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Our Zoo coming soon to BBC1
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henry_hope
16-12-2014
I agree with Tourista, that no one in BBC was willing to fight its corner,because these days the consumer ratings are only a small part of any decision. A larger part is to do with commercial overseas market and which foreign channels like it.Its also about shareholders and whether they want to do another season.

These days rubbish gets foisted on the public if the vested interests are powerful enough...like with that hideous pantomime, "Viscious".

I just dont think there was any powerful interest gunning for "Our Zoo",despite its family audience,which should be a concern for BBC,considering its charter.
henry_hope
16-12-2014
Im wondering whether zoos being politically incorrect has anything to do with it?
Its a pity and also shortsighted because,in their context, zoos fulfilled a purpose, as mental hospitals also fulfilled a purpose in their time.These institutions have historical context. As this drama pointed out about zoos,in their origins both institutions were considered to have a therapeutic effect. Chester zoo had a role to play for those shellshocked by war etc, including the founder.

Zoos went on to develop a role in breeding programmes for rare species etc.That was pioneered by gerald durrell with his zoo on jersey. And its interesting that this weeks Countryfile on BBC showed employees of Chester Zoo working on the "dormouse" protection programme.

Much more could have been developed from this drama to show the history of the development of "zoos". They could have shown Chester Zoo facing those changes and bringing it up to date with the work they do now in conjunction with other agencies. In fact that would have made very interesting drama,bringing in other zoos etc and exploring the whole concept of zoos in society.

BBC was doing something innovatory with this drama. otherwise they keep churning out the usual stuff...detective shows,thrillers etc... How come they got cold feet?

Also someone else pointed out the effect of World War 2 on Chester Zoo. That would have been interesting too, especially since Peaky Blinders failed to address that theme in its second series.

There were so many possibilities, so why didnt BBC initiate them!?

Also, my daughter was very interested in the everyday fashion they were showing the characters wearing. She likes the history of fashion!

The more I think about it, there was so much potential in this drama and they only started to develop it. We need to open up the concept of drama much more than we do at present.
Liz_W
16-12-2014
Originally Posted by henry_hope:
“Im wondering whether zoos being politically incorrect has anything to do with it?
Its a pity and also shortsighted because,in their context, zoos fulfilled a purpose, as mental hospitals also fulfilled a purpose in their time.These institutions have historical context. As this drama pointed out about zoos,in their origins both institutions were considered to have a therapeutic effect. Chester zoo had a role to play for those shellshocked by war etc, including the founder.

Zoos went on to develop a role in breeding programmes for rare species etc.That was pioneered by gerald durrell with his zoo on jersey. And its interesting that this weeks Countryfile on BBC showed employees of Chester Zoo working on the "dormouse" protection programme.

Much more could have been developed from this drama to show the history of the development of "zoos". They could have shown Chester Zoo facing those changes and bringing it up to date with the work they do now in conjunction with other agencies. In fact that would have made very interesting drama,bringing in other zoos etc and exploring the whole concept of zoos in society.

BBC was doing something innovatory with this drama. otherwise they keep churning out the usual stuff...detective shows,thrillers etc... How come they got cold feet?

Also someone else pointed out the effect of World War 2 on Chester Zoo. That would have been interesting too, especially since Peaky Blinders failed to address that theme in its second series.

There were so many possibilities, so why didnt BBC initiate them!?

Also, my daughter was very interested in the everyday fashion they were showing the characters wearing. She likes the history of fashion!

The more I think about it, there was so much potential in this drama and they only started to develop it. We need to open up the concept of drama much more than we do at present.”

Henry, I agree there was so much potential for this drama. It really could have been something....


Our Zoo Series 2 petition
2392 signatures collected need more before 1pm on Dec 17 so #OurZooSeries2 petition can be sent to BBC:

http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/ne...tition-8292453
henry_hope
16-12-2014
So what were the ratings for Our Zoo?
Were they below 1 million overnight?

Just checked. According to Wikipedia they were getting about 5million in overnights,which is quite respectable,certainly more than Peaky Blinders was getting and that got renewed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Zoo

Shows you its not just about ratings....but some other kind of muscle power!
Liz_W
16-12-2014
Violence and aggression get enough coverage on television, having a bad, harmful and negative influence on our society. Let's find the good, positive and inspiring and show it some love....

Our Zoo Series 2 petition:
2433 signatures collected need more before 1pm on Dec 17 so #OurZooSeries2 petition can be sent to BBC:

http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/ne...online-8267100
J J
16-12-2014
The BBC left us with a cliff hanger at the end of the series of 'Our Zoo'. I want to find out what happened next!

