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John Paul calling Ste sweetheart
Does anyone else think this sounded a little...weird?
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Yes I thought so too....
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If Ste is his boyfriend, why shouldn't he call him sweetheart?
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Aww I love it
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If Ste is his boyfriend, why shouldn't he call him sweetheart?
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It just sounds a little odd. I'm a gay man myself, but I don't think I would ever call another guy a sweetheart, nor would I want to be. Some terms of endearment sound better coming out of a woman's mouth!
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JP called Kieron, kris and nana sweetheart as well, so it's not new
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I'm just watching the omnibus now and he's said it three times so far. Each time I thought it was weird and i'm also a gay man myself
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JP called Kieron, kris and nana sweetheart as well, so it's not new
I don't particularly like it, but it's just something that he does (or maybe it's something James Sutton does.... I happened to see an Emmerdale video, and his character Ryan called Maisie sweetheart, in a casual way LOL), so I'm not too bothered by it. |
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I think a couple of people have mentioned before that JP has always said that, but I don't remember it, which surprises me because I have found it very jarring whenever he has said it to Ste. It just doesn't sound like 'natural' language between those two. A bit like when Ste said to JP a while ago, 'Why are you being so cryptic?' That just would not be what Ste would naturally say. He would more likely have said 'Why are you being so weird?' Sometimes HO are really bad at natural-sounding dialogue.
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Sweetheart has always sounded a little patronising to me regardless of who says it and to who. I imagine someone's sweetheart would be someone's long term companion whereas jp and ste have only been a couple for three weeks. Ste doesn't look like a sweetheart to me - he's kind of feral and spikey-looking. Nana is cuddly and Barbara Cartland-like and much more like a sweetheart.
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I think it was odd sounding, especially seeing as he was banging Ste's Dad a few months ago.
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I didn't like it. It sounded a bit weird and creepy.
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JP's not a mincing, over the top gaydo like Sean Tully or Graham Norton so it's a bit strange hearing him say it.
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I think it is the frequency of it which is jarring. The first time I noticed him saying it on Tuesday straight after Danny had died I thought it was cute, touching and appropriate in the circumstances but the next day when he called him nothing but (including shouting it out across the street I think) and never using his actual name it seemed odd!
I've known plenty of men (straight and gay) that use the term as an endearment but that is what it is, to be used sparingly as an endearment to denote affection and closEness - not all the time! The one man that used a term of endearment to me all the time (darling) I just began to think he didn't actually know my name and I was just one of many women he was seeing!!!! |
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I do also agree with whoever said that it's partly that it just doesn't seem to fit Ste's character to be Addressed in that way. I quite often use terms like darling, sweetheart, honey to friends as well as lovers but seem people don't like it (in the same way some don't like having their names shortened) so I hold off with them and often you don't need to be told - it's just a 'sense' of them. So, Hannah seemed like the type of person that would appreciate her boyfriend calling her sweetheart - Ste doesn't really.
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Haha
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I do also agree with whoever said that it's partly that it just doesn't seem to fit Ste's character to be Addressed in that way. I quite often use terms like darling, sweetheart, honey to friends as well as lovers but seem people don't like it (in the same way some don't like having their names shortened) so I hold off with them and often you don't need to be told - it's just a 'sense' of them. So, Hannah seemed like the type of person that would appreciate her boyfriend calling her sweetheart - Ste doesn't really.
Anyway, I wish the writers/James/whoever is responsible would drop it!! |
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Sweetheart has always sounded a little patronising to me regardless of who says it and to who. I imagine someone's sweetheart would be someone's long term companion whereas jp and ste have only been a couple for three weeks. Ste doesn't look like a sweetheart to me - he's kind of feral and spikey-looking. Nana is cuddly and Barbara Cartland-like and much more like a sweetheart.
But generally, it kind of has to be earned if that makes sense and i'm not sure we've seen enough of JP and Ste for that to be the case. Though he was saying he loved him this week so.... |
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This thread is a mess. Just awash with stereotypes.
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JP would have never dreamt of calling Craig sweetheart (he would have been punched in return, I reckon), and they had a much deeper bond.... so why are they making him call Ste that???
The only other romantic partner he called sweetheart was Kieron... but I can see him and Kieron having the kind of (cringeworthy) relationship were they call each other sweetheart and other endearing nicknames. But that's it, he never called any of his other romantic partners sweetheart, only friends/family. So why this insistence with calling Ste sweetheart, when their relationship is very new?? ![]() Probably because they want us to believe that they are so much in love without making the effort of showing us... |
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This thread is a mess. Just awash with stereotypes.
ETA' there was one comment I thought was borderline but that was more about 'types' of gay men than saying that men shouldn't use affectionate names towards each other. |
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JP's not a mincing, over the top gaydo like Sean Tully or Graham Norton so it's a bit strange hearing him say it.
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JP would have never dreamt of calling Craig sweetheart (he would have been punched in return, I reckon), and they had a much deeper bond.... so why are they making him call Ste that???
The only other romantic partner he called sweetheart was Kieron... but I can see him and Kieron having the kind of (cringeworthy) relationship were they call each other sweetheart and other endearing nicknames. But that's it, he never called any of his other romantic partners sweetheart, only friends/family. So why this insistence with calling Ste sweetheart, when their relationship is very new?? ![]() Probably because they want us to believe that they are so much in love without making the effort of showing us... |
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This thread is a mess. Just awash with stereotypes.
. It's full of sexism and homophobia.
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