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Old 09-01-2015, 23:22
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Apologies. I didn't read your post properly.

At least RTÉ has news bulletins at weekends and on bank holidays, unlike TV3 and UTV Ireland.
I'd agree with that. I would be disappointed if UTV don't introduce some within the next 12 months.
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:42
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UTV really seem to be giving news a go down South with their new channel - I'm very impressed with it. Flicked over to UTV live on UTVNI and the difference in quality was very noticeable - it seem very parochial while UTV had live reports from Paris and around the country.

While weather output on UTVI is OK and very much acceptable it's brilliant compared with UTVNI - they don't even have weather charts up north... Today it was reported that UTV Media are looking to sell up local radio stations in the UK - I just wonder do they see their long term future in Dublin rather then Belfast.
To be fair to UTV NI, and I don't like to because I can't stand the buggers, they are a regional station with no remit for national news, thats why they seemed parochial. The Paris terror would be covered by ITN for them. UTV I is set up as a national station so need to cover international events.
And I don't think they'll be moving to Dublin anytime soon as politically it would be impossible. Not unless they'd be happy to give up being the independent TV station for Northern Ireland. If they are I hope they go for it. You're welcome to them. And you can take Julian Simmons too.
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Old 10-01-2015, 11:43
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Again I would take newspaper reports with a pinch of salt, some of them were comparing Red Rocks Peak figure with Emmerdale's Average figure. Did TV3 release the figures for last nights episode like they did for Wednesday Nights?
The Journal had the ratings for Thursdays episode. The second episode bet both Emmerdale episodes:

"The show’s second episode was seen by an average of 302,900 people last night, after pulling in 323,000 on Wednesday.

That put it ahead of both the 7pm and 8pm broadcasts of Emmerdale on UTV Ireland, which attracted 285,300 and 266,500 people respectively."
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Old 10-01-2015, 13:30
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To be fair to UTV NI, and I don't like to because I can't stand the buggers, they are a regional station with no remit for national news, thats why they seemed parochial. The Paris terror would be covered by ITN for them. UTV I is set up as a national station so need to cover international events.
And I don't think they'll be moving to Dublin anytime soon as politically it would be impossible. Not unless they'd be happy to give up being the independent TV station for Northern Ireland. If they are I hope they go for it. You're welcome to them. And you can take Julian Simmons too.
UTVI have used a few reports from their northern reporters in UTVNI already but they will probably follow RTÉ in ending any major interest in the north - there is little interest in NI politics down here now as peace prevails. I presume UTVNI are not limited to just news from the north? .. maybe becoming like their southern counterpart (including international news) might improve the parochial feel. There will always be a UTVNI as long as the UTV Media group and the border exists, as you say it would be counterproductive due to politics to do it.

It will be interesting if they will show Pat Kenny's new chat show on UTVNI. I would imagine they will try to broadcast homemade content north and south where possible.. the reason I think their main base might move south in future years is because if the can challenge RTÉ they will may hay and you have to remember UTVI with encryption can go for any Irish rights (including those on the government FTA list) they want (US programming, major film rights, Champions League, Heineken Cup, Premier League etc.) ... it all depends on what their plan is. ITV programming will make them money but to make major money they will need to take RTÉ on.
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Old 10-01-2015, 15:44
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I'd agree with that. I would be disappointed if UTV don't introduce some within the next 12 months.
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Old 10-01-2015, 16:01
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The Journal had the ratings for Thursdays episode. The second episode bet both Emmerdale episodes:

"The show’s second episode was seen by an average of 302,900 people last night, after pulling in 323,000 on Wednesday.

