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Old 14-08-2014, 23:15
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Are like the Pat and Peggy of reality TV

Don't you think?
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Old 14-08-2014, 23:16
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I can't stomach Ashleigh.

Petulant little child.
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Old 14-08-2014, 23:18
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I can't stomach Ashleigh.

Petulant little child.
How dare you slate Ashleigh "Peggy Mitchelll" Doyle. !!!! Are you just jealous of her youth and savvyness?
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Old 14-08-2014, 23:26
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I'm bored of her misery.

"Fun and bubbly" my arse.
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Old 14-08-2014, 23:34
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She has been a bit of a misery guts, but I can empathise with her, she's found it hard living under Helens tyranny. Because Pat has had Frank Butcher since Day 2, Frank Butcher being the power. Peggy has been jealous of been Pat since then and has been dying to steal Frank of Pat and they've been juggling him since until tonight's episode when they realised they didn't need Frank anyway and he was just stopping them from being together.
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Old 15-08-2014, 00:06
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Are like the Pat and Peggy of reality TV

Don't you think?
They're nothing like Pat and Peggy

Helen is like a mixture of Mercedes HO, Sinead HO, Carla CS and Kat EE

Ashleigh reminds me of Tina CS
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Old 15-08-2014, 00:07
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I'm bored of her misery.

"Fun and bubbly" my arse.
Can you blame her when she lived in a house for 72 days with Benefits Britain?
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Old 15-08-2014, 00:12
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They're nothing like Pat and Peggy

Helen is like a mixture of Mercedes HO, Sinead HO, Carla CS and Kat EE

Ashleigh reminds me of Tina CS
Ashleigh isn't sweet and innocent and is a very dominant character in her own right.

Ashleigh is like Peggy. Very proud and will not bow down to anybody and desperate to get what she wants and gets it, she struggles to hold on to it but always has a chance with it.

Helen is like Pat. Also very proud. Brassy and Brash. Doesn't allow herself to be walked over. Emotionally closed due to a tough past of being used. Usually comes out on top.

The power is like Frank Butcher. The object of both of their affections. The power has belonged to one of them for so long and the other has been desperate for it and managed to hold onto it only for it to fall back into the arms of the other one until they both wished up and realised they didn't need the it after all and became friends.

So yeah they're more like Pat and Peggy. Hollyoaks characters are too weak to be compared to real life people.

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Old 15-08-2014, 00:30
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Helen as par. Don't make fukin laugh
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Old 15-08-2014, 00:33
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Helen as par. Don't make fukin laugh
Tipple too many?
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:02
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Can you blame her when she lived in a house for 72 days with Benefits Britain?
Who? I hope that isn't an insult at the working class?

In terms of her misery, she's been like that from Day 1, lying in bed with her teddy, sulking in that treehouse thing. Moody teenager to the extreme.
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:07
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Are like the Pat and Peggy of reality TV

Don't you think?
Not at all!

But Helen has the classic traits and personality for a soap villain though. The backstory, the fight, strength and she's damaged. She can also show compassion at times.
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:15
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Who? I hope that isn't an insult at the working class?

In terms of her misery, she's been like that from Day 1, lying in bed with her teddy, sulking in that treehouse thing. Moody teenager to the extreme.
Nooo it was an insult to the way the other HM's like Helen act, they behave like the losers on that show

And not really, she was fine when she got in there, but when 99% of the house do nothing but smoke/drink/talk about sex which is all stuff you don't do, it becomes hard

And girls like Helen bullied her in school, Helen's even admitted to picking on girls in school and she picked on Ashleigh and her friends in the house
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:16
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Not at all!

But Helen has the classic traits and personality for a soap villain though. The backstory, the fight, strength and she's damaged. She can also show compassion at times.
A load of rubbish

Ashleigh has been through worse than her and she isn't made out to be this damaged heroin
And she's not very compassionate, compassionate would be taking some responsibility while Ashleigh opened up about her bullying and how Helen fits in to that
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:23
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A load of rubbish

Ashleigh has been through worse than her and she isn't made out to be this damaged heroin
And she's not very compassionate, compassionate would be taking some responsibility while Ashleigh opened up about her bullying and how Helen fits in to that
What has Ashleigh been through???
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:24
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Ashleigh isn't sweet and innocent and is a very dominant character in her own right.

Ashleigh is like Peggy. Very proud and will not bow down to anybody and desperate to get what she wants and gets it, she struggles to hold on to it but always has a chance with it.

Helen is like Pat. Also very proud. Brassy and Brash. Doesn't allow herself to be walked over. Emotionally closed due to a tough past of being used. Usually comes out on top.

The power is like Frank Butcher. The object of both of their affections. The power has belonged to one of them for so long and the other has been desperate for it and managed to hold onto it only for it to fall back into the arms of the other one until they both wished up and realised they didn't need the it after all and became friends.

