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UTV Ireland launches Jan 2015
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sat-ire
13-01-2015
Originally Posted by theeddiemundo:
“It's a very lame excuse. The episodes of Foyle's war have aired in Ireland before, thanks to UTV.
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But only on one platform....
theeddiemundo
13-01-2015
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“But only on one platform....”

Yes, on UTV - the exact same platform that UTVIreland has replaced on UPC.

If they wanted to show the older episodes, they could have easily done so throughout the daytime or weekend schedule, and let the new episodes air alongside UTV.

This is taken from boards.ie forum on UTV Ireland:

Quote:
“Monday
8pm Rare Breed (New - Homemade)
9pm Doc Martin - Series 5 - Originally broadcast September 2011

Tuesday
7.30pm - The Cruise Ship - Series 1 - Shown last July 2014
8pm - Midsommer Murders - Series 14 - Originally broadcast March 2011

Wednesday
8pm Surprise Surprise - Series 1 - Originally broadcast in October 2012.
9pm The Bletchley Circle - Series 1 - Originally broadcast in September 2012

Thursday
8:30pm Birds of A Feather - Series 10 - Originally broadcast in January 2014
9pm Benidorm (New/Shown on UTV 6 days earlier)

Friday
8pm James Nesbitt Ireland - Series 1 - Originally broadcast in March 2013
9pm Undeniable - Series 1 - Originally Broadcast in March 2014

Saturday
6pm The Cube - Series 2 - From 2010
7pm Stars in Your Eyes (New)
8pm Neil Diamond: One Night Only - Shown 2 months ago on UTV
9.15pm The Great Train Robbery - Shown in December 2013
11.15pm Spandeu Ballet: True Gold - Shown 2 months ago on UTV

Sunday
7.00 Martin Clunes & A Lion Called Mugie - Shown March 2014
8.00 Foyle's War - Series 7 - Shown in 2010
10:00 The Graham Norton Show (New/Shown on BBC1 two days earlier)”

To have a channel like UTVNI which broadcast a lot of new shows, films and some sport only to be replaced by a channel, which only shows 4 new programmes outside soaps and news in peak time, including no decent films and zero sport.
irishmikee
18-01-2015
Yikes things not going too well for UtvI. Their 6.30pm ireland live news had just 20,500 viewers on Thursday, a < 2% share, with the 10pm news averaging 55,000 viewers on the same day. Since launching the 6.30 edition has averaged 31,600 viewers and the 10.30 edition 54,000 viewers. No amount of spin can make them figures look good. Since the start of the year TV3's news at 5.30pm has averaged 183,000 viewers, a 19% share and Vincent Browne has averaged. 102,800 viewers, a 12% share. (article in today's Sunday indo business section, can't link it, but available on their website).

Thank god they have Corrie and Emmerdale to inflate their share. There is no other programmes doing the business at the moment. And I expect the Friday edition of their 10pm news will be dropped soon, apparently it's dragging down the weekly news share even further.
stv viewer
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by irishmikee:
“Yikes things not going too well for UtvI. Their 6.30pm ireland live news had just 20,500 viewers on Thursday, a < 2% share, with the 10pm news averaging 55,000 viewers on the same day. Since launching the 6.30 edition has averaged 31,600 viewers and the 10.30 edition 54,000 viewers. No amount of spin can make them figures look good. Since the start of the year TV3's news at 5.30pm has averaged 183,000 viewers, a 19% share and Vincent Browne has averaged. 102,800 viewers, a 12% share. (article in today's Sunday indo business section, can't link it, but available on their website).

Thank god they have Corrie and Emmerdale to inflate their share. There is no other programmes doing the business at the moment. And I expect the Friday edition of their 10pm news will be dropped soon, apparently it's dragging down the weekly news share even further.”

Not good for UTV Ireland
Paul_Culloty
18-01-2015
Especially when you consider that the Irish television viewer likes a mix of domestic programming with their favourite import, and the news appears to be UTV Ireland's Dublin selling point - so retention rates after the soaps appear virtually zero.
chinamug
18-01-2015
It's a terrible article by a vested interest.

http://www.independent.ie/business/m...-30915637.html

There's no actual quote from Management...In fact it's possible no one from UTV was contacted for the article. This seems to be the case for all stations and the press you can't believe anything you read in any of the papers, (especially the Independent.)

There is no doubt they will be disappointed with the 6.30 performance but any News bulletin that goes out at that time has the major problem of going out against six-one on RTE1.

The 10pm figure is actually not too bad for a bulletin that's only been on for 2 weeks. That will grow given time.

