after that episode I am even more convinced Jay and Abi had NOTHING to do with Lucy's murder

Abi WOULD NOT be able to keep it a secret, she freaks out over everything, her reaction to not getting into Liverpool was enough proof for me ~ she didn't kill Lucy

Jay didn't either, yes, it was him on the bus but I'm convinced he was off to meet Ben, if he wasn't off to meet Ben then the perfect opportunity to ask Phil for his help and advice presented itself early in tonight's episode in the garage, he didn't ask Phil for help because he didn't want Phil to know he was on that bus going to meet Ben

Of course its a red herring, they wouldn't unveil the murderer this early in the storyline and of course we already know that Jay is in touch with Ben at this point but we don't know why the secrecy in why Ben won't return yet.

This has just been thrown in as part of the storyline because so many people are going to be linked in some way to Lucy's death, they are gonna milk this as much as they can and all we've seen so far is filler, this storyline still hasn't moved on since the first week.
It really won't be worth bothering with until November at the earliest, trust me!

Oh come on it's obviously a red herring. Why would Jay have killed Lucy? He didn't have a motive.

I don't think you've been watching properly if you're coming to that conclusion. We've found out quite a lot since that first week.

It's a red herring and a massive one at that, Jay didn't kill Lucy, neither did Abi

Nothing that is seriously going to lead us to who killed her though, that was what I was getting at.

Sorry. I wasn't aware you had access to the story documents.

So your thoughts now? feel free to change them anytime

He didn't do it but knows a lot.

So he looked like a nervous wreck for months on end when Ben commited murder, but has committed one himself and has been pretty normal/chilled up until today. That makes no sense and isn't consistent with the character at all.

no he didn't do it, of course he was afraid to say he was on the same bus as Lucy, he was already involved in one murder cover up with Ben, he didn't want to be accused of another one...I still say Abi killed lucy..

It was Deano's beany. Deano came into the Vic wiping his nose after snorting coke yesterday, Deano was panicking about the pub showing the bus cctv. Jay recognised Deano on the clip. Why he burnt the beano is the question.

Bet jay saw Abbie do it

There's absolutely no way that they'd make it that obivous on August 15th. I think its far more likely that Jay was coincidentally on the same bus, and is now shitting himself that he'll get the blame. (After all, he's already been involved in the cover up for a previous murder)

If anything, I think he'd gone to meet Ben, and just happened to be on the same bus. (He might not even have realised until tonight). The logical thing for most people to do would be to go to the police, but considering what happened with Heather, he might feel trapped in a corner. (It doesn't look good that he'd be going to meet a murderer on the night that an acquantaince was murdered)

Isn't it obvious where this is headed?

Jay will be identified by someone and he'll need to prove he isn't guilty, so will need to explain what he was actually doing that night. His alibi will be the person he actually saw that night but who he wouldn't want anyone to know about because, y'know Phil.

This is simply the storyline to get Ben back into the show.

The idea that they've revealed Lucy's killer FIVE MONTHS before the end of the storyline is simply laughable.

Ithink he was off to meet ben, but saw lucy get on so put the beany on so she did not recognise him and start asking questions.

OMFG yeah!!!!! I bet he beat her to death with a giant red herring OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

Jay has to be the killer why go all quiet and burn the hat

All it said to me was that Jay had a secret, just like many of those involved with the Beales and beyond do, and that the secret probably had little to do with Lucy.

Anyway, considering how badly Jay reacted after Ben killed Heather, do you really think that he would act any differently now and be very cool having killed someone himself?

His reaction is based on the fact that people don't stop to think whether a person is innocent or not, no matter how long they have known them. The fact he only happened to be on the same bus will be good enough to for judgemental people to accuse him.

It is apparantly too easy to arrest the most convenient person.

dramatic effect, and to make the viewers think its something sinister, don't be gullible enough to get drawn in though!

Him wearing a beanie or not does not prove anything, I'd imagine in that part of London that many football fans own the same beanie, it doesn't prove they were on the bus or involved somehow.

The stupid thing is from the storyline point of view is this. If you were caught on CCTV in an appeal to the public, why would you not go to the police to eliminate yourself from the enquiry.
By burning the beanie and not coming forward, all he is doing is evading the police which will only look worse if/when you eventually get caught or someone recognises it was him from the CCTV images.

He'd be charged with perverting the cause of justice, just as he was in the Heather cover up, twice in the space of a few years, nobody would be that stupid to risk that again!

Oh FFS, he didn't kill LUCY. He burnt his hat because it could possibly be used as evidence against him so he's trying to get rid of it.

He is not the killer. It's just a red herring.

Have you ever watched a whodunnit storyline? Of course it wasn't Jay. They have 6 months to go, its called dramatic effect and a huge red herring.

Though I agree, I think Jay was going to see Ben that day and decided on balance that he was more scared of Phil than of getting into trouble with the police.

What I don't get is that if you look at the CCTV footage on the EE website he gets on before Lucy so he should have spotted her get on as he didn't go to the upper deck.