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I don't think their lives before BB have any relevance. We can't and don't know the facts about any of the housemates lives and what exactly makes them who they are.
That's why we judge them on their behaviour inside the house, not whether something happened at school or not. Just because Ashleigh has chosen to bring up bullying at school and Helen's brought up nothing doesn't mean a thing. You could quite easily say Ashleigh is lying for sympathy. |
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No, no, they were called boring because they'd disappear to bitch about the Helen group.
No matter what Helen or the others were like, it was A and D that decided to disappear into corners bitching and moaning. Also that had nothing to do with Helen in the end as Danielle admitted it was her game plan. It didn't work. Ashleigh's bitching really only started on week 3 when she had a clearer idea of what was going on and had been excluded for three weeks now. And it did have something to do with Helen. Danielle said that she had a gameplan but by that she was referring to making up lies like she was a virgin e.t.c. Her hate for Helen was completely genuine, you only have to see her ranting outside the house
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But the point I'm making is everyone is playing the victim card for Helen because of her supposed backstory, so why not do the same for Ashleigh?
But the thing is this isn't the BB section. This is about soaps and I said Helen would make a great soap villain. You argued about her. Save it for the BB section. Maybe people are not playing the victim card for Ashleigh is because he past isn't as tragic as Helens. But that's the last I say on it in this section of DS. Just keep the housemate debates in the BB section and use this as the soap section as this thread was made to be about the soaps not about BB housemates, the thread just features BB housemates. |
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But the point I'm making is everyone is playing the victim card for Helen because of her supposed backstory, so why not do the same for Ashleigh?
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Actually no, Ashleigh rarely bitched about them in weeks 1-2, and even when they called them boring they didn't know whether they were being bitched about. They were called boring because they didn't smoke/drink/talk about sex and they made that very clear, particularly Helen and Ash. So when you're trapped in a house for 72 days with a matter of 4 rooms to go to while 1 million people are watching, it's not particularly pleasant to have to experience that.
Ashleigh's bitching really only started on week 3 when she had a clearer idea of what was going on and had been excluded for three weeks now. And it did have something to do with Helen. Danielle said that she had a gameplan but by that she was referring to making up lies like she was a virgin e.t.c. Her hate for Helen was completely genuine, you only have to see her ranting outside the house ![]() Do you see what I'm saying? She picked at those things purposely, whether her hate was genuine it was coming about regardless of Helen's actions and she influence Ashleigh. |
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Don't speak to me like that! How rude!! It's not a load of rubbish it's different of opinion or you just being simple minded!!
Ashleigh has been bullied at school yes! But Helen has been through terrible times from her childhood to recent years! I take it ou don't know the full extent about her past? Because of you did you can't say Ashleigh has been through worse. It's not about who's had the worst past anyway as everyone's problems affect them differently. To me it's simple minded people who don't understand why Helen is the way she is. Did you watch Bit On The Side lathe other day with the drawing Helen did? Compare her drawing to Ashleigh's and then we will see who's 'been through worse'. Also Ashleigh has never once accepted how nasty she can be but Helen has! I do actually. Her parents divorced - Traumatic, yes. But it happens to lots of people and this alone doesn't excuse her behavior. And she admitted herself she caused a LOT of problems for her parents. Having a child as a teenager and having to live in a council flat because of it - She chose to have the child, her decision therefore she faces the consequences Going in to prostitution - First of all she went in to this just so she could pay for a nice holiday for herself, she admitted this herself. Second of all, even if she did go in to it because of struggling, that would come down to a choice SHE made Money problems - She was the one taking out loans she couldn't pay, and MORE than one. This all comes down to her own choice so I feel no sympathy. Media coverage - It was HER that decided to leak her clients everywhere So bar her parents divorcing, all of these are her own decisions. Therefore she faces the consequences. And LMFAO are you actually suggesting that a cartoon drawing suggests who's been through worse? For starters that says nothing about what they've been through, just what they are now. And you keep calling me simple minded, well I can call you simple minded for only seeing the depth behind Helen's picture and not Ashleigh's. And that is bullshit, please stop making things up. You're wrong for several reasons... 1. Why would Ashleigh need to admit she's wrong when she's done nothing? ![]() . HELEN formed a group early on and excluded Ashleigh and picked on people just because they refuse to follow Helen's classless habits. Ashleigh witnessed three weeks of Helen and her crew excluding people, creating friction and their vicious rants so she went against that. Hardly makes her Satan does it?2. She did admit stuff anyway even though she didn't need to, did you not see her say tonight she admits to being a bit bitchy to Helen? 3. Helen has NOT felt any remorse for her behavior, this is a myth created by deluded fans wanting a HM to go on a journey so badly. She has not apologized for a single event that she has caused in the house. If you actually think when she said sorry once in the diary room was genuine then you're on another planet. In case you haven't realized BB had told her if she didn't stop she'd be kicked out the house, so that's why she said sorry when on the spot. And to prove she didn't mean it, she laughed about the exact same thing BB told her off for on a later date, so that's not very remorseful. Did she apologize for excluding Jale and Christopher and making them miserable on the first few weeks? Calling them slugs and wasps? Saying she hated Chris on his first night and excluding him? Her homophobic comments? Calling Danielle a fat bitch that needs a wash and a hairbrush? Consistently attacking Danielle's religion? Launching a violent rant against Matthew because he didn't play truth or dare? Laughing when Ashleigh spoke of her bullying experience when she herself has bullied people? And her several other rants that would take too long to name, particularly to Ashleigh and Christopher. |
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'Supposed'?