That put it ahead of both the 7pm and 8pm broadcasts of Emmerdale on UTV Ireland, which attracted 285,300 and 266,500 people respectively."
Higher retention than I was expecting. If they keep it above 250,000 for the month it would be an excellent result for TV3 and give them a real chance of succeeding with it.
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Old 10-01-2015, 16:51
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It will be interesting if they will show Pat Kenny's new chat show on UTVNI. I would imagine they will try to broadcast homemade content north and south where possible.. the reason I think their main base might move south in future years is because if the can challenge RTÉ they will may hay and you have to remember UTVI with encryption can go for any Irish rights (including those on the government FTA list) they want (US programming, major film rights, Champions League, Heineken Cup, Premier League etc.) ... it all depends on what their plan is. ITV programming will make them money but to make major money they will need to take RTÉ on.
Due to their unfortunate financial state, RTE abandoned coverage of UK Premiership football a couple of years ago so there is indeed an opening now for UTVI to start buying in sports rights over the next couple of years and I'm sure it would be a ratings winner.
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Old 10-01-2015, 17:14
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UTVI have used a few reports from their northern reporters in UTVNI already but they will probably follow RTÉ in ending any major interest in the north - there is little interest in NI politics down here now as peace prevails. I presume UTVNI are not limited to just news from the north? .. maybe becoming like their southern counterpart (including international news) might improve the parochial feel. There will always be a UTVNI as long as the UTV Media group and the border exists, as you say it would be counterproductive due to politics to do it.

It will be interesting if they will show Pat Kenny's new chat show on UTVNI. I would imagine they will try to broadcast homemade content north and south where possible.. the reason I think their main base might move south in future years is because if the can challenge RTÉ they will may hay and you have to remember UTVI with encryption can go for any Irish rights (including those on the government FTA list) they want (US programming, major film rights, Champions League, Heineken Cup, Premier League etc.) ... it all depends on what their plan is. ITV programming will make them money but to make major money they will need to take RTÉ on.
From what UTV news i see they give Donegal a fair bit of coverage but i think thats because most, if not all, of it can pick UTVNI up fairly easily. At least they used to before switch over, and i assume its pretty popular.
If there is a major story down south theyll squeeze it in somewhere mainly if it has any bearing on up here, but as with you with us down south, theres not that much of an appetite for most RoI news here. Its parochial because thats what it needs to be here and i think it fills its niche well enough for its audience.
Youre used to one news bulletin to coverage all news on your channels down there, in the UK we've had nearly 60 years of getting the national and international news from the ITN and BBC for the majority of that time until C4, 5 and satellite came along anyway, and then getting the local news from the regional stations. Usually straight after.
Its just the way it works here. Its a different model from what most of you down there must be used to. I cant see UTV spending the money, effort or using the airtime to change to something there is not really any call for.


As for the Pat Kenny thing, unless anyone lives in an area that could pick up RTE and watched it regularly, i doubt if any of your TV personalities would be known very much.
Ive never lived anywhere that picked up RTE in the past. though ive always lived around the greater Belfast area, when i wasnt living on the mainland, dare say south of Banbridge or somewhere like that or west of the Bann its different, but the north east corner is pretty much RTE free or has been in the past.
I wouldnt know Pat Kenny if he parachuted through my roof dressed in a dayglo yellow parachuting suit with 'Im Pat Kenny' written all over it.
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Old 10-01-2015, 17:43
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Due to their unfortunate financial state, RTE abandoned coverage of UK Premiership football a couple of years ago so there is indeed an opening now for UTVI to start buying in sports rights over the next couple of years and I'm sure it would be a ratings winner.
It was reported that UTV bid for Tuesday night Chanpions League games against TV3 - if that is true then they obviously see a future in sports rights. Recently on Twitter UTV's MD said sport would become available as "rights become available"

Champions League, Premier League, Irish internationals etc would be massive business if they could secure rights.
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Old 10-01-2015, 18:04
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From what UTV news i see they give Donegal a fair bit of coverage but i think thats because most, if not all, of it can pick UTVNI up fairly easily. At least they used to before switch over, and i assume its pretty popular.
If there is a major story down south theyll squeeze it in somewhere mainly if it has any bearing on up here, but as with you with us down south, theres not that much of an appetite for most RoI news here. Its parochial because thats what it needs to be here and i think it fills its niche well enough for its audience.
Youre used to one news bulletin to coverage all news on your channels down there, in the UK we've had nearly 60 years of getting the national and international news from the ITN and BBC for the majority of that time until C4, 5 and satellite came along anyway, and then getting the local news from the regional stations. Usually straight after.
Its just the way it works here. Its a different model from what most of you down there must be used to. I cant see UTV spending the money, effort or using the airtime to change to something there is not really any call for.


