I know who Lucy's Killer/s will be

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Padger86

13-08-2014

Originally Posted by vald:
“I've always thought that it could be Masood and that Shabnam helped him. I don't think it was deliberate, he just wanted to impress Jane by helping Lucy and something went wrong.
Shabnam took the card out of the bin and did not hand it over to the police...has she kept it as insurance in case they get close.”

Not a bad theory. I still think Jane is involved somehow

Mr Patrick

13-08-2014

Originally Posted by Padger86:
“Ok guys so here it is. After watching the episode she dies and the aftermath episode, followed by the funeral episode etc. I am certain the killer will be Jane and Masood.

Lucy's final episode showed Masood staring at her and wondering if he should approach her and say something.

The aftermath episode showed that Jane knew something had happened before Ian broke the news.

Jane and Masood shared a moment at the funeral in the car which I felt meant a lot more than we are led to believe.

I also want to point out that Jane had no confrontation with Lucy after she found out about the drugs and I believe she went to speak to her that night and something bad happened. Jane and Lucy also have a history with an abortion etc that happened the same year as the 25th anniversary. Of course we will get a lot of twists and turns between now and then with Jay etc but I am confident this will be the final Result.”

I hardly dought it very much because do you remember a few weeks back when lucy phone and wallet was buried. Well if you heard that then you would know that the killer heard Ian shout out to billy to hand over her belongings which is why the killer buried the phone. How can Jane hear that when she isn't even in the square. I dought massood killed her.

Padger86

13-08-2014

Originally Posted by Mr Patrick:
“I hardly dought it very much because do you remember a few weeks back when lucy phone and wallet was buried. Well if you heard that then you would know that the killer heard Ian shout out to billy to hand over her belongings which is why the killer buried the phone. How can Jane hear that when she isn't even in the square. I dought massood killed her.”

Because whoever buried the phone and wallet was not the person who killed her..

maccaz9z

13-08-2014

really like the Massood theory, really like the 80/1 paddy power are offering too

monsters_wild

13-08-2014

Hopefully it's Ian.

There's a delicious opportunity for somebody else to be put away for it, only for the episode to end with Ian at home, head in hands, camera pans in and up to his face, he drops he's hand to give us a big smug smile and a knowing glace.

Imagine us, the audience and Ian being the only ones that know. Now there is a dynamic changing forever.

DreamHaven

13-08-2014

Spoiler

When Lucy gets off the bus she is meeting someone, Jay is meeting up with Ben who lives in that same area, thats why it shows he's off the bus too, Jay gets very nervous later this week when he see's the CCTV footage because it will link him to the Lucy murder and he tries to cover his tracks by destroying his clothes he was wearing, Lucy goes to see Steven Beale, who also lives in that area too so she can get more crack with he is now a dealer in.

Once she retrieve the drugs she goes off home but soon realizes she left her phone. when she goes back she see's Nick Cotton, Charlie Cotton talking to Steven Beale, she get's her phone and Nick starts to question Steven about supplying drugs to Lucy as it being a risk in his drug dealing business, steven says it's ok and nothing bad will happen and Lucy gets scared and takes here phone and runs off, the Nick and Charlie start running after her, as she is running she bumps into Lee and asks him to help him as she is in a dangerous situation, Lee offers to help and tells her to hide behind some bins,

Nick and Charlie lose Lucy and continue searching else where, then lucy comes out of hiding and thanks Lee, Lee asks lucy to come back to the party and she says she's not in the mood, so Lucy goes off and Lee goes back to the party, whilst Lucy is on the way back to the square she realizes her drugs have fallen out of her pocket and starts to panic, Lucy then sneaks into the caff and only to see Jane inside, Jane tries to comfort lucy and she tells her everything thats happened, Jane is shocked and offers to help her by letter he stay with Christian and Syed in the meantime, she then says ok and Jane asks Masood if he can drop her off there, Masood accepts,

Masood lets Lucy inside his car and then says to Jane don't worry ill sort this and take to Christians, whilst masood drives off with lucy he then stops at a random place outside Walford, he then says 'please get out', Lucy then gets confused and asks 'whats going on?!', he gets out the car and then Nick and Charlie appear, Ben Mitchel comes to her rescue as he spots them (this is sometime after he met with Jay) and grabs her arm and runs with her away, Nick and Charlie threaten Masood stating the dangers of their business, and Masood is revealed to be apart the the drug dealing, Jane then rings Masood to ask if Lucy is ok, then Masood says to Jane that she jumped out of the car and ran away, Jane is shocked and gets in her car,

Lucy says bye to Ben as she goes on her way back to her house, just as a key drops out of her pocket, it was a key to Aleks and Jakes flat, then remembering Lucy hid a stash of cocaine under Jakes bed, she then goes into the flat though someone is watching her enter, she goes under Jakes bed and retrieves the coke, then someone walks in attack lucy with a hammer, and her blood is left on the wall, her body is then somehow dragged into the walford commons.

