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UTV Ireland launches Jan 2015
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PatrickBateman1
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“If this backlash was to continue, they could always tell Ulster Television to sod off, remove both UTV and and UTVI from their schedule and replace them with ITV1 UK.....the ways things are going, most of their customers couldn't care less if UTVI vanished tomorrow.”

You are assuming that ITV would allow them to show ITV.
stv viewer
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
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So does that mean the new series starting on ITV on Monday won't be shown?”

No it is the new series on Monday the eps at the weekend are repeats
PatrickBateman1
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by gamez-fan:
“Does Still annoy me That people in foreign countries have access to the UK TV Stations We pay for eg BBC when we dont have access to theirs”

Pay TV operators pay for them too. Are you annoyed that you can get tv from elsewhere for free?
gamez-fan
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by PatrickBateman1:
“Pay TV operators pay for them too. Are you annoyed that you can get tv from elsewhere for free?”

i'd be less annoyed if i had Access to RTE since you know the Irish are getting the BBC

Edit the Southern Irish NI is afterall the UK
chinamug
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by gamez-fan:
“Does Still annoy me That people in foreign countries have access to the UK TV Stations We pay for eg BBC when we dont have access to theirs”

3 points there.

BBC and ITV are paid royalties by Cable providers in Ireland. They don't get them free

Under British law the Republic of Ireland is not a foreign Country.

A Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) was agreed between Ireland and the UK that all PSB's should be available across the Island. RTE/TG4 in Northern Ireland, BBC in the South.
pjh8
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“If this backlash was to continue, they could always tell Ulster Television to sod off, remove both UTV and and UTVI from their schedule and replace them with ITV1 UK.....the ways things are going, most of their customers couldn't care less if UTVI vanished tomorrow.”

I really don't think this will happen.. UPC seem completely stubborn, I've seen big demands for Channel 5 by UPC customers on Twitter every day that a series of Big Brother has been on and they just ignore it.
gamez-fan
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“3 points there.

BBC and ITV are paid royalties by Cable providers in Ireland. They don't get them free”

Free-Sat is Free is it not??

Originally Posted by chinamug:
“Under British law the Republic of Ireland is not a foreign Country.”

Well it's not part of the UK so it's foreign to me

Originally Posted by chinamug:
“A Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) was agreed between Ireland and the UK that all PSB's should be available across the Island. RTE/TG4 in Northern Ireland, BBC in the South.”

Well thats nice but how does that benefit me if only people in NI get RTE?? i pay my TV licence it doesn't change the fact people in the south of ireland are getting TV shows ive paid in part to create but i get nothing in return
chinamug
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“But UPC actually pay UTV for the right to relay their channel, isn't that correct? Bizarrely, it sounds like it's the other way around if UTV are trying to dictate what happens.....and yet UTVI surely need UPC far more than UPC needs UTVI.”

I don't know how much UPC have agreed to carry UTV, it would be on a par I would assume with TV3 and 3e as it's now An Irish Channel. However, if Carriage has been agreed, it's being agreed. If UPC pulled out it would cause hassle not only contract wise but with the Government, the BAI, and various other bodies.
chinamug
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by gamez-fan:
“Free-Sat is Free is it not??



Well it's not part of the UK so it's foreign to me



Well thats nice but how does that benefit me if only people in NI get RTE?? i pay my TV licence it doesn't change the fact people in the south of ireland are getting TV shows ive paid in part to create but i get nothing in return”

Well if you're talking Overspill a good part of Wales can get RTE plus Nearly all of Northern Ireland, plus small parts of of the UK can Get SaorSat if they really went to the trouble. That's about 4 million of the UK Population that are able to receive RTE TV, About 4 million Irish in the south receive BBC, so we'll call it quits
Eurostar
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“I don't know how much UPC have agreed to carry UTV, it would be on a par I would assume with TV3 and 3e as it's now An Irish Channel. However, if Carriage has been agreed, it's being agreed. If UPC pulled out it would cause hassle not only contract wise but with the Government, the BAI, and various other bodies.”

Are UPC under any legal obligation to show UTVI seeing as it is technically an Irish "terrestrial" channel?
chinamug
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Are UPC under any legal obligation to show UTVI seeing as it is technically an Irish "terrestrial" channel?”

