that's not the point though is't if say other programmes did it for Ade and Kim then that would be fair but to have a radio station plugging just one of them isn't fair is't and I bet she on at 3 o'clock again, afterall this is meant to be for charity

I agree with that. You either like Edith or you don't. Colin telling you to vote for her when you are supporting Kim or Ade is not going to make you switch alliance imo.

I'd answer that but would probaly get banned if I put what I first came into my mind.
don't know why I'm getting annoyed for as I'm not bothered who actually wins tonight.

I should point out that I am a Kim fan and think that. It is a bit irritating, but I don't honestly think it will make much difference. I will still say that if Edith wins as well.

In the link before last, Colin played some of Kim singing "Keep Me (You?) Hanging on" and some Edith doing "Shout" and said "you decide".

So it's not all pushing Edith.

However, Radio 1 listeners are getting the message that they won't be able to vote in the normal way tonight, and statistically they're probably more likely to be txters and Edith fans than people who don't listen to Colin's show. Eastenders gave Kim a good lead in last night, Radio one talks up Edith, it's all good in one way, but a bit annoying in others.

However, I'm sure it's raised more money this way, my reminding and by making people want to vote for or vote against someone.

Still, it's been a great show, and I'll enjoy the final songs if I can ever find FA in the schedule.

Colin's detailing the voting system right now.

He's encouraging people to talk to their boss about their office voting for Edith and getting a mention on air. ("Shout outs" you know.)

And giving (only) the Edith number.

Now that is wrong. That could really make a difference. Although how many people would do it.

What matters most is they rise the money for Comic Relief.

If Colin gets people to vote for Edith, fine the money goes to Comic Relief.
If Colin gets peoples backs up & they vote for Ade or Kim, the money goes
to Comic Relief.

Some of the Comic Relief trailers have really got to me, so what really matters now is the money for Comic Relief

Tez

Colin can do what he likes, we dont have to do what he says. If you dont wanna vote Edith then you dont.
no big deal

I agree.

All too often on this forum several people's posts are undermined with the now cliched response "It doesn't matter, after all it's all for charity"

But let's be realistic, the Beeb want ratings for their show, so it's not as though it's an entirely altruistic exercise on their part.
There are benefits for the BBC from gaining good ratings.

A BBC radio station promoting a BBC television show.
If it's all a bit of fun for charity then they should just relax with the hype crap and let fate take it's course.

It seems to be a pattern here with BBC reality shows where celebrities are involved.
Their celebrity reality shows are always won by BBC celebrities.
It was the same with both of the Strictly Come Dancing shows.
Maybe a coincidence, but if the BBC are hyping up their own celebrities, then in turn it benefits the BBC if they in turn use these same celebrities in their own forthcoming programmes.

It might be nice to think that the BBC are truly altruistic in their motives, but it's not as though a cynical appraoch can't also be playing it's hand here as well.

I suppose they can do this if they want if it's their own channel, but I have to say it puts me off a bit.
Especially when the recent report on the BBC said that in the future they intend to put less emphasis on ratings, and more emphasis on integrity.

look TEZZER I've got no problem who wins! but as the all have given their free time for Ade and Kim to be treated in this way is unfair and to be honest Edith should not be allowed to be on his show this afternoon.

Why do they bother making commercials?
Why do advertising agenicies exist and make a profit if nobody listens to them?
Why does anyone bother to promote films, records, anything?
Why do teasers like the new Doctor Who teaser get made and broadcast?


People aren't affected byt the images and sounds they see in the media at all are they?


Why do some people actually think that people make decisions that are based on their own independant thought process alone, and aren't affected by external influences in any way at all?

I can see & respect your point Alrightmate and agree with some of it.

But for me what matters now is rising the cash for Comic Relief..

Tez

Yeah raise it but sorry ain't one of those that will raise at the cost of others and to me Edith is completly aware this is going on so who wants to win the most ???

I'm not the person you should be telling

Try telling Colin

colinandedith@bbc.co.uk

Tez

Yes, charity is a good thing.

But we also watch Fame Academy to be entertained as well.
It doesn't mean that we shouldn't also make valid criticisms about the entertainment if we feel they apply too.

I do think it's fair to be a bit annoyed to be dragged along with a show for 2 weeks, only to find out that it was all pointless. (In entertainment terms).

To have criticisms isn't the same thing as being against charity.
And to undermine those criticism by saying that the entertainment side of things doesn't matter because it's for charity, isn't the same thing as saying it's good entertainment.

Nobody is criticising the charity side of things.
They are criticising the entertainment side of things which is why they watch.

Maybe I am basing it on my own thoughts. Personally no promotion by Colin would make me vote Edith when I am supporting Kim, but maybe not everyone thinks like that or thinks at all

Maybe advertsing doesn't apply to you personally in this instance. But I'd hedge my bets and suspect that advertising would get it's money off you somwhere along the line.
(And of course I'm not saying that I'm immune either)

I'm sure that one of the reasons why Edith was asked to do it in the first place was the guarenteed exposure on Radio 1. So the massive promotion of her and the show was always going to happen from the moment the show started.

Surely it's better for comic relief to have the show mentioned repeatedly on the radio than not at all even if it is for one person??

Anyway, I've got the impression that they've been really surprised by Edith. I think it's quite sweet really.

I agree with you & share the feeling of being really p*ssed off that after 10 days of (at times really enjoyable entertainment) a competition to find a winner.

The voting process closes before anybody has sung tonight!

Tez

Exactly so, after so many years and so many different charities trying to part us from our cash it just gets harder and harder for them, many people will tune in on the night and pledge money, but they need to get people involved earlier and start thinking up ways of raising money and CFA has done that, all the hype on Radio 1 and on BBC has done that, and that really is what it is all supposed to be about, unlike IACGMOH none of these slebs were paid, and whatever their other motives were for going into the academy I am sure their primary motive was to raise money, in this I include all the celebraties who have appeared on CBBC, BBC3, BBC1 and Radio 1, supporting their favourites it is all about raising the profile of Comic Releif and that way more people tune in on the night and more money is raised.

Having said all that, I remember being very disappointed last time that the final of CFA was a bit like a damp squib after having enjoyed the series, so I would not be surprised if this one was the same, they should really have the final night before Comic Relief, but perhaps it raises more money this way and it is just us fanatic Fame Academy fans who are left slightly disappointed

that is something i do agree with the final shouldn't be during comic relief.

Exactly the way I felt last time after watching the final.

The winner was announced & then that was it.

Maybe time for a stand alone final on Comic Relief night or on the Thursday!

Tez

Before it seemed that if Kim won, it would be a bit of an anticlimax, because she's done so well in the phone votes all along, making it a bit predictable.

But now if Edith wins, it will, to the same extent, seem like an artifact of the voting system or of Colin's ways of drumming up support for Edith.

And since we can't take how they perform tonight into account when we vote, unless we manage to squeeze in a txt, it's even harder to feel that the final result has the same sort of meaning as what's happened so far.

A win for Ade might make everyone reasonably happy, I don't know. (I'd still like Kim to win though.)

Yes, I know.
I can't lie to you, I feel really deflated at this news.

I'd been folowing it for 10 days and was genuinely thinking that this was easily the best FA series I had seen. I really got into it, and enjoyed every night.

The end game was building up nicely to a really mighty climax. It feels now that the last 10 days have built up to a complete anti-climax.

Now I just feel it's been tainted quite a lot.

Seems like the pooorest planning ever. I never thought the BBC could make such a bad a miscalculation as this with the timing.