It will be extremely hard for an artist like Fleur to sign to another label as she does not write her own material and is infact a classic Simon Cowell act...Not to mention the fact her astonishing lack of popularity was clearly exposed by her single not even making the top 200. I don't see any credible labels queing up to sign her. Also SYCO do not only manage kiddy groups successfully. I mean theres Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood both multiple platinum selling artists and then Il Divo who sold over 27 million albums and then let us not forget Leona Lewis and Alex Burke and then theres Susan Boyle all 50 years of her who is one of the highest selling artists of all time in the states. SYCO can manage mature artists. All of the artists mentioned here have an identity and their own sound. I dont think Fleur ever had her own sound, but perhaps she may have had her own dance moves, i feel that is where the problem might lay.

She was a second placed x factor runner up. Through history the overwhelming majority of these placed acts who released material infact i think ALL of them managed 1-2 chart positions upon releasing material.

Fleur has writing credits on every Single song except breakfast....

She has stated it, syco have stated it, credits are on her album, every interview she was asked and she said she asked to be in every writing session

She does write her own material, I don't think you know anything about her you're just assuming

Also better luck next time with chart position just because one single didn't work out doesn't mean another one won't. Music industry is very complex and it's all about finding the right material. You keep bringing up more and more and disregarding the success of sax - but oh well, I really hope she turn it all around in summer.

She does not compose her own music though which is what I meant tbh... Listen..Never came here to argue or make anything personal was just voicing my opinions, to be honest if you think about how few copies of her last single she sold I am guessing THE VAST majority of her fans are the fans that post here, cos there is only a handful! of them! (lol what did you each buy like 10 copies of more and more lol!!) Sax was not THAT great I mean it was no "EVERYTHING I DO" OR "I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU" with 20 odd weeks in the charts or so at number 1 i mean i dont even think "Sax" reached number 1 lol. That was one of my main critiques, shes been performing sax for over 7 months now with 1 truly flopped attempt at a second single...it has one hit wonder written all over it.

Did I say you were lying? Nope.

I was merely suggesting you were doing the very same thing you were moaning about others doing i.e. running away 'with snippets of Info to create a story'.

Rihanna's album is widely considered to be disappointing, sure, both in quality and in sales. But she's Rihanna, which means she's established and selling worldwide regardless.

It was also released almost two months after Fleur's album, so it's sold effectively the same number much quicker. It will very likely continue to sell faster too. So all in all, your comparison is very flawed.

As for someone suggesting Fleur's 'takeover' of the US is about to start, calm yourself. Cowell has cashed in a favour of his buddy James, that's all. The US isn't about to take her anymore seriously than the UK does just because she's managed to get on the telly.

BiB - We've been through this already. Every single song on her album apart from Paris was registered without her name credited. That means all of those songs existed before Fleur supposedly contributed. The album was written for her, not with her, her contribution was and remains negligible.

You may want to ignore that and believe Fleur can claim some sort of legitimate authorship over her own album, but other labels aren't going to fall for it because they're fully aware how prevalent courtesy credits are amongst the lightweight pop acts across the industry. If Syco can't make a success of her with all the resources they've thrown her way, no-one else is going to step in unless she suddenly pulls a rabbit out of a magical hat.

if she can do magic maybe she can go on BGT next year

You must spend hours researching facts on Fleur. Very strange for someone that cant stand her. It takes all sorts I guess.

I don't believe any artist (especially Syco artists) when their material gives them a co-writing credit, especially when their name is listed with several people. The classic example is one of the writers for the Spice Girls once said they got a credit for just changing one or two words.

The Rihanna comparison is ridiculous. Firstly, her album debuted in the top 10 in several major territories and is still charting. Also, her album was released in February when Fleur's was released in December. If you follow that line we should be comparing Fleur to Beyonce. After all, Lemonade has only sold 73,000 copies in the UK.

Beyoncé and Rihanna have been established acts for years, so no one would be expecting Fleur to be competing with them, or any other sola XF contestant for that matter.

The comparison wasnt shade I was merely saying they are international artists - so album sales equate more worldwide the uk is not the only Market in the world.

Rihanna album has sold more In US which is a bigger
Market. I'm just saying in the uk Fleur has sold equivalent to a lot of artists that released last year / early this year.

Fleur went to an international group songwriting camp in Bali if she didn't write why the hell would she go? It's where songwriters and producers come together to write a song a day - for other artists.

Not really. Everything I refer to is already contained within this here thread. I just pay attention, that's all.

But, you know, feel free to continue to try and make out I'm sad and obsessive for having a coherent train of thought. You can even finish your posts with 'It's sad, really' or 'It makes me laugh' or 'Pathetic, really' as you so often do, I really don't care

(You're welcome, btw)

Eva is the one making the comparison.