Back petition to bring back BBC Our Zoo:

http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/ne...tition-8292453
Liz_W
17-12-2014
So sad no more BBC drama OurZoo I'll miss Mojo the penguin, Sydney the camel & Mortimer the monkey.


Lovely that the local residents of Cheshire tried to change the BBC´s mind:


http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/ne...tition-8292453
grazey1985
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by henry_hope:
“So what were the ratings for Our Zoo?
Were they below 1 million overnight?

Just checked. According to Wikipedia they were getting about 5million in overnights,which is quite respectable,certainly more than Peaky Blinders was getting and that got renewed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Zoo

Shows you its not just about ratings....but some other kind of muscle power!”

Peaky blinders was a bbc 2 show and got good ratings for a bbc2 show. You can't really compare the ratings with a bbc 1 and bbc 2 show. Peaky blinders was also getting quite a fair bit of mainstream attention which our zoo didn't have.Those ratings for our zoo weren't the overnight night figures though. That was the final consolidated figures. 5 million consolidated figures in the timeslot our zoo was in is ok though nothing special.
grazey1985
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by Liz_W:
“Violence and aggression get enough coverage on television, having a bad, harmful and negative influence on our society. Let's find the good, positive and inspiring and show it some love....

Our Zoo Series 2 petition:
2433 signatures collected need more before 1pm on Dec 17 so #OurZooSeries2 petition can be sent to BBC:

http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/ne...online-8267100”

The hour had over 25k signatures in its petition and the bbc didn't change their mind. Based on that With only 2k it has pretty much zero chance of happening.
Liz_W
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by grazey1985:
“The hour had over 25k signatures in its petition and the bbc didn't change their mind. Based on that With only 2k it has pretty much zero chance of happening.”

The petition for The Hour was started 12th December 2012 and by the 16th it had 1000 signatures, by February 5000 and it was not until the following November, 11 months later, did it have 25k signatures.

https://www.change.org/p/the-bbc-ple...ur-savethehour

So as the Our Zoo petition only started on the 10th December and has only been going just over a week, I guess The Hour signatures over the same time period were similar.

I know the chances of the BBC changing its mind is very unlikely but you can still sign the Our Zoo petition if you enjoyed the series and would like to see another one:

http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/ne...tition-8292453

There now 2689 signatures.
Liz_W
19-12-2014
A recent message sent to Care 2 supporters who sent a petition to the head of the BBC to ‘stop using our licence fees to fund animal exploitation!’

Chester Zoo insisted when the BBC filmed ‘Our Zoo’ that a vet was on set at all times, even if it was just the finches being filmed. The animals looked really well cared for and unfortunately today many of them WOULDN’T be happier in their own natural habitat.

I feel sad that so many people signed the petition and possibly put a stop to a series that raised awareness of Chester Zoo, its inspirational history and the role it plays today in conservation. I really feel the animals didn't suffer and in the UK many animals kept as pets in unsuitable homes suffer more.

I do care for the welfare of animals a great deal. However, I feel that the drama series 'Our Zoo' was an important story to tell and couldn’t be told without animals. The series has opened the debate about Zoos as well raised awareness of the vital role that some zoos DO today play in conservation and education. There are many zoos I would never visit and do think should be closed but I would visit Chester. It plays a vital role along with some other zoos in providing a refuge, raising awareness of animals threatened in the wild and helping in conservation projects.
I do feel, if you care about animals, that the welfare and plight of animals losing their habitats across the globe and whose populations are declining rapidly should be your main concern. What can be done about this?

In 1930. when Chester Zoo first opened. the orang-utan population both in Borneo and Sumatra, was estimated at 315000. A decade ago it was just 60,000 and shockingly today it is just 40,000. It is estimated that if nothing is done in just 25 years this species will be extinct.
This link made me cry:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature...yed-endangered

A growing human population and increasing consumerism, particularly in Indonesia and Malaysia where there is a booming young middle class, has been the main factor in the orang-utans decline. The global demand for palm oil, which is found in so many food and cosmetics sold in supermarkets, has increased and led to rainforest being burnt and being replaced by palm oil plantations. In Sumatra you can drive for a day through palm oil plantations which used to be rainforest and the home of orang-utans as well as rhinos, tigers, elephants and many other creatures as well as a vast variety of plants. Sadly all have been replaced by one single plant the palm oil palm. Palm oil has and is making some companies and people incredibly wealthy. The remaining rainforest homes of the orang-utans is mainly on the sides of mountains and even this is under threat. Orang-utans which wander onto palm oil plantations are sometimes shot. Palm oil workers often are uneducated and come from cities like Jakarta are scared of these creatures. I read of one orang-utan recently being found suffering with 40 pellets in its body, sadly it died.