However, Neither TV3 or UTV seem to be doing well at this time. It's basically who has the deepest pockets and who can survive the longest. Neither station would survive long term on those figures. UTV have made the mistake of assuming no one was watching ITV drama over the last few years (they were) meanwhile Almost all TV3's new home produced shows have been flops, there's a awful amount of judge Judy in their top 20.
stv viewer
18-01-2015
Does any one know why Mr Selfridge is getting shown at the same time as itv but not Benidorm. Is it due to Benidorm not being an ITV production
TelevisionUser
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“It's a terrible article by a vested interest.

http://www.independent.ie/business/m...-30915637.html

There's no actual quote from Management...In fact it's possible no one from UTV was contacted for the article. This seems to be the case for all stations and the press you can't believe anything you read in any of the papers, (especially the Independent.)

There is no doubt they will be disappointed with the 6.30 performance but any News bulletin that goes out at that time has the major problem of going out against six-one on RTE1.

The 10pm figure is actually not too bad for a bulletin that's only been on for 2 weeks. That will grow given time.

However, Neither TV3 or UTV seem to be doing well at this time. It's basically who has the deepest pockets and who can survive the longest. Neither station would survive long term on those figures. UTV have made the mistake of assuming no one was watching ITV drama over the last few years (they were) meanwhile Almost all TV3's new home produced shows have been flops, there's a awful amount of judge Judy in their top 20.”

I read that article and I suspect that UTV would have the greater staying power since it is by far the larger enterprise. Ideally, both TV3 and UTVI would survive to compete for Irish TV viewers with a greater range of diverse programme content but ROI's relatively small population of 4.6 million people might ultimately mean that there's only room for two TV big beasts - RTE and one other.
chinamug
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“I read that article and I suspect that UTV would have the greater staying power since it is by far the larger enterprise. Ideally, both TV3 and UTVI would survive to compete for Irish TV viewers with a greater range of diverse programme content but ROI's relatively small population of 4.6 million people might ultimately mean that there's only room for two TV big beasts - RTE and one other.”

I'd agree with this. I don't think there's enough advertising revenue in the country for both UTV Ireland and TV3. UTV Ireland haven't got a lot right but they still have the soaps which bring in a huge amount of viewers in Prime time. TV3 don't. Now if Red Rock takes off they have some sort of chance but otherwise my money would be UTV as well. if you take all Adults over 15 from the week ending the 11th UTV had 10 shows with 200,000 viewers or more (Coronation Street being it's highest at 348,000) TV3 had one with Red Rock coming in at 225,000. The Thursday ep that week got 188,000 adults over 15.

The big problem TV3 has is that without the soaps it has no way of building an audience for the rest of it's shows. The proof here is Red Rock. It built an audience on Wednesday and Thursday and the shows that followed were the 3rd and 5th most popular of the week. It has always been about the soaps.
stv viewer
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“I'd agree with this. I don't think there's enough advertising revenue in the country for both UTV Ireland and TV3. UTV Ireland haven't got a lot right but they still have the soaps which bring in a huge amount of viewers in Prime time. TV3 don't. Now if Red Rock takes off they have some sort of chance but otherwise my money would be UTV as well. if you take all Adults over 15 from the week ending the 11th UTV had 10 shows with 200,000 viewers or more (Coronation Street being it's highest at 348,000) TV3 had one with Red Rock coming in at 225,000. The Thursday ep that week got 188,000 adults over 15.

The big problem TV3 has is that without the soaps it has no way of building an audience for the rest of it's shows. The proof here is Red Rock. It built an audience on Wednesday and Thursday and the shows that followed were the 3rd and 5th most popular of the week. It has always been about the soaps.”

UTV also have Mr Selfridge next Sunday which is popular
chinamug
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“UTV also have Mr Selfridge next Sunday which is popular”

Indeed, but there is still a lot of leakage for both UTV Ireland and TV3 to Satellite outside of Cable areas (mostly Dublin) UTV Ireland and would really need to consider going HD on Saorview as soon as possible. (TV3 need to go HD full Stop) A example of this down in Waterford was last Monday when the Broadchurch followers in the office were complaining about the New Series (not supposed to be as good as last years) None of them watched it on TV3. They all watched on either UTV HD or another ITV HD region, basically because it was on a hour earlier and it was in HD.