James Arthur pretty much came right out and said he had next to nothing to do with his Syco album despite being listed as a co-writer on (I think) every single song.

My favourite example still has to be Robin Thicke with Blurred Lines though, and particularly how it came to light in court that he ultimately wasn't even involved at all.




Why stop at Lemonade. Fleur's album has sold MORE than Beyonce's next album!!!




For practice? To observe the process? To shadow a real songwriter? To try and learn? Because it looks good and makes for good PR when Fleur tweets 'Oh hey guyz I'm just going to Bali to write all teh songz'

Next you'll be saying 'Why would Milli Vanilli hold a microphone if they don't sing?'

you know i cant think of a single reason to go to Bali apart from to attend an "international songwriting camp"

The issue here is that Fleur has nothing that makes her stand out and that there's an astonishing lack of buzz and popularity around her. You can come out with the old excuse about her being a new artist and it taking time, however she has had more promotion than any new artist ever gets...she got to perform live in front of millions of people every Saturday night for seven weeks, she got to perform her debut single live in front of millions on one of the biggest tv shows, she got to release her album in the Christmas period when sales are high, she had her debut single used in one of the biggest Christmas adverts which was played over and over again all through Christmas, she got to perform her single on every bloody tv show going. Fleur was absolutely everywhere...they promoted her to high heaven and spent an absolute fortune on her...more than any other new artist ever gets.

She then performed 'More and More' on another high profile tv show, but nobody cared and nobody was interested. That's why SYCO didn't pursue it as a single. Yes, the song was rubbish, but the fact that she came second on X Factor and that so much money was spent on promoting her, yet still nobody was interested in her second single, just goes to show that people just don't care about her enough. Her album might have sold ok for a few weeks, but it absolutely tanked...and fast. So in conclusion, you have someone who came second on X Factor based on novelty votes and the novelty factor...in the real world once the novelty wore off nobody was interested in her which was proved by her album completely tanking down the charts despite the ginormous amount of promotion she was given, and the lack of interest in the proposed second single. There's nothing new, nothing different and nothing distinctive about her. There's nothing that makes her stand out. SYCO/Cowell have realised this now and they're trying to save face by sending her off to Bali (not a hope in hell she's doing any writing out there and anyone who thinks you have to go all the way to Bali of all places to write music is deluded). They'll most likely give her another album and a shot on an X factor live show and then that will be it for her. They'll already be forecasting what will happen with her.

Yeah, she has nothing to offer right. Only the fact that she has the all round package of being a great performer and dancer, and a very good voice. All you need to have provided you have the right people behind you which is not SYCO.

But Fleur has 12 weeks of album sales over Rihanna, so if their sales are about the same, it's hardly a ringing endorsement for Fleur. If you want to use a comparison, it would be better to use an artist who released at the same time as Fleur. And has the album even charted anywhere outside the UK and Ireland?


Since we're on the topic of Rihanna, she has had writing camps for a lot of her albums. It's just where a group of producers and writers get together to share ideas and come up with songs for an artist. The artist may attend, but it doesn't mean they are playing a key part in the process.

THIS. True words. Some may not like hearing it, BUT this is the blatantly obvious truth. I doubt she will get another album though, too much money/time. She basically has no fanbase. I think Cowell will look for a replacement in this years Xfactor.

But many others also have this "all round package" that you speak of and they can do what Fleur can do a million times better and more. She doesn't stand out. She's simply an average singer and dancer.

Only in your opinion I am afraid.

this thread has become a total joke just been sitting back reading it - the same people making the same comments over and over again! BORING!

Good luck to fleur on her american debut! And well done on the international success of sax!

tbh I am in complete agreement with you on this. Why people that don't like Fleur want to keep coming on here every single day just amuses me. I don't like Little Mix so I don't waste a single second of my time going onto their thread to see what they have been doing. I really could not care less, but the anti Fleur brigade seem to have a weird fascination with what she is doing although they do not like her. Very odd.

That's not it at all. It's not Fleur that the fascination is with...it's her deluded fans who are so out of touch with reality that it's beyond belief. For example, before she had even released her first single people in this thread had pegged her down to be a worldwide superstar who would be doing a duet with people like Usher and would have the world fawning over her. Any attempts some on here made to try and bring these people back down to earth were met with responses such as "just you wait, her album will be number one and will sell bucket loads". Suddenly though, the goalposts have changed and it's all "Yayy, she's performing at Manchester Pride". Then there's the frankly scary obsession that you have with Ben Haenow...any slightly negative comment about Fleur is met with a random, weird comparison with Ben and we are accused of being Ben fans, when in reality I don't think any of us could care less about him. It's Fleur fans' overreaction and deluded minds of her talent and popularity that are the big draws for this thread, not Fleur herself. Also, as you've been reminded a number of times, this isn't an appreciation thread.