In 1930 there was no TV, very few people could afford to travel and Zoo were places to visit to see exotic creatures, which people knew little about. The animal populations in the wild were much healthier than now. Unfortunately the animals weren’t often housed in great conditions often chained and behind bars. George Mottershead’s dream was to try to change this and create better conditions for these animals by building ‘a zoo without bars’ after he saw a chained elephant at Belle Vue Zoo. He also wanted a place where people could learn about these amazing creatures.
Today you could argue there is not a need for zoos as we have great wildlife programmes on TV and it is easier to travel. However, sadly I do feel there is a real need for zoos like Chester. which has been a charity since 1934, and has always had ‘at the heart of everything it does the welfare and protection of wildlife’. There is a need because the biodiversity of this planet today is under serious threat due to habitat loss and many species face extinction. Chester Zoo has evolved with the times and today its vision is for a diverse, thriving and sustainable natural world and its mission is to be a major force in conserving biodiversity worldwide.

I feel sad that there isn’t going to be a second series of Our Zoo. I feel it raised awareness of these issues due to the role Chester Zoo and its charity ‘Act for Wildlife’ now play and as more people visited Chester Zoo and wanted to get involved in their conservation schemes:
http://www.actforwildlife.org.uk/

I think it told the story of a man and his family’s struggle to improve the conditions of animals. It was inspiring to know that George Mottershead had the courage to show that animals didn’t need to be kept behind bars, that elephants didn’t need to be chained. It was the first zoo to separate chimps from the public by just a moat filled with water.

As a result of the series and due to the animals which appeared in it. More people have taken an interest in and care about the plight of the Bactrian camel, Humboldt penguins and Himalayan Bears in the wild.
henry_hope
19-12-2014
So it was the animal welfare lobby and politics?

There is some consolation to its closure.My daughter says she is happy there isnt a second series because usually she finds they degrade by the series, and she loved this show so much she wouldnt want it spoiled.For her, it is complete in itself. She has the dvd in her stocking for Christmas, but doesnt know it yet!
J J
19-12-2014
I feel sad that Our Zoo ended not only because I enjoyed it and definitely believe the animals involved didn’t suffer and actually appeared quite pampered, but also because it raised Chester Zoo´s profile and awareness of the vital role it and other zoos like it are now playing in conservation and education. It also told a very good story about a man who did care about animal welfare and was able to greatly improve the way animals were treated and the conditions in which they were kept.

I think Care2 probably will if they did indeed manage to persuade the BBC to discontinue the series or by them persuading people not to watch it through the article published just before series started in the Daily Mail have done more harm to animal welfare than good. For example, after the episode with the penguins, the number of people contacting Chester Zoo to adopt penguins rose significantly. The Humboldt Penguin colony consists of about fifty penguins, which are part of a European Endangered Species Breeding Programme. The colony has an excellent breeding record and many of the youngsters have gone on to join breeding groups in other zoos. The total world population of Humboldt penguins currently stands at around 12,000 breeding pairs, with about 8,000 pairs in Chile and the remaining 4,000 pairs in Peru. The population is currently undergoing a serious decline, and the major causes are thought to be over-fishing of prey species, entanglement in fishing nets and commercial guano removal.

Last hope for Our Zoo as Chronicle sends petition to BBC:
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/ne...-sends-8316676
Liz_W
19-12-2014
Just visited Chester Zoo today - recommend a visit.

http://www.chesterzoo.org/

Still hugely disappointed Our Zoo is not returning.

http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/ne...-sends-8316676
RoseAnne
20-12-2014
Rather than sign the petition (because I didn't like the conditions of ipetition) i filled in a feedback form on the BBC's site. Haven't had a response but didn't expect one, but the more people who at least register their disappointment over this the better.
What really annoys me is the stock reason we always get when they cancel a series. They are making room for new drama apparently. What is Our Zoo then?
grazey1985
20-12-2014
Big talk productions being taken over by itv a couple of months ago wouldn't have helped
henry_hope
20-12-2014
Originally Posted by grazey1985:
“Big talk productions being taken over by itv a couple of months ago wouldn't have helped”

What do you mean?
grazey1985
20-12-2014
Originally Posted by henry_hope:
“What do you mean?”