Both TV3 and UTV Ireland will continue to lose viewers to UTV HD and other ITV HD regions, in TV3's case because of their poor, poor picture. In UTV's case because they're not showing the most up to date shows.
Paul_Culloty
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“I'd agree with this. I don't think there's enough advertising revenue in the country for both UTV Ireland and TV3. UTV Ireland haven't got a lot right but they still have the soaps which bring in a huge amount of viewers in Prime time. TV3 don't. Now if Red Rock takes off they have some sort of chance but otherwise my money would be UTV as well. if you take all Adults over 15 from the week ending the 11th UTV had 10 shows with 200,000 viewers or more (Coronation Street being it's highest at 348,000) TV3 had one with Red Rock coming in at 225,000. The Thursday ep that week got 188,000 adults over 15.

The big problem TV3 has is that without the soaps it has no way of building an audience for the rest of it's shows. The proof here is Red Rock. It built an audience on Wednesday and Thursday and the shows that followed were the 3rd and 5th most popular of the week. It has always been about the soaps.”

So the Red Rock audience has halved in barely four episodes?
chinamug
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by Paul_Culloty:
“So the Red Rock audience has halved in barely four episodes?”

I don't know, I haven't seen the figures for this week yet. However, TV3 would have expected figures to drop dramatically after the first two eps once the publicity went away. The question is can it get the figures back up over the next month or two. It's almost always the same with all new soaps. It took RTE years to get Fair City right. The problem TV3 has is that it doesn't have years. It probably has months. UTV don't expect to go into profit in the republic until year 2. So they have the money to stick around. The question is does TV3? To break even on the Soap they have to bring in 6.2 million (the other 800,000 is licence fee money) If there are only 2 eps a week they'll need to have about 300,000 a episode of over 15+ Adults.

The other big problem TV3 have is that None of their new Irish programmes outside of Red Rock and The Restaurant made the top 20. In fact UTV Ireland most mocked programme 'Rare Breed: A Farming Year' Beat everything TV3 showed with the exception of Red Rock that week. Obviously what Rare Breed had going for it was The Street before and after it. I doubt it's figures would have been half as high otherwise.

To be fair The Guarantee was co-produced by TV3, and had 122,000 viewers +15 adults.
irishmikee
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“It's a terrible article by a vested interest.

http://www.independent.ie/business/m...-30915637.html

There's no actual quote from Management...In fact it's possible no one from UTV was contacted for the article. This seems to be the case for all stations and the press you can't believe anything you read in any of the papers, (especially the Independent.)

There is no doubt they will be disappointed with the 6.30 performance but any News bulletin that goes out at that time has the major problem of going out against six-one on RTE1.

The 10pm figure is actually not too bad for a bulletin that's only been on for 2 weeks. That will grow given time.

However, Neither TV3 or UTV seem to be doing well at this time. It's basically who has the deepest pockets and who can survive the longest. Neither station would survive long term on those figures. UTV have made the mistake of assuming no one was watching ITV drama over the last few years (they were) meanwhile Almost all TV3's new home produced shows have been flops, there's a awful amount of judge Judy in their top 20.”

Regardless of the perceived quality, or lack thereof in the article, the figures are quite accurate. Under 2% share for their 6.30pm news is the stuff of nightmares for UtvI. As things stand I can't see the Friday 10.00pm edition lasting another month in it's current form, it's dragging down the weekly share for their late news. I'd imagine it will revert to a half hour edition pretty soon, I can't see it lasting though, it will be gone within six months. TV3's 5.30 news is doing extremely well. Audience figures and share up since Nov-Dec and staying up.
stv viewer
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“Indeed, but there is still a lot of leakage for both UTV Ireland and TV3 to Satellite outside of Cable areas (mostly Dublin) UTV Ireland and would really need to consider going HD on Saorview as soon as possible. (TV3 need to go HD full Stop) A example of this down in Waterford was last Monday when the Broadchurch followers in the office were complaining about the New Series (not supposed to be as good as last years) None of them watched it on TV3. They all watched on either UTV HD or another ITV HD region, basically because it was on a hour earlier and it was in HD.

Both TV3 and UTV Ireland will continue to lose viewers to UTV HD and other ITV HD regions, in TV3's case because of their poor, poor picture. In UTV's case because they're not showing the most up to date shows.”

But in the case of Mr Selfridge it will be airing at the same time as itv next week.

Also from next Sunday UTV Ireland will be airing repeats of Outnumbered at 8.15pm - 9pm
chinamug
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by irishmikee:
“Regardless of the perceived quality, or lack thereof in the article, the figures are quite accurate. Under 2% share for their 6.30pm news is the stuff of nightmares for UtvI. As things stand I can't see the Friday 10.00pm edition lasting another month in it's current form, it's dragging down the weekly share for their late news. I'd imagine it will revert to a half hour edition pretty soon, I can't see it lasting though, it will be gone within six months. TV3's 5.30 news is doing extremely well. Audience figures and share up since Nov-Dec and staying up.”