Jane feels guilty in the aftermath of her death because she feels responsible and could of done more to help, she questions Masood off screen about what happened and Masood says that Lucy went crazy and ran off to find drugs. During the funeral Jane and Masood feels bad, but Masood feels like he made a big mistake.

Masood knows Nick is alive and has kept it secret until October when Masood gets drunk in the pub and blurts it out.

Ben will return end of September for Sharon and Phil's Wedding

Jay has told Ben to stay away from the square so he will not get sent down for being linked.

the big plot twist end of this year (November) is Masood is a drug dealer and Tamwar find stashes of drugs inside their house and then Masood commits suicide (surprise death). - but then revealed he was murdered and it was set up to look he killed himself.

Ronnie, Aleks, Max, Jay, Ben are all red herrings and this year will make people keep thinkings its them.

olivej

13-08-2014

why would Jane kill Lucy? she has just invested thousands in Ians restaurant, she wouldnt be able to look him in the face if she had, let alone work with him

Peter also guessed that something had happened before Ian said anything - the whole pub guessed something very bad had happened just by the look on Ians face

Masood is a possibility.............. he has a darker side that would be good to explore but murder? Im not sure

I still think Aleks is involved somehow (drug dealer maybe, making extra cash to send back to his family) and Cindy

GeekInfected

13-08-2014

I've heard better. Not worth the indulgent thread. Not bad though

0...0

13-08-2014

Tracy! What are the odds on Tracy?!,
Good theory though, I enjoyed reading it.

Padger86

13-08-2014

It was an accident I am sure they didn't mean to kill her. Masood killing her alone would not have the dramatic affect that Jane and masood would have.

james_killroy

13-08-2014

Jane did not kill Lucy.

Padger86

13-08-2014

Originally Posted by james_killroy:
“Jane did not kill Lucy.”

Well, if it was Ian then why was he calling her the next day? even when he was alone? Peter also had a drink waiting for her in the Vic. So it would not make sense for it to be any of them. Jane is the next closest thing.

james_killroy

13-08-2014

Originally Posted by Padger86:
“Well, if it was Ian then why was he calling her the next day? even when he was alone? Peter also had a drink waiting for her in the Vic. So it would not make sense for it to be any of them. Jane is the next closest thing.”

It wasn't Ian or Jane.

PieFace63

13-08-2014

If you killed someone close to you and stop ringing them after the time they're thought to be dead, it's an obvious giveaway. Ian could have continued to ring her even after killing her because it shows on her call log that Ian was trying to ring her, giving the impression that he didn't know where she was. That being said, I don't think he killed her. I really don't think Peter killed her, it's not something that fits to me. He's not that type of character in my opinion. He felt horribly guilty about his friends death in Devon that he had no control over.

I really don't think Jane killed Lucy, it would be like killing her own and I don't think she would have the balls it takes to keep it a secret. I like it being Masood, though, I don't think he would intentionally do anything but I think he would keep it a secret if something happened accidentally.

olivej

13-08-2014

I honestly dont think its Ian, Peter or Jane

I just cant see them killing Lucy, accidentially or not

PieFace63

13-08-2014

Not to mention, if Lucy's body was dragged to the common, i think it's less likely. It's one thing to accidentally kill her and walk off but another to drag the body away and lie from the start. If it were one of them, I think it would be a case of they accidentally hit her round the head, she falls down, they realise she's dead and run away in disbelief, not knowing what to do. If they dragged the body, the culprit in question would realise they killed her and made the decision there and then to never tell anyone and attempt to get away with it.

lovinglife

13-08-2014

Very nice thinking, to be fair. My first thought after I saw the Good Friday episode was: Massood did it. Simply because in that episode he asked Jane why she was always with Ian and his kids- this was when they were both still together, I believe. But, having it being both Massood and Jane, now that would make a great storyline. I'm not too sure that Massood(or Jane) would have it in him(her), although, Nitin did say that he hopes Massood's darker path would continue, so, watch this space...

lovinglife (much to GeekInfected's disgust)
Last edited by lovinglife : 13-08-2014 at 21:45

lou_123

13-08-2014

I have been very suspicious of Masood from day one, your theory is not bad at all, him trying to help out ian at that resteraunt, disappearing for ages, having a darker side, it makes sense!!!

BumbleSquat

13-08-2014

I still believe it's Ronnie/Charlie. There was that ambiguous exchange with her and Charlie in the Vic in the Good Friday episode. If I recall correctly, he followed her out of the pub too. I just found it an odd thing to include in the episode when they haven't even shared scenes together since (not to my recollection anyway).

My theory is that on the night they killed Lucy and dumped her body on the common, they both decided to keep their distance from each other to avoid any suspicion. However, Ronnie, as we know, is pregnant. She's left Walford now and I think that's because she doesn't want Charlie getting ''involved'' because of their big secret.

Also, if you think about Charlie and his first appearance in the show - he was with a ''police officer'' who broke the news to Dot about Nick's death. Who also happened to be there at the time - Ronnie!