Big talk productions was the company that produced our zoo for the bbc. That company got bought over by itv. http://www.bigtalkproductions.com/it...ires-big-talk/.
J J
20-12-2014
Originally Posted by RoseAnne:
“Rather than sign the petition (because I didn't like the conditions of ipetition) i filled in a feedback form on the BBC's site. Haven't had a response but didn't expect one, but the more people who at least register their disappointment over this the better.
What really annoys me is the stock reason we always get when they cancel a series. They are making room for new drama apparently. What is Our Zoo then? ”


I wanted to let the BBC know directly how really disappointed and surprised I am 'Our Zoo', a wonderful family drama telling an important and inspiring story has been discontinued.

I struggled to find where to go on their site but in the end, I think I found it. I was able to write a comment (max 350 words) to them on this web form:

https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/faqs/forms/?ei...&uid=252656684

Looking forward to a reply.
J J
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by J J:
“I wanted to let the BBC know directly how really disappointed and surprised I am 'Our Zoo', a wonderful family drama telling an important and inspiring story has been discontinued.

I struggled to find where to go on their site but in the end, I think I found it. I was able to write a comment (max 350 words) to them on this web form:

https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/faqs/forms/?ei...&uid=252656684

Looking forward to a reply.”

This is the reply I received:

BBC
Thank you for taking the time to send us your views. We appreciate all the feedback we receive as it plays an important role in helping to shape our decisions.

It isn't possible for us to respond individually to comments, so this is an automated message to let you know that we’ve read your feedback and will log the details (removing any personal details) so they can be reported back to the wider BBC, including programme makers, commissioning editors and senior management.

Thanks again for contacting the BBC.

Best wishes

BBC Audience Services.

NB: Please do not reply to this email. It comes from an automated account which is not monitored.
Liz_W
21-12-2014
Just been out shopping in Oxford Street and saw all the advertising for 'Night at the Museum 'amongst the Christmas lights. Thought how exciting it must have been for little June and the rest of her family to have lived and slept in 'Our Zoo' (Chester Zoo) with so many animals living in Oakfield Manor with them then. It must have been quite noisy at night and I'm sure some interesting things would have happened...
J J
22-12-2014
It would have been lovely to have had 'Our Zoo' shown at a family friendly time over the Christmas period, so the whole family could have enjoyed it together.
Tourista
22-12-2014
Originally Posted by J J:
“It would have been lovely to have had 'Our Zoo' shown at a family friendly time over the Christmas period, so the whole family could have enjoyed it together. ”

Agreed.

I have posted previously about this very thing, and simply don't understand the BBC's perverse scheduling of Our Zoo, in fact was staggered by its timeslot. It was a show crying out for an 8pm slot, and with its mix of cute kids and fluffy animals was a definite pre xmas Sunday show, or ideal to take over from CTM when its run ended.
MrTheD
22-12-2014
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“Agreed.

I have posted previously about this very thing, and simply don't understand the BBC's perverse scheduling of Our Zoo, in fact was staggered by its timeslot. It was a show crying out for an 8pm slot, and with its mix of cute kids and fluffy animals was a definite pre xmas Sunday show, or ideal to take over from CTM when its run ended.”

Absolutely agree, I have rarely seen a programme that was so universally loved by those who watched it, barely a negative comment to be found from viewers or reviewers. It was simply a joy to watch and had so much potential to carry on into the next stage of the Zoo's history.

The only negative aspect was the scheduling, that is entirely at the hands of the BBC. Why should such a well loved, beautifully written, wonderfully performed series be cast aside on the whim of the same entity who doomed it before it was even broadcast.

I would love the series to be repeated at a decent time over the winter (early Sunday evening) and pick up the level of viewer ship it undoubtedly deserved and force a re-think in the appalling decision they have made
BellaRosa
22-12-2014
Originally Posted by J J:
“This is the reply I received:

BBC
Thank you for taking the time to send us your views. We appreciate all the feedback we receive as it plays an important role in helping to shape our decisions.

It isn't possible for us to respond individually to comments, so this is an automated message to let you know that we’ve read your feedback and will log the details (removing any personal details) so they can be reported back to the wider BBC, including programme makers, commissioning editors and senior management.

Thanks again for contacting the BBC.

Best wishes

BBC Audience Services.

NB: Please do not reply to this email. It comes from an automated account which is not monitored.”


Or in other words Stick you complaint up your a*se

These are the type of replies I always get from them
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