Figures are one thing, quality of Irish reporting is another. Trust your own eyes and look at the figures yourself. It is a terrible article. Some of the Stuff I have read about Irish TV and television in general in the press is third rate at best. I'm surprised they know what Colour TV is...

I'd agree with the 6.30 News but there's not much they can do with it at that time. It could be the greatest bulletin in the world and it still wouldn't do well because of Six-One...

If I were UTV I would put the News on at 5.55 pm and leave it run till 6.30 then go over to ITN for the News from London. I'd also reintroduce the 1.30 news from ITN.

Their 10.00pm at 55,000 is a good starting point, remember they're only on air 2 weeks. I would think they would be worrying if it were at that level in 12 months. Their ratings between 7 and 9 when they make their real money are already ahead of target.
irishmikee
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“I don't know, I haven't seen the figures for this week yet. However, TV3 would have expected figures to drop dramatically after the first two eps once the publicity went away. The question is can it get the figures back up over the next month or two. It's almost always the same with all new soaps. It took RTE years to get Fair City right. The problem TV3 has is that it doesn't have years. It probably has months. UTV don't expect to go into profit in the republic until year 2. So they have the money to stick around. The question is does TV3? To break even on the Soap they have to bring in 6.2 million (the other 800,000 is licence fee money) If there are only 2 eps a week they'll need to have about 300,000 a episode of over 15+ Adults.

The other big problem TV3 have is that None of their new Irish programmes outside of Red Rock and The Restaurant made the top 20. In fact UTV Ireland most mocked programme 'Rare Breed: A Farming Year' Beat everything TV3 showed with the exception of Red Rock that week. Obviously what Rare Breed had going for it was The Street before and after it. I doubt it's figures would have been half as high otherwise.

To be fair The Guarantee was co-produced by TV3, and had 122,000 viewers +15 adults.”

Rare Breed is not bringing money into UtvI. They will need to bring in a number of big hits, outside Corrie and Emmerdale. Both these shows are quite expensive to bring in and advertising yield is relatively low compared to viewing figures. If TV3 get Red Rock to hold numbers above 200,000 they will be extremely pleased. It will yield higher advertising revenue than either Corrie or Emmerdale did for TV3, even with lower viewing figures, per mian show. There is quite a lot of interest in Red Rock from a number of advertisers, who are watching out for the numbers. The lie has potential to grow audience numbers, it's doing o.k. Donal McIntyre and restoration nation are doing o.k too. Also whilst not overly significant, Late Lunch has apparently increased it's audience by over 20%.
irishmikee
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“But in the case of Mr Selfridge it will be airing at the same time as itv next week.

Also from next Sunday UTV Ireland will be airing repeats of Outnumbered at 8.15pm - 9pm”

You say that like it's a plus. It will get miniscule viewers.
cnbcwatcher
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by theeddiemundo:
“To have a channel like UTVNI which broadcast a lot of new shows, films and some sport only to be replaced by a channel, which only shows 4 new programmes outside soaps and news in peak time, including no decent films and zero sport.”

It's essentially another repeats channel and there are enough of those on cable and satellite. It's ridiculous!
stv viewer
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by irishmikee:
“You say that like it's a plus. It will get miniscule viewers.”

I didnt mean it to sound like a plus.

All star Family Fortunes is on TV 3
irishmikee
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by chinamug:
“Figures are one thing, quality of Irish reporting is another. Trust your own eyes and look at the figures yourself. It is a terrible article. Some of the Stuff I have read about Irish TV and television in general in the press is third rate at best. I'm surprised they know what Colour TV is...

I'd agree with the 6.30 News but there's not much they can do with it at that time. It could be the greatest bulletin in the world and it still wouldn't do well because of Six-One...

If I were UTV I would put the News on at 5.55 pm and leave it run till 6.30 then go over to ITN for the News from London. I'd also reintroduce the 1.30 news from ITN.

Their 10.00pm at 55,000 is a good starting point, remember they're only on air 2 weeks. I would think they would be worrying if it were at that level in 12 months. Their ratings between 7 and 9 when they make their real money are already ahead of target.”

ITN news is off the agenda apparently, something to do with a licence, I'm still waiting to hear the exact reason. They weren't too bothered or interested in it either.

As for ratings between7-9 being the money making hours, you've shrunk primetime considerably there. As I said, they are not currently and won't be making big bucks off the two british soaps. They were bought with the intention of anchoring their evenings and boosting the rest of