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Old 10-08-2014, 01:21
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Back in 2003-2006 there was the on-going gangster storyline with Johnny Allen, Jack Dalton. Andy Hunter etc. Phil and Grant Mitchel was also present at the times too.

With the Lucy Murder Storyline on-going till the 30th anniversary, it would be cool if there was a gangster storyline again.

There could be several ways that can spawn a storyline:

1) Carl White is alive scenario: EastEnders could pull a Dirty Den on Carl White, he could be blacked out by the car boot hitting him in his head then when the car is about to be crushed he managed to escape somehow. When Ben returns, months later he gets kidnapped by a random encounter, Phil then searches for him and find Carl brother Adam holding Ben hostage, then slowly appearing out of the shadow is Carl White then doof doof.

2) Liam Gangs: Kane could return with vengeance, he will probably be after Liam then somehow encounters with Phil, Kane is working for a new gangster boss and deals drugs amongst the street, the new boss could be a new character too.

or anything completely new with new set of characters.

It would be cool to see some returns in the next years too like:
- Sean Slater
- Ryan Maloy
- Grant Mitchel
- Dan Sullivan

how amazing would it be if all these returns interact with each other, the tension and drama, and having Nick Cotton would make it very cool too.
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Old 10-08-2014, 07:15
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While I do feel that the show could do with another baddie, I don't want us to go back to having gangs and a return for Kane would be ludicrous.
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Old 10-08-2014, 19:05
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Once upon a time EE was the best at doing gangster storylines, but now they're completely laughable (If Liam's gang storyline is anything to go by!) so I would advise against doing anymore until they recruit some new writers who are more suited to writing "crime" storylines. I would love to see a crime storyline in EE like Ross and Donna's in Emmerdale. 15 years ago EE would've done a storyline like that.
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Old 10-08-2014, 19:09
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I think it might be nice for a baddie to be in, however I don't want them to go back to the days of gangsters.
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Old 10-08-2014, 19:31
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No thanks.

Besides, any so-called tough gangster would end up bowing down to Phil, anyhow ."yawns"
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Old 10-08-2014, 19:33
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No. People whined about them and now they're finally gone they want them back.

I wouldn't mind seeing gangster stories, if done properly, bringing something like The Firm back.

But Liam's gang? Carl White? No, these are the sorts of things that made EE attempts at "gangsters" laughable.
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Old 10-08-2014, 19:36
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Id like Aleks to have a shady past with some Latvian mob and they show up.
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Old 10-08-2014, 19:44
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I say bring back The Firm, or something like that
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Old 10-08-2014, 20:00
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One thing I think the characters of Johnny Allen and Andy Hunter taught us was that gangsters don't work as full-time characters who live on the Square. They need to be outsiders who appear from time to time in the Square to create some danger and action on the show. That's why Jack Dalton worked and why Johnny initially worked before he moved to the Square. Viewers just can't relate to gangsters, that's why they don't work as regulars and they tend to get softened up too much once they move to the Square. Derek and Carl were just laughable attempts to recreate these characters and failed miserably, so I hope EE have learnt their lesson with these types of characters.
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Old 10-08-2014, 20:09
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I thought Andy Hunter worked well, even on the square.

Johnny was ruined by his dullard daughter which turned him soft, something even the actor complained about.
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Old 10-08-2014, 20:10
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No thanks.

Besides, any so-called tough gangster would end up bowing down to Phil, anyhow ."yawns"
I'm already asleep!
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Old 10-08-2014, 20:23
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No, I hate gangster storylines with a passion
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Old 10-08-2014, 20:44
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There was an episode I remember when Johnny went over to Dot's house to drink tea and biscuits. And I just thought to myself, is this really why they moved Johnny the Gangster to the Square? He got softened up too much to fit into the Square (Ruby of course didn't help!). And then he began feuding with a small-time thug like Phil, in reality he would've had Phil's kneecaps broken and that would've been the end of that. He even let Phil get away with paying Jules to take Ruby's virginity away and did nothing about it .

Although at times Johnny could be pretty terrifying like the time he threw Andy off the bridge. But other times he showed himself to be no better than a sad little bully like Phil by attacking helpless women like Sharon and Peggy. Ultimately I thought Johnny's potential was wasted. I think he would've been better served as a recurring character who appeared every now and then to scare a few residents like Phil/the Mitchells.
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Old 10-08-2014, 20:46
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Jake Moon should return as the new head of the Firm. What we don't know was that he was given an ultimatum - rejoin the Firm or die. Obviously he chose the former and has slower made his way up the ranks.