As for the Pat Kenny thing, unless anyone lives in an area that could pick up RTE and watched it regularly, i doubt if any of your TV personalities would be known very much.
Ive never lived anywhere that picked up RTE in the past. though ive always lived around the greater Belfast area, when i wasnt living on the mainland, dare say south of Banbridge or somewhere like that or west of the Bann its different, but the north east corner is pretty much RTE free or has been in the past.
I wouldnt know Pat Kenny if he parachuted through my roof dressed in a dayglo yellow parachuting suit with 'Im Pat Kenny' written all over it.
The vast majority of the North can now recieve Saorview from across the border if they want - even people north of Belfast can receive it .. I would expect more and more people to try recieve it now as UK Champions League games go behind the BT paywall but it remains FTA down south.

I suppose Pat Kenny's new chat show would be a perfect way to introduce him to those like yourself who never heard of him before - could be a major ad revenue generator if it's a success north and south.
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Old 10-01-2015, 18:53
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The vast majority of the North can now recieve Saorview from across the border if they want - even people north of Belfast can receive it .. I would expect more and more people to try recieve it now as UK Champions League games go behind the BT paywall but it remains FTA down south.

I suppose Pat Kenny's new chat show would be a perfect way to introduce him to those like yourself who never heard of him before - could be a major ad revenue generator if it's a success north and south.
Pat won't be a major Draw north of the Border. UTV Ireland have gotten a lot right in the short time they've been going but Pat is a dubious decision at best. His show will draw large numbers the first few times it airs on UTV Ireland but then it will be down to the quality of the show and the jury is very much out. (until we see the show)

RTE has not been universally popular in Northern Ireland in either community, not because it's the Republic's Broadcasting Service but because it's from Dublin. In fact People from Northern Ireland would have the same attitude to RTE as people from Cork. It's too Dublin Orientated. The Difference in the past of course was that Northern Ireland had it's own Stations to watch, People in Cork did not. I used to live in 80% unionist places in the North in the late 80's onwards and they could get RTE no problem, but it was only watched when Sport was on and some American first Run programmes. They had little interest in the rest. (Glenroe was popular however)

UTV Ireland own programming seems to be aimed at everyone but Dublin. It's News covers the whole country, and the few other shows they've had on were about Donegal, and Farming in Ireland. Even it's Idents are from all around the country. Now this might change but even their non-reaction to the whole UPC issue (which is mainly a Dublin Problem) points towards this policy.
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Old 10-01-2015, 19:04
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The Journal had the ratings for Thursdays episode. The second episode bet both Emmerdale episodes:

"The show’s second episode was seen by an average of 302,900 people last night, after pulling in 323,000 on Wednesday.

That put it ahead of both the 7pm and 8pm broadcasts of Emmerdale on UTV Ireland, which attracted 285,300 and 266,500 people respectively."
Good Numbers for Red Rock and Good numbers for Emmerdale. In Emmerdales case they're already reaching end of 2015 targets. Don't know how long that will last as it seems to be storyline based how many tune in. Corrie is more habit forming.

As for Red Rock they really only need it to settle around 250,000 for it to be a success.
The next few weeks will be interesting as it could dip below that (something TV3 is very aware of) However, it didn't have a major drop off which was vital.

However that Journal report was shocking, publishing the sentence "Red Rock has reached a total of 711,400 viewers.' is just silly. If they were individual viewers TV3 are in real trouble as no one from Day one Stuck with it on Day 2! Plus if you add up figures like that, The Late Late had a total of 20,000,000 viewers last season.