I'd assume they have to carry it. The one that probably doesn't would be SKY, but it's an advantage to SKY to have any sort of UTV and they won't want to rock any boat.
gamez-fan
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“Well if you're talking Overspill a good part of Wales can get RTE plus Nearly all of Northern Ireland, plus small parts of of the UK can Get SaorSat if they really went to the trouble. That's about 4 million of the UK Population that are able to receive RTE TV, About 4 million Irish in the south receive BBC, so we'll call it quits”

Alright quits it is then
Eurostar
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“I'd assume they have to carry it. The one that probably doesn't would be SKY, but it's an advantage to SKY to have any sort of UTV and they won't want to rock any boat.”

I wonder if that's the real reason they're now showing UTVI and not UTV ie. they're obliged by broadcasting law to show UTVI but the owners of the channel are refusing to allow them screen UTV NI as well, as they are intent on promoting and establishing the new channel?
chinamug
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I wonder if that's the real reason they're now showing UTVI and not UTV ie. they're obliged by broadcasting law to show UTVI but the owners of the channel are refusing to allow them screen UTV NI as well, as they are intent on promoting and establishing the new channel?”

Well it's only been two days. Within the next 14 days things will settle down and most people won't be complaining (plus the UTV NI and UTV Ireland Schedule will be 80% the same.) I doubt that UPC will lose more than a few customers at worst over this, it's fair more likely they'll lose custom because of the rate changes coming in.

UTV obviously want everyone south of the border to Watch UTV Ireland as it'll make them more money and if they can get 60-70% of the southern UTV NI audience with the audience that TV3 were getting for the soaps and other ITV programmes, they'll be the second biggest station in the country with no real effort. Anything else in the first year will be a bonus.

Those that watch Emmerdale and The Street will continue to tune in. I've seen a lot of comments saying that they won't watch UTV Ireland ever (except for the Soaps of Course) but that's all UTV Ireland need starting out.
Eurostar
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“Well it's only been two days. Within the next 14 days things will settle down and most people won't be complaining (plus the UTV NI and UTV Ireland Schedule will be 80% the same.) I doubt that UPC will lose more than a few customers at worst over this, it's fair more likely they'll lose custom because of the rate changes coming in.

UTV obviously want everyone south of the border to Watch UTV Ireland as it'll make them more money and if they can get 60-70% of the southern UTV NI audience with the audience that TV3 were getting for the soaps and other ITV programmes, they'll be the second biggest station in the country with no real effort. Anything else in the first year will be a bonus.

Those that watch Emmerdale and The Street will continue to tune in. I've seen a lot of comments saying that they won't watch UTV Ireland ever (except for the Soaps of Course) but that's all UTV Ireland need starting out.”

Presumably it was the case that UPC had no desire to ditch UTV from their platform but had their hand forced by Ulster Television? It's surely of no consequence to them whether UTVI is a success or a failure, and if UTV is one of their selling points, they would have been more than happy to retain the channel.
chinamug
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Presumably it was the case that UPC had no desire to ditch UTV from their platform but had their hand forced by Ulster Television? It's surely of no consequence to them whether UTVI is a success or a failure, and if UTV is one of their selling points, they would have been more than happy to retain the channel.”

That's just it though. If we're to believe the TV ratings UTV NI wasn't really a selling point any more. UPC's main selling point these days appears to be the internet, Telephone and then the 100's of stations that you can get. One station here or there doesn't seem to bother them. As long as they had BBC and C4 they'd be happy enough and UTV Ireland will be almost the same as UTV NI. Plus UPC will have another HD channel that you can't get on Saorview, and HD is a selling point right now.
Eurostar
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“That's just it though. If we're to believe the TV ratings UTV NI wasn't really a selling point any more. UPC's main selling point these days appears to be the internet, Telephone and then the 100's of stations that you can get. One station here or there doesn't seem to bother them. As long as they had BBC and C4 they'd be happy enough and UTV Ireland will be almost the same as UTV NI. Plus UPC will have another HD channel that you can't get on Saorview, and HD is a selling point right now.”