So yeah they're more like Pat and Peggy. Hollyoaks characters are too weak to be compared to real life people.

Tina isn't sweet or innocent either? She was dominant too

She's nothing like Peggy. Peggy will stand up for anything to do with her family, even if they're in the wrong. Ashleigh's a lot more laid back and would probably just go 'You're a dick' to Phil . Ashleigh isn't really a matriarchal type figure, she stands up for stuff she believes in and that's that. She will also admit when she's wrong.

Helen's nothing like Pat. Pat was a warm matriarch who felt genuine remorse for her past, looked after/cared for people and had fun. Helen bullies and picks on people and uses her past to excuse it, then feels no compassion. Pat would have felt remorse if she saw Ashleigh open up like that about how badly she was bullied in school and how she reminds her of that, as Helen admitted herself to picking on people in school and she was nasty to Ashleigh's friends so she should have been able to realize how that affects Ashleigh. Pat wouldn't have laughed and said Ashleigh was playing the victim.

Pat and Peggy were both fun old ladies that stood up for what they believed in and were heads of their family. Helen's nasty and vicious for the sake of it and Ashleigh stands up to her for that. Ashleigh's far too quiet and thoughtful though to be compared to Peggy.

And umm, it hasn't really been the power they've been fighting over. That's a made up storyline by viewers. Helen formed a group and attacked people and excluded them while her followers egged her on. Ashleigh found that behavior disgusting and said something about it which is where her side came from when people agreed with her. It's not as if the feud started from two power hungry people.
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:26
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Nooo it was an insult to the way the other HM's like Helen act, they behave like the losers on that show

And not really, she was fine when she got in there, but when 99% of the house do nothing but smoke/drink/talk about sex which is all stuff you don't do, it becomes hard

And girls like Helen bullied her in school, Helen's even admitted to picking on girls in school and she picked on Ashleigh and her friends in the house
I beg to differ, she was miserable from the off along with Danielle. The only difference being Danielle admitted to being a phoney fake on her eviction.

But I don't want to turn the soap forum into the Big Brother forum so I'll stop here.

There's a reason I don't venture into that forum.
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:37
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They'd make a great soap duel. It's kind of perfect with the blonde versus brunette.

Ashleigh to win by the way!
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:40
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Ashleigh to win by the way!
The bores always win, so I think she will.
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:49
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What has Ashleigh been through???
Brutal bullying in school? She said herself she was destroyed by people in school

What has Helen had that makes her this vicious other than her parents divorcing?
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:51
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I don't think their lives before BB have any relevance. We can't and don't know the facts about any of the housemates lives and what exactly makes them who they are.

That's why we judge them on their behaviour inside the house, not whether something happened at school or not.

Just because Ashleigh has chosen to bring up bullying at school and Helen's brought up nothing doesn't mean a thing. You could quite easily say Ashleigh is lying for sympathy.
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:52
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I beg to differ, she was miserable from the off along with Danielle. The only difference being Danielle admitted to being a phoney fake on her eviction.

But I don't want to turn the soap forum into the Big Brother forum so I'll stop here.

There's a reason I don't venture into that forum.
Well she didn't have many options

Option A - Sit outside with Helen and her crew, drink cans and cans of lager, smoke cigarette upon cigarette and discuss constant sex

Option B - Sit on your own and do nothing

Option C - Sit with Danielle and co

Her, Danielle and stuff were only miserable because Helen and stuff made their experiences like that. They were excluded from the group and called boring e.t.c just because they wouldn't do what they wanted. And they couldn't speak up or they'd receive a vicious rant against them. The one time Danielle did speak up Helen completely came piling down on her and Danielle was shit scared for the rest of her time in the house
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:54
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No, no, they were called boring because they'd disappear to bitch about the Helen group.

No matter what Helen or the others were like, it was A and D that decided to disappear into corners bitching and moaning. Also that had nothing to do with Helen in the end as Danielle admitted it was her game plan. It didn't work.
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Old 15-08-2014, 01:55
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I really am stopping now, this isn't about soaps.
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Old 15-08-2014, 02:07
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A load of rubbish

Ashleigh has been through worse than her and she isn't made out to be this damaged heroin
And she's not very compassionate, compassionate would be taking some responsibility while Ashleigh opened up about her bullying and how Helen fits in to that
Don't speak to me like that! How rude!! It's not a load of rubbish it's different of opinion or you just being simple minded!!

Ashleigh has been bullied at school yes! But Helen has been through terrible times from her childhood to recent years! I take it ou don't know the full extent about her past? Because of you did you can't say Ashleigh has been through worse. It's not about who's had the worst past anyway as everyone's problems affect them differently.

To me it's simple minded people who don't understand why Helen is the way she is. Did you watch Bit On The Side lathe other day with the drawing Helen did? Compare her drawing to Ashleigh's and then we will see who's 'been through worse'.

Also Ashleigh has never once accepted how nasty she can be but Helen has!
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