Pity they don't just publish the figures raw and let individuals work out what happened rather than putting through the filter of a journalist who's probably busy and just cutting and pasting press releases. (I'm being generous there)
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Old 10-01-2015, 19:42
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Pat won't be a major Draw north of the Border. UTV Ireland have gotten a lot right in the short time they've been going but Pat is a dubious decision at best. His show will draw large numbers the first few times it airs on UTV Ireland but then it will be down to the quality of the show and the jury is very much out. (until we see the show)

RTE has not been universally popular in Northern Ireland in either community, not because it's the Republic's Broadcasting Service but because it's from Dublin. In fact People from Northern Ireland would have the same attitude to RTE as people from Cork. It's too Dublin Orientated. The Difference in the past of course was that Northern Ireland had it's own Stations to watch, People in Cork did not. I used to live in 80% unionist places in the North in the late 80's onwards and they could get RTE no problem, but it was only watched when Sport was on and some American first Run programmes. They had little interest in the rest. (Glenroe was popular however)

UTV Ireland own programming seems to be aimed at everyone but Dublin. It's News covers the whole country, and the few other shows they've had on were about Donegal, and Farming in Ireland. Even it's Idents are from all around the country. Now this might change but even their non-reaction to the whole UPC issue (which is mainly a Dublin Problem) points towards this policy.
Pay Kenny will be a big draw for them, him being so well known is a massive advantage .. Just remember how he brought massive listenership (and growing) to newstalk after his move from RTÉ. Of course it all depends on what kind of show he has.

I have no doubt Kenny will be brought out for the big political events too, the next general election will be RTÉ v UTVI .. Both now have a comprehensive network of reporters across the country - if anything with UTV having local radio they might be stronger.
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Old 10-01-2015, 19:53
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Pay Kenny will be a big draw for them, him being so well known is a massive advantage .. Just remember how he brought massive listenership (and growing) to newstalk after his move from RTÉ. Of course it all depends on what kind of show he has.

I have no doubt Kenny will be brought out for the big political events too, the next general election will be RTÉ v UTVI .. Both now have a comprehensive network of reporters across the country - if anything with UTV having local radio they might be stronger.
You didn't read what I wrote "Pat won't be a major Draw north of the Border.' Obviously in the South he's a big brand but in the north he's not well known. He didn't bring Massive Listenership to NewsTalk. His Numbers are good to be fair but not half as good as they expected. Sean O Rourke basically has the same numbers as the old Today with Pat Kenny Show on RTE Radio one.

I think that UTV will do very well with coverage of the Next election but I doubt they'll do anything more than an extra bulletin or two. They are very unlikely to clear a evening for The election. Remember they're here to Make money, and they know that most people will tune into RTE1 for coverage, No matter how good UTV Ireland is.

The first Pat show was a mistep by UTV. Pat had good lead in figures and lost over half the audience in a few minutes. He still has to prove himself outside of the Brandname of RTE. He might do so, he might not, but it's no where near a certainty.

Local comments in Wexford/Waterford (where I am) about Pat's first show were less than complementary.
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Old 10-01-2015, 19:53
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Not a bad Saturday night Schedule for UTV Ireland Tonight

7pm Stars in their Eyes
8.05 Neil Diamond: One Night Only
9.15 The Great Train Robbery
11.15 Spandau Ballet: True Gold
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Old 10-01-2015, 20:01
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Not a bad Saturday night Schedule for UTV Ireland Tonight

7pm Stars in their Eyes
8.05 Neil Diamond: One Night Only
9.15 The Great Train Robbery
11.15 Spandau Ballet: True Gold
It is up against

Rte 1

6.35 Shrek 2
8.00 lotto
8.10 The Million Euro challenge
9.10 News
9.40 The Saturday Night Show
11.00 Charlie

Rte 2
7.30 Top Gear
8.30 Father Ted
9.00 The Godfather: part 2

TV3
6.40 Ant and Dec
8.00 The Algorithm
9.00 The Expendables 2
11.00 The Restaurant

In my opinion UTV have the best schedule tonight I think there ratings will be quite good
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Old 10-01-2015, 20:06
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You didn't read what I wrote "Pat won't be a major Draw north of the Border.' Obviously in the South he's a big brand but in the north he's not well known. He didn't bring Massive Listenership to NewsTalk. His Numbers are good to be fair but not half as good as they expected. Sean O Rourke basically has the same numbers as the old Today with Pat Kenny Show on RTE Radio one.

