I know, hilarious.

For a start Fleur has many fans, and not just a few as you state. Secondly, there an element of people that come on this thread every single day just to rubbish Fleur, and have not got the slightest interest in discussing what she is doing

I don't like LM, so I don't spend every day on their thread discussing what they are doin because I could not care less.

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Instead of ridiculing me and making me feel like shit, and trying to make a joke of me, do you understand what era means? It means second album, new music different sound to first album not she's going to change the music world.

Between the handful of you Fleur negatives you all just seem to try and manipulate her fans into a discussion of I'm right and you're wrong when your opinion is neither here or there. You all try and use some sort of negative paragraph and think you are so right about fleurs career.

Truth is only syco know what's happening there could be a million and one reasons for more and more being scrapped, it wasn't even supposed to be the single.

Fleur is working hard behind the scenes if you don't follow her you don't know what
she's doing.

this thread is a joke and it's always the same people

Yea she does have many followers 428k on insta 300k on Facebook and 256k on Twitter - she started off with no fanbase, the more music and promotion she does the more the followers will increase, new artists take ages to get popular that's just the way it is, festivals and appearances help that fanbase hence the whole point of her being booked for them whether it's v festival or Manchester pride which a lot of artists do then the one winning is Fleur because shel be securing her fanbase and as she is a performer people will enjoy her set.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2015212

I was talking about the few fans she has on here, I have no idea how popular she is 'in the real world' as I don't follow her, but I never hear her on the radio, so I just assume she's fallen by the wayside. As I said before, this is an open forum, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I like you as a poster Jeref, but I do think you're exaggerating when you say people are on here everyday? Personally I've only made just over 5,000 posts which are mainly on the football forum - and I've been registered since 2004.

Maybe you would like to post the link to the LLM Appreciation thread onto their discussion thread. Good luck with that one.

your choice

either accept people with the full range of opinions will post in this thread and stop whining or if you only want to discuss things with fellow fanbois then use the appreciation sub-forum

I'm 54, went to clubs like Crackers, Global Village, Studio 21....listened and followed soul and funk music you'll probably never know about. I also went to University, so I understand the word 'era' quite well thank you and it doesn't mean 'second album'.

If you're going to get so upset when people who understand music criticise Fleur, maybe you should stick to the appreciation threads.

Oh, and likes on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter, does not a good artist make!!!

BIB - That's debate at it's finest, apparently

You're correct though. I actually liked Fleur on XF in the context that I thought she was a decent contestant in what is really a reality tv karaoke show. I just started to think the hype and the pimping of her by Cowell was WAY OTT vs her actual talent and, combined with the increasing hyperbole in this very forum, made me start to go the other way and post realism to counteract the fantasy scenarios.

Nowadays, outside of this thread, I would barely realise she was still around. Apart from maybe hearing the odd blast of Sax in a shop, I would have no awareness of her existence.

Her biggest problem is that she's a pretty generic pop star in an over saturated market. Without a USP or absolutely killer songs, she doesn't have a hope in hell of the big time, regardless of how much cash Syco throw at her promo and they seem to have given up on that one.

I do understand that it's hard to accept that someone you think should be up there as an artist really isn't going to be what you hoped for. I've had acts that I've rooted for and wanted to do well who have sunk without trace but it's about getting real and smelling the coffee rather than blind devotion in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary

I'm a bit younger than you but my youth was spent in clubs like The Goldmine, Flicks, Lacy Lady, Zero 6 and The Gin Palace. Still get to Caister, Bournemouth and Southport most years

Re social media - Peter Andre has 3.5m Twitter followers. If that actually translated into sales, he'd be bigger than Bieber but that's never gonna happen. As you (or someone else said), all that means is someone has pressed a button on their phone saying 'like'

I get upset when people try and take the piss out of me personally by laughing at
Me, and era in this day an age means new albums or campaigns I couldn't care for how old you are we're all equal on here.

People on forums talk about this era, that era - re discussing album campaigns, not saying it's right or wrong it's just forum speak.

I drove to shop about an hour or so ago and sax was on radio 1, it also gets played on capital and kiss and also the remixes of it. She hasn't had any new singles to put on since more and more were scrapped so whatever she's been doing in the studio will probably be played on capital for first listen.

If you get upset so easily, there's always the ignore function - but then it'd only leave you and Jeref talking to yourselves, so maybe that's why you really secretly like the rest of us around, go on - you know you do!

And your use of the word era, is completely incorrect.

Whether she gets big or not I still rate her as an artist and it's my Right to do so, and as you don't like her you will just say Your opinion and think it's right well neither of us are right and none of us can tell the future,

I've seen post after post on this forum throughout the years of people blasting little mix saying they will never make it and I'm pretty sure someone has said that about other artists and I've Known artists that take a couple of album campaigns and various collaborations and sounds before they have truly made it, being in the industry is about working hard and hustling until you are in that position and fleur has a long way to go

People can predict but until she's given more music and different sounds we won't know will we, all it takes is decent producers songwriters backing and decent song - as good as sax was it's still far away from what Fleur should be doing she should've been doing current pop rnb.

Alot of people have Said they love Fleur and she's talented but don't like this style of music, guess sometime an album doesn't work or it does, there are some good tracks on the album - gold watch, serious, baby don't dance, breakfast, paris but they aren't getting the exposure because of stupid management decisions and that's my opinion.