This would also open up a future return for Chrissie who perhaps has already gotten off thanks to a dodgy Firm brief - perhaps Marcus Christie?

It's not beyond the realms of imagination to believe one of Marcus' current clients could be Jake Moon and what Sharon doesn't know is that bringing Phil down, she is allowing a greater threat (both personally and otherwise) to take over.
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Old 10-08-2014, 21:21
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The Steve Owen days seem to have been fantastic!
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Old 10-08-2014, 22:07
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God no, that was the start of a slippery soap, err slope
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Old 10-08-2014, 22:14
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There was an episode I remember when Johnny went over to Dot's house to drink tea and biscuits. And I just thought to myself, is this really why they moved Johnny the Gangster to the Square? He got softened up too much to fit into the Square (Ruby of course didn't help!). And then he began feuding with a small-time thug like Phil, in reality he would've had Phil's kneecaps broken and that would've been the end of that. He even let Phil get away with paying Jules to take Ruby's virginity away and did nothing about it .

Although at times Johnny could be pretty terrifying like the time he threw Andy off the bridge. But other times he showed himself to be no better than a sad little bully like Phil by attacking helpless women like Sharon and Peggy. Ultimately I thought Johnny's potential was wasted. I think he would've been better served as a recurring character who appeared every now and then to scare a few residents like Phil/the Mitchells.
Once Philth returned TPTB were weeping in terror at the thought of him being bested - so Johnny just like every other hardcase/gangster character that Philth ever gets involved with was softened to a preposterous degree.

This is why I do not want another gangster on the square because one grunt from Philth and a savage cold-blooded murderer would be on his knees crying like a baby.

No thanks.
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Old 10-08-2014, 22:19
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There was an episode I remember when Johnny went over to Dot's house to drink tea and biscuits. And I just thought to myself, is this really why they moved Johnny the Gangster to the Square? He got softened up too much to fit into the Square (Ruby of course didn't help!). And then he began feuding with a small-time thug like Phil, in reality he would've had Phil's kneecaps broken and that would've been the end of that. He even let Phil get away with paying Jules to take Ruby's virginity away and did nothing about it .

Although at times Johnny could be pretty terrifying like the time he threw Andy off the bridge. But other times he showed himself to be no better than a sad little bully like Phil by attacking helpless women like Sharon and Peggy. Ultimately I thought Johnny's potential was wasted. I think he would've been better served as a recurring character who appeared every now and then to scare a few residents like Phil/the Mitchells.
Totally agree TK. That Dot scene would only have worked if she gave him a Chinese burn and whispered "Where's my 40% you slaaaaag?"

And realistically he would have cut Juley's goolies off and fed them to Phil for what they did to Ruby. No gangster worth his salt would have let that one go. As you say a recurring villain would have been great. Jack Dalton for me. The actor was great and genuinely creepy.
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Old 10-08-2014, 22:30
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Totally agree TK. That Dot scene would only have worked if she gave him a Chinese burn and whispered "Where's my 40% you slaaaaag?"

And realistically he would have cut Juley's goolies off and fed them to Phil for what they did to Ruby. No gangster worth his salt would have let that one go. As you say a recurring villain would have been great. Jack Dalton for me. The actor was great and genuinely creepy.
Jack would soon have been terrified of Philth - the pathetic TPTB would have made damn sure of that.
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Old 10-08-2014, 22:40
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Jack would soon have been terrified of Philth - the pathetic TPTB would have made damn sure of that.
He wasn't though, he had Phil sweating like a virgin in Max's house.
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Old 10-08-2014, 22:49
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He wasn't though, he had Phil sweating like a virgin in Max's house.
When was that?

I cannot remember.
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Old 10-08-2014, 22:53
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When was that?

I cannot remember.
When Phil had a debt to him, can't remember why, and he ordered Phil to kill Dennis, otherwise he would kill Kate.
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Old 10-08-2014, 22:58
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When Phil had a debt to him, can't remember why, and he ordered Phil to kill Dennis, otherwise he would kill Kate.
Yeah but Philth stood up to him in the office and Jack told him he had more bottle than Grant - then he went and 'owned' Dennis so yet again Philth was made to look 'super-hard'.
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Old 11-08-2014, 12:57
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yeh i agree
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Old 11-08-2014, 13:04
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The last thing EastEnders needs is yet another stupid gangster storyline.
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