But the thing is this isn't the BB section. This is about soaps and I said Helen would make a great soap villain. You argued about her. Save it for the BB section. Maybe people are not playing the victim card for Ashleigh is because he past isn't as tragic as Helens. But that's the last I say on it in this section of DS. Just keep the housemate debates in the BB section and use this as the soap section as this thread was made to be about the soaps not about BB housemates, the thread just features BB housemates. And I did argue about her because I said she wouldn't make a good soap villain, because she really isn't that damaged from what I've heard. |
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Yes, her hate for Helen is genuine but her whining over every little swear word and mention of sex was a game plan.
Do you see what I'm saying? She picked at those things purposely, whether her hate was genuine it was coming about regardless of Helen's actions and she influence Ashleigh. Helen didn't know it was a gameplan Danielle was pulling off and attacked her, Ashleigh and others because they wouldn't join in with her classless behavior on national TV |
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I said supposed because Joe said we don't know what's real and what's not for sure with Ashleigh and I said the same for Helen
Anything prior to launch night is irrelevant to me. |
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Yes but that doesn't change Helen
Helen didn't know it was a gameplan Danielle was pulling off and attacked her, Ashleigh and others because they wouldn't join in with her classless behavior on national TV Helen had no arguments until Danielle called the other girls slags after being nominated, when Helen questioned her she got a mouth full of profanities which set them off on an argument. I'm not saying Helen is an angel, I'm saying she was not the sole cause of the rift in the house. |
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I was thinking the same!!
Helen to win!!! |
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I was referring to Helen, not you. Calm the **** down for gods sake, why do you need to get so worked up?
I do actually. Her parents divorced - Traumatic, yes. But it happens to lots of people and this alone doesn't excuse her behavior. And she admitted herself she caused a LOT of problems for her parents. Having a child as a teenager and having to live in a council flat because of it - She chose to have the child, her decision therefore she faces the consequences Going in to prostitution - First of all she went in to this just so she could pay for a nice holiday for herself, she admitted this herself. Second of all, even if she did go in to it because of struggling, that would come down to a choice SHE made Money problems - She was the one taking out loans she couldn't pay, and MORE than one. This all comes down to her own choice so I feel no sympathy. Media coverage - It was HER that decided to leak her clients everywhere So bar her parents divorcing, all of these are her own decisions. Therefore she faces the consequences. And LMFAO are you actually suggesting that a cartoon drawing suggests who's been through worse? For starters that says nothing about what they've been through, just what they are now. And you keep calling me simple minded, well I can call you simple minded for only seeing the depth behind Helen's picture and not Ashleigh's. And that is bullshit, please stop making things up. You're wrong for several reasons... 1. Why would Ashleigh need to admit she's wrong when she's done nothing? ![]() . HELEN formed a group early on and excluded Ashleigh and picked on people just because they refuse to follow Helen's classless habits. Ashleigh witnessed three weeks of Helen and her crew excluding people, creating friction and their vicious rants so she went against that. Hardly makes her Satan does it?2. She did admit stuff anyway even though she didn't need to, did you not see her say tonight she admits to being a bit bitchy to Helen? 3. Helen has NOT felt any remorse for her behavior, this is a myth created by deluded fans wanting a HM to go on a journey so badly. She has not apologized for a single event that she has caused in the house. If you actually think when she said sorry once in the diary room was genuine then you're on another planet. In case you haven't realized BB had told her if she didn't stop she'd be kicked out the house, so that's why she said sorry when on the spot. And to prove she didn't mean it, she laughed about the exact same thing BB told her off for on a later date, so that's not very remorseful. Did she apologize for excluding Jale and Christopher and making them miserable on the first few weeks? Calling them slugs and wasps? Saying she hated Chris on his first night and excluding him? Her homophobic comments? Calling Danielle a fat bitch that needs a wash and a hairbrush? Consistently attacking Danielle's religion? Launching a violent rant against Matthew because he didn't play truth or dare? Laughing when Ashleigh spoke of her bullying experience when she herself has bullied people? And her several other rants that would take too long to name, particularly to Ashleigh and Christopher. You obviously know nothing about Helen! I'm not talking about her past where her parents got divorced!! Seriously kid do some reserch before you chuck around Tia bulls***! The examples u give about Helen are clearly irrelevant as the parts of her past ur talking about (which you've probably writen into history yourself) are not even what's made her damaged as I've said! Do some research! Oh and don't tell me to calm the **** down. It's u who needs to calm down. For the last time stick to talking about soaps this isn't BB section. Can tell he's a BB one with his aggressive. attitude can't we guys! |
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Actually I said that for the pair of them. I find with shows like BB, it's pointless bringing their past and personal lives into it as the only things we know for sure is their time in the house.
Anything prior to launch night is irrelevant to me. |
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