Exactly Blondie! It's easy for someone to just press a button, no effort at all. But that's what it's all about now - just lazy-fandom if there is such a word, if not I'm sure Eva will put me in my place.

As we all watch X-Factor, I'm just intrigued to know what happens to some of the acts afterwards, and with Fleur, she's had such s lot of promotion, I'm surprised she hasn't taken off.

Yes I'm aware it's incorrect but with forum speak that's what it means, I am aware of era I did go to school, why would I ignore you all? I have no desire to play petty games

I am getting bored of the same conversation

So as much as you all hate her and think she's shit but what song off the album would you all pick for her for the next single, I know you all have had a cheeky listen so go on what would you pick?

I think Fleur is very confident and strong and I feel casual fans and people especially gbp can't connect with her personally - I've seen a lot of 'she's talented but she's to up herself! Comments, and like I said she needs to drop the old school sound and do something current.

I don't think people on here are haters, as I said to Blondie above, we've all watched X-Factor and just like talking about the acts. I'm just puzzled that Fleur, as far as I can see, hasn't really taken off?

I honestly haven't listened to any of her stuff, apart from Sax which of course was everywhere

We'll just have to agree to disagree eh.

I agree on both counts. We come from an era where hearing new music took some effort and a walk to the nearest Our Price to flick through the vinyl. I remember getting the train from Elephant through to Bank then jumping on an overhead from Liverpool St to Wickford because there was a record shop called Adrians in the High Street that sold imports and 12 inches. Many a Saturday afternoon was whiled away rummaging through the new releases and asking the bloke behind the counter to play 30 seconds of the track before shelling out. There was also City Sounds in Holborn but that didn't open at the weekend

Anyway, I digress. On your second point though, I can't imagine I'd ever buy music buy any XF act as it's not my sort of thing usually but I do hope that anyone who goes on there to fulfill their dreams ends up getting what they wish for. These are kids who want a career in the music industry and aren't doing anyone any harm so I would never begrudge them success. It's the ludicrous hyperbole about what are basically karaoke singers that prompts me to respond rather than the actual act.

Well then if you haven't listened how do you know you wouldn't like one song off the album seeing as she's put a lot of influences on there I mean I listen to loads of music I don't like beiber at all but I like some of the stuff off his new album or era. Ha! You just never know

Thing is, does she want to just 'make it' by churning out any old tosh or continue doing the kind of music she loves? If it's the latter, and she wants to stay true to to her genre of as you say 'old skool' she could be in for a life of just doing the rounds of clubs.

I used to go to a pub in South London many many years ago where they showcased young bands every Sunday, and the music was unbelievable, but where are they now - I sometimes check up and most of them are still gigging to the old faithful and some new fans - but they'll never really make mainstream chart stuff.

Well yeah there are a lot of independent artists out there because by choice they don't want to do mainstream pop stuff, a lot of artists choose not to go down that route I'm not a complete idiot I do know there is more than the top 40 but if you want to be a known singer doing pop then that's why you go on XF.

A lot if by choice you either want to put yourself in the limelight or you don't, and if you don't like pop music then the top 40 isn't going to satisfy your tastes
Musically

Fleur expressed she wanted to do lots of genres she's versatile, she had experimented with all sorts before she was signed to syco

Yeah me too, we'll have to start up a 'reminiscing' thread so as not to hijack this one . I admire you going all that way with different modes of transport just to go to a record shop. Mine was HMV at Marble Arch and Bluebird records just off the Edgware Road, saving up for the latest 12" single. I remember when Shame by Evelyn Champagne King was being played everywhere and I couldn't even get a copy!

I have bought quite a lot of the American Idol stuff, but the only X-Factor track I have via iTunes is James Arthur's Impossible! He was y everyone's cuppa, but I thought he was great.

Back to Fleur - I quite liked her when she did her judges house song, but I think after that she just didn't quite push on, I wasn't even mad on Uptown Funk which was raved about.

I loved James Arthur!!! He was my favourite along with fleur, and Alexandra Burke.

James was so good just a shame about the gobache! He was actually backing Fleur to win which is funny as he was one of my favourites!

Fleur is good when she's on it but like I said song choice is crucial for her career she's supposed to be cool.

Haven't watched AI for a few years but I think the level of the talent there was a class above our shows. people like Reuben, Fantasia, Elliot Yamin and others were absolute stars. There was another young black guy whose names escapes me (think he was gay, rather camp definitely) in the last series I watched who was like watching an old Motown artist.
I love this track which Reuben featured on a couple of years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEp6_LFdkUo

I'm the same with Fleur tbh. I liked her but I thought she was massively overhyped as Cowell decided she was the chosen one. She was decent but inconsistent yet she was fawned over like they'd just found the new Aretha.

Sassy finger snaps is a little derogatory though!

Don't need to play the racist card but have a little more respect wouldn't go a miss!

anyway this thread is such a mess it's going around in circles - any positive news re Fleur it's ridiculed - ie, she went to writing camp or she's in the studio, it's not an achievement and it's bad, the girl just can't win. Everyone has an opinion like her or hate her but none of us know truly where this is all going music wise.