Then there's the moving of Lucy's body to the common and dumping it there. Out of everyone on the show, I don't think any character would have the cold, calculated mindset to do that apart from Ronnie (we don't even know Charlie and what he's really capable of yet). We know Ronnie killed Carl and coldly watched him getting crushed in the boot of that car on New Year's Day.

Then there's the drugs. I think Lucy was getting them from Ronnie or Charlie. Remember it was Carl who supplied Roxy with cocaine after Christmas - Ronnie found out and was furious. I don't think she'd think twice about dealing now, anything is now possible with her. She's murdered someone and covered it up in cold blood - the character is now completely unpredictable.

Remember Ronnie, Carl and all that business with his phone? She basically dumped crucial evidence in Phil's hands and left him to it. Now remember there's also a gun that she dumped in the same place. It has Sharon and Linda's prints all over it. That's probably what was used to kill Lucy - a blow to the head with a gun. Phil and Sharon know she killed Carl and have kept quiet for her. But imagine the guilt and devastation they'd feel, especially Sharon, having kept a secret and therefore allowed her to kill again.

It would be a very clever way of bringing together Ian, Sharon and Dot together for the big 30th storyline.

Jay, Billy etc. are all just red herrings.

doormouse1

13-08-2014

Originally Posted by BumbleSquat:
“I still believe it's Ronnie/Charlie. There was that ambiguous exchange with her and Charlie in the Vic in the Good Friday episode. If I recall correctly, he followed her out of the pub too. I just found it an odd thing to include in the episode when they haven't even shared scenes together since (not to my recollection anyway).

My theory is that on the night they killed Lucy and dumped her body on the common, they both decided to keep their distance from each other to avoid any suspicion. However, Ronnie, as we know, is pregnant. She's left Walford now and I think that's because she doesn't want Charlie getting ''involved'' because of their big secret.

Also, if you think about Charlie and his first appearance in the show - he was with a ''police officer'' who broke the news to Dot about Nick's death. Who also happened to be there at the time - Ronnie!

Then there's the moving of Lucy's body to the common and dumping it there. Out of everyone on the show, I don't think any character would have the cold, calculated mindset to do that apart from Ronnie (we don't even know Charlie and what he's really capable of yet). We know Ronnie killed Carl and coldly watched him getting crushed in the boot of that car on New Year's Day.

Then there's the drugs. I think Lucy was getting them from Ronnie or Charlie. Remember it was Carl who supplied Roxy with cocaine after Christmas - Ronnie found out and was furious. I don't think she'd think twice about dealing now, anything is now possible with her. She's murdered someone and covered it up in cold blood - the character is now completely unpredictable.

Remember Ronnie, Carl and all that business with his phone? She basically dumped crucial evidence in Phil's hands and left him to it. Now remember there's also a gun that she dumped in the same place. It has Sharon and Linda's prints all over it. That's probably what was used to kill Lucy - a blow to the head with a gun. Phil and Sharon know she killed Carl and have kept quiet for her. But imagine the guilt and devastation they'd feel, especially Sharon, having kept a secret and therefore allowed her to kill again.

It would be a very clever way of bringing together Ian, Sharon and Dot together for the big 30th storyline.

Jay, Billy etc. are all just red herrings.”

Also, the bus CCTV shows a woman with long straight blonde hair also getting onto that bus. It looks a lot like Ronnie to me.

All this 'look out for the person in the beanie hat' from TPTB is to distract the viewer's attention from the blonde. I'm certain it is Ronnie.

boddism

13-08-2014

I think it was Jane.

It was her waiting till she was out of the house to burst into tears. I dont know why, but that made me suspicious. It was like she was trying to hide her guilt. Also when Ian slept with her after- it felt like a Judas kiss.

I also think the murderer will be close to Ian, a kind of betrayal by someone he loves dearly.

BringBackZsaZsa

13-08-2014

Masood and Jane? Nah. I'm pretty sure that they said it will be one person but Jane is a possibility. I would like it to be Nick Cotton (especially since it is the 30th anniversary and he killed Reg Cox) but I think it is probably Whitney or Max.

Ross1998

14-08-2014

It was Denise, Phil, Lola or Dean. I'm sure of it.

Dannielle_Howel

14-08-2014

Just a thought because Masood is being mentioned a lot but could it be Shabnam? A desperate attempt to get Ian and Jane back together as she was trying to push them together before Lucy died to keep Jane away from Mas? Very much pulling at strings but it could be possible, especially if the death is an accident.

Dannielle_Howel

14-08-2014

Originally Posted by boddism:
“I think it was Jane.

It was her waiting till she was out of the house to burst into tears. I dont know why, but that made me suspicious. It was like she was trying to hide her guilt. Also when Ian slept with her after- it felt like a Judas kiss.

I also think the murderer will be close to Ian, a kind of betrayal by someone he loves dearly.”

That scene was a bit stand out. I guess we're not supposed to question grief and it was supposed to be seen as Jane being strong for Ian. Its plausible though they would ruin a really great caring character.

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