I think that UTV will do very well with coverage of the Next election but I doubt they'll do anything more than an extra bulletin or two. They are very unlikely to clear a evening for The election. Remember they're here to Make money, and they know that most people will tune into RTE1 for coverage, No matter how good UTV Ireland is.

The first Pat show was a mistep by UTV. Pat had good lead in figures and lost over half the audience in a few minutes. He still has to prove himself outside of the Brandname of RTE. He might do so, he might not, but it's no where near a certainty.

Local comments in Wexford/Waterford (where I am) about Pat's first show were less than complementary.
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Ah ok sorry - I thought you meant Kenny in general on UTV.

Kenny's big skill is current affairs, he is by far the most competent political interviewer in Ireland - UTV imo will cover the next GE extensively .. Of course not to the same degree as RTÉ but Kenny will draw viewers no doubt.

It will be interesting to see if Kenny's show will be broadcast North of the border though.
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Old 10-01-2015, 20:08
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It is up against

Rte 1

6.35 Shrek 2
8.00 lotto
8.10 The Million Euro challenge
9.10 News
9.40 The Saturday Night Show
11.00 Charlie

Rte 2
7.30 Top Gear
8.30 Father Ted
9.00 The Godfather: part 2

TV3
6.40 Ant and Dec
8.00 The Algorithm
9.00 The Expendables 2
11.00 The Restaurant

In my opinion UTV have the best schedule tonight I think there ratings will be quite good
It is a decent Schedule but there's No Take me out and that will annoy a lot of people.
However, The only time their schedule will do well is 7 to 8, the rest of the night seems to be RTE 1... TV3 and RTE2 aren't at the races.

The Algorithm is on at the wrong time entirely and probably the wrong Night.
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Old 10-01-2015, 20:13
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In my opinion UTV have the best schedule tonight I think there ratings will be quite good
RTÉ 1 will win every hour tonight with that schedule - that's the problem for UTV and TV3.
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Old 10-01-2015, 20:15
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It is a decent Schedule but there's No Take me out and that will annoy a lot of people.
However, The only time their schedule will do well is 7 to 8, the rest of the night seems to be RTE 1... TV3 and RTE2 aren't at the races.

The Algorithm is on at the wrong time entirely and probably the wrong Night.
Did TV3 show the UK version of Take Me Out before I know they make and show the Irish version
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Old 10-01-2015, 20:17
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Did TV3 show the UK version of Take Me Out before I know they make and show the Irish version
Ya they did and still do as far as I know..
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Old 10-01-2015, 20:17
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Though the Winning Streak fans might already have switched channels now that Nicky Byrne's new show has taken over - (to chinamug)!
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Old 10-01-2015, 20:18
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RTÉ 1 will win every hour tonight with that schedule - that's the problem for UTV and TV3.
Do the Irish public treat rte 1 like the UK people treat BBC 1
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Old 10-01-2015, 20:20
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Ah ok sorry - I thought you meant Kenny in general on UTV.

Kenny's big skill is current affairs, he is by far the most competent political interviewer in Ireland - UTV imo will cover the next GE extensively .. Of course not to the same degree as RTÉ but Kenny will draw viewers no doubt.

It will be interesting to see if Kenny's show will be broadcast North of the border though.
I'm not saying that Kenny is not a skilled broadcaster and if he was doing straight News and Current affairs show it would probably be very good. But they've said that the show he does won't be that. When it comes to General Entertainment he's on far shakier Ground.

I would assume they would like to have as many programmes as possible shown North and South of the Border. Rare Breed would be an example of this. That show would attract a large Audience North and South of the Border, but it's not a Urban show by any means.

They do have form when it comes to showing shows in more than one region in the UK. Kelly was shown in Ulster and in Scotland for a good few years, plus he would have had a decent audience in the South as well (when the Late Late was having a boring week)
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Old 10-01-2015, 20:20
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Ya they did and still do as far as I know..
So UTV Ireland dont own the rights
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