I take your point but it's still the case that BBC1 and ITV1 are the two biggest channels in the UK by far, and UPC have just effectively lost ITV (unless the UTVI schedule ends up very closely matching the ITV schedule eventually).
chinamug
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I take your point but it's still the case that BBC1 and ITV1 are the two biggest channels in the UK by far, and UPC have just effectively lost ITV (unless the UTVI schedule ends up very closely matching the ITV schedule eventually).”

Of course you're right but They've really only lost ITV for a weekend or so. UTV NI and UTV Ireland look very similar most of the time from next week. Yes some programmes pop up in odd places but generally they do look the same.

Any programmes lost will turn up on TV3 and films lost are all licensed to either RTE or TV3. Really UTV Ireland weren't ready to start until the 5th of January but the soaps would have forced them to start on the 1st.

The big loss will be the ITV News and it wouldn't surprise me if it reappears in some format in the months to come.
Makson
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by gamez-fan:
“Does Still annoy me That people in foreign countries have access to the UK TV Stations We pay for eg BBC when we dont have access to theirs”

I did chuckle during the week when an episode of Eastenders, the Beeb's flagship soap, broadcasted on RTE a whole hour before it was shown in the UK!
SideshowMark
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“UTV Ireland would never have launched if it still had a 12-14% market share, like pre 2002.”

UTV Ireland would never have launched if TV3 didn't actively block UTV NI launching on Sky.
cnbcwatcher
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“No it is the new series on Monday the eps at the weekend are repeats”

Oh ok. That's good to know

Originally Posted by chinamug:
“Under British law the Republic of Ireland is not a foreign Country.”

It is to some people though. OK, we have our own government and law and the education system is different and we have our own culture but we do have a lot in common with the UK as well. We speak English (except in Gaeltacht areas, but that doesn't stop Irish being compulsory in schools unless you have an exemption) and we have a lot of UK shops. There are loads of branches of various UK shops in the city I live in. Oh and we used to have the Irish pound (punt) til the euro came in
stv viewer
04-01-2015
There will be less complaints tonight as UTV NI and UTV Ireland have the same schedule tonight from 7pm - 10pm.
tedjrr
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by SideshowMark:
“UTV Ireland would never have launched if TV3 didn't actively block UTV NI launching on Sky.”

That's probably true.

UTV are after-all only trying to recover a position that they held during the analogue years. Analogue overspill, coupled with unofficial re-broadcast by repeaters gave UTV a massive footprint in the RoI. Having a de-facto presence in a territory is very different to making a distinct distribution effort including infrastructure or contracts in what was really just overspill.

Going on Sky would have given them a significant part of their RoI audience back, significant that is in terms of advertiser desirable households that is. A UTV-NI, Sky version in the RoI may have been just a replica albeit one with black-outs over contentious rights.

Having to go on Saorview to mark-out their territory was the ultimate thing to do, but was forced as all the incremental steps would appear to have been blocked.

Surely, eventually UTV-I and UTV-NI will look virtually the same except for commitments made in order to assure the RoI broadcast licence? The things that are contentious this year will cease to be in subsequent years, ITV will not be showing Champions League, ITV's non-ITV Studios' commissions will be re-acquired in a UTV friendly manner, so they'll be less ITV material that can't be shown by UTV in the RoI.
irishfeen
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“3 points there.

BBC and ITV are paid royalties by Cable providers in Ireland. They don't get them free

Under British law the Republic of Ireland is not a foreign Country.


A Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) was agreed between Ireland and the UK that all PSB's should be available across the Island. RTE/TG4 in Northern Ireland, BBC in the South.”

What British law?
irishfeen
04-01-2015
Originally Posted by leslie123:
“With regard to UTV Ireland HD being available in the UK on Sky albeit due to a technical glitch, I can tell you that I have tried tuning my neighbours box and can tell you that the channel is not coming through. Now whether this is due to Sky becoming aware of this and adjusting the encryption accordingly or possibly my neighbour not subscribing to Sky Sports or Sky Movies only taking the Family bundle, I don't know. As I have an official Irish viewing card at home which can receive it, then it is hard for me to tell.”

As far as I am aware if you have a HD Sub in the UK then it is clearing when tuned in via other channels - its the same for us with the ITV HD channels.
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