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I'll just ask a couple of further questions for everybody before revealing the results. The last requirement of the task was the promotional plans, this was kind of the pinnacle of the task so how did you go about choosing what to do for this part? Also, for the task as a whole where did you get your ideas from? Was there much prior knowledge brought or did this task require lots of research? Did you involve market research into any aspects of your task, and if so how did you go about doing that? |
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I'll just ask a couple of further questions for everybody before revealing the results. The last requirement of the task was the promotional plans, this was kind of the pinnacle of the task so how did you go about choosing what to do for this part? Also, for the task as a whole where did you get your ideas from? Was there much prior knowledge brought or did this task require lots of research? Did you involve market research into any aspects of your task, and if so how did you go about doing that? With the task, a lot of research had gone in from my end. Music isn't really my forte, so i had to research a lot of indie and lesser known artists to fit the bill we were looking for. I don't think we considered market research and i think we really should have as it would have given us a more broad view on it. |
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I'll just ask a couple of further questions for everybody before revealing the results. The last requirement of the task was the promotional plans, this was kind of the pinnacle of the task so how did you go about choosing what to do for this part? Also, for the task as a whole where did you get your ideas from? Was there much prior knowledge brought or did this task require lots of research? Did you involve market research into any aspects of your task, and if so how did you go about doing that? In addition, Roxie had asked me to look into social media, magazines and websites such as Digital Spy. I wrote quite a bit about social media and magazines (I researched and found some good music magazines that are popular in our target countries) so I think that was pretty much covered. I found websites a bit more difficult, and Roxie added a bit to my paragraph on that, but I did find a list of entertainment websites besides Digital Spy this morning, which I submitted. I can't remember if any of them were used in the final pitch. |
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Yes so like I said before, I had done extensive market research asking 15 members of DS questions about what aspects of the concert people enjoy, as well as asking questions about how we could possibly improve Hurts chances at doing well in Eurovision, where we have gone wrong in previous years and how they normally find out about Eurovision acts and Eurovision-related events.
These last 3 questions were particularly informative because it identified key areas which, along with findings from online research, we should focus on for our promotional campaign by identifying how we can market Hurts more efficiently, how we can improve on past failings and what are the usual mediums for finding out about everyone's entries for Eurovision. Thus I immediately said social media, European specific magazines and online European specific websites/forums would definitely be a good starting point for our advertising campaign. George then came up with a few more suggestions such as Youtube interactivity. I then said we should also promote in popular music festivals such as Rock am Ring and also conducting interviews. One of my findings from the internet is that one of the reasons behind Conchita doing so well was her likable personality which people saw from interviews so I thought that this would also be a fantastic way of marketing Hurts on European music/entertainment channels like E! and MTV Europe. I also think Hurts are incredibly likeable with down-to-earth and witty personalities so this would only benefit them. Iain also suggested more intimate venues such as bars as one person said they find crowded, huge venues a turn off. Again this would only benefit Hurts because of the type of artist that they are. Overall I think George, Iain and I came up with a good range of ways to promote Hurts across Europe using market research and online research. |
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Well, it was actually two tasks ago, but that's a moot point.
Maybe I could have redeemed myself with the poster, but it would be a massive gamble. Designing posters is not my strong point - I knew that on Task 4, which was why I was a little surprised that Zak delegated it to me, but I did my best with it and I failed, which caused a big issue with my campaign. If I'd put myself forward to do it this time, I could have redeemed that for myself, but only if I had managed to make a really good poster, and I didn't think that I would be able to do one better than someone like Roxie. I felt that if I wanted to show you what I can do, it would be better to play to my strengths than to my weaknesses, as overall the intention is to win the task, and if I did the poster, failed and we lost because of it, that would put me in a very dangerous position. Lord Sugar has said to numerous candidates over the years, 'Will you stick to what you bloody know?' and that is what I did. Having said that, I appreciate that a big part of this process is about glory-hunting for oneself over and above helping the team, so possibly it would have done better for me to have gone down that route. I just felt that overall, I would be more impressive by focussing on my strengths. But I will take what you say on board, and if I am still here on the next task maybe I'll try to design a poster for that, if you particularly want to see me design a poster. I see what you're saying in terms of sticking to what you do best, but at the end of the day the winning candidate will need to excel in all areas as evident by the final task where you will be expected to display all necessary skills yourself. From personal experience in this particular game, I had never done anything graphically design related before but I tried it in the last few tasks and was much better than I expected, so it could have possibly been the same for you. I was just slightly disappointed when you passed on doing it especially as it was asked of you...
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I see what you're saying in terms of sticking to what you do best, but at the end of the day the winning candidate will need to excel in all areas as evident by the final task where you will be expected to display all necessary skills yourself. From personal experience in this particular game, I had never done anything graphically design related before but I tried it in the last few tasks and was much better than I expected, so it could have possibly been the same for you. I was just slightly disappointed when you passed on doing it especially as it was asked of you... |
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Aptitude, on the whole I think what your produced this task was very good, I liked lots of your promotional ideas especially the ones including twitter and social media. I also think you had the right idea in terms of choosing Natalia as your artist. There were a few faults with your pitch, however, in terms of your idea not to do a proper concert for Natalia and your misinterpretation of the brief in some aspects. Also, I feel like at times you could have been more explicit in promoting Natalia as an artist for Eurovision rather than just promoting her as an artist.
Inspired, I also think you produced a good pitch, clearly lots of detail and thought had gone into it and you really did seem to thoroughly think how to improve on previous disappointing results for the UK in Eurovision. Also, whilst Hurts wouldn't have been the first act I would have picked for this task, I feel it was a good choice all in all and you justified your decision well. There were a few problems with your pitch as I have stated before, and also I feel like you could have maybe put in a bit more detail in your promotional part of the pitch considering how important a part of the task it was, I feel it was a bit more vague than I was hoping with. I must stress that we were very impressed with both teams this task and this was by far the closest task so far, but we have made a decision and the winners of this task are.. |
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Team Inspired.
Congratulations, on the whole I think you produced an excellent pitch in which you clearly addressed how you would assure to get a better result for the UK in Eurovision this task which was really what the task was all about. Hurts was also a brilliant choice for this task, and I could definitely imagine a performance like 'Somebody To Die For' standing out in the Eurovision finals. Despite the few issues I mentioned, I was very impressed with what you produced this task and also with how you worked as a team. Also Roxie, from what I've heard it sounds like you did a great job as both a leader and a team member so well done for that! You may now leave the boardroom. |
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Team Inspired. Congratulations, on the whole I think you produced an excellent pitch in which you clearly addressed how you would assure to get a better result for the UK in Eurovision this task which was really what the task was all about. Hurts was also a brilliant choice for this task, and I could definitely imagine a performance like 'Somebody To Die For' standing out in the Eurovision finals. Despite the few issues I mentioned, I was very impressed with what you produced this task and also with how you worked as a team. Also Roxie, from what I've heard it sounds like you did a great job as both a leader and a team member so well done for that! You may now leave the boardroom. Good luck to Arran and the rest of Aptitude. |
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Congratulations Roxie and Inspired.
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I honestly cannot believe it...Thank you Lord Sugar for seeing potential in our act and for your kind words. I do apologize if Iain felt sidelined on that last day because as everyone knows I would hate to do that to someone so he should have said something to me and I could involved him more with the poster etc. I think he and George did a fantastic job to be honest so well deserved. Thank you again Lord Sugar!
![]() Good luck to Aptitude - I really liked your promotional campaign and Natalia Kills as an artist so you did a great job too. Good luck to you all!
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Congratss Roxie! x3 Happy for youu :*
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Aptitude, I don't feel like your efforts this task were particularly bad, but obviously Inspired pipped you to the post and a loss is a loss.
What do you think went wrong? |
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Aptitude, I don't feel like your efforts this task were particularly bad, but obviously Inspired pipped you to the post and a loss is a loss. What do you think went wrong? |
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Aptitude, I don't feel like your efforts this task were particularly bad, but obviously Inspired pipped you to the post and a loss is a loss. What do you think went wrong? |
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Apart from the things I've already mentioned such as the poster and the concert, I think lots of it came down to the fact that reading your pitch it felt sometimes like it was more about promoting Natalia as an artist rather than promoting her as a Eurovision representative, this was most clear in the opening part of the pitch and also the part about PR in the UK which wasn't really necessary considering the UK wouldn't get to vote for her. I feel like Inspired got the heart of this task better than you, I felt like reading their pitch I really had a good idea of how they would be able to turn around the disastrous results from the UK with Hurts and I couldn't really say the same for you.
Do you have anything to say regarding this? |
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I agree with Naruto, there was too much focus on the song and I think that the underlying assumption that Arran based his strategy on was that the artistic integrity of the performance combined with Natalia's talent could be enough to turn this around.
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I agree with Naruto, there was too much focus on the song and I think that the underlying assumption that Arran based his strategy on was that the artistic integrity of the performance combined with Natalia's talent could be enough to turn this around.
This does appear to have been an issue with your team for this task, were you all completely sold on Natalia as an artist or was it mostly Arran pushing her? Would you say Arran is to blame for this over focus on the act?
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This does appear to have been an issue with your team for this task, were you all completely sold on Natalia as an artist or was it mostly Arran pushing her? Would you say Arran is to blame for this over focus on the act? |
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Hmm, you do both seem to be putting a lot of the blame on Arran which is understandable as he was the project manager but at the same time I don't think the loss of the task can be completely responsibly for the loss of the task, you were both there on the team as well and could have surely put more effort in to prevent him from going with some of the aspects of the pitch that lost you the task? I expect you to show that kind of initiative at this stage, even if you are not the PM.
Arran, you seem to have gone quiet, are you still here? What do you have to say regarding this? |
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This does appear to have been an issue with your team for this task, were you all completely sold on Natalia as an artist or was it mostly Arran pushing her? Would you say Arran is to blame for this over focus on the act? I found this out when i came onto Skype as Arran had already sent me a PM saying the final decision was Kyla and a different song, only for it to be changed again so i do feel there was a sense of indecisiveness upon his part. |
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Moving on to you as candidates, can all three of you tell me what exactly you feel you contributed to this task, and who you would say deserves to be fired?
Arran, you're in a vulnerable position as PM here so if you're here, you definitely need to speak up. |
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Hmm, you do both seem to be putting a lot of the blame on Arran which is understandable as he was the project manager but at the same time I don't think the loss of the task can be completely responsibly for the loss of the task, you were both there on the team as well and could have surely put more effort in to prevent him from going with some of the aspects of the pitch that lost you the task? I expect you to show that kind of initiative at this stage, even if you are not the PM. Arran, you seem to have gone quiet, are you still here? What do you have to say regarding this? He's not completely 100% responsible for the loss, but he has the lion's share of the responsibility. Honestly, EuroVision is a foreign concept to me, I've never seen it, I don't know what it's about, and that's because I live in Lebanon. So, I had to spend the first day just researching what it was about, and I didn't feel like I had as much knowledge as them in that regard. I don't know why the British artists have been doing so poorly, neither do I have some background knowledge on local British artists besides maybe huge stars like Adele, Amy Winehouse, Kylie, Ed Sheeran, One Direction etc which would not have helped in this task. So, instead of getting involved in an area that I knew these two gentlemen had more information about, I simply offered my opinion as a listener, and I was ready to take on any task that he had given to me. The losing points were the focus on the song, which I really do blame primarily on Arran because he was hell-bent on choosing an Artist/Song that would appeal to the mass without regards to some of the other more important criteria maybe that have led to Britain's losses. Also, the tour issue, as I mentioned before i knew that you didn't like having Natalia open for Katy, was not my idea. Naruto and I expressed discomfort at the decision, but he thought it was the best possible choice. We could not have possibly overruled the project manager. We pitched in and expressed our opinions. I also expressed any criticisms I had and offered solutions when I could, like with the performance, and the lack of social media in the PR. I really tried to cover the holes in our pitch that I knew of, but at the end of the day, our Project Manager persisted in some aspects that led to our loss (even when we tried to sound our dissatisfaction) and there were simply other mistakes that I didn't really know of because of the lack of knowledge concerning EuroVision, and I trusted my PM to know what he was doing in that regard. |
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Moving on to you as candidates, can all three of you tell me what exactly you feel you contributed to this task, and who you would say deserves to be fired? Arran, you're in a vulnerable position as PM here so if you're here, you definitely need to speak up. I feel i contributed a lot to this task as i was a main factor in the brainstorm process, which did require a lot of research from myself. Two of the artists from the three we had shortlisted were mine so it can be shown that I did give some good ideas even though they were not used. The whole team was happy with the pitches i had written and there were no major criticisms for them. I ultimately think Arran should be fired. There was nothing majorly wrong with our pitch, therefore i feel it comes down to the small details that we did wrong and the wrong emphasis we did with the artist. I think at the end of the day, this comes down to the Project Manager for not using the time efficiently and mis-organisation of the time from Day 1. |
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Moving on to you as candidates, can all three of you tell me what exactly you feel you contributed to this task, and who you would say deserves to be fired? Arran, you're in a vulnerable position as PM here so if you're here, you definitely need to speak up. As for who should be fired, I would say the Project Manager because he, not only showed great indecisiveness, but also because of the lack of organization on his part, and finally, most of the mistakes that you have mentioned fall upon his shoulder and his shoulder only. Not to mention that if you want to look at our journey to get to this point, Naruto and myself have been stronger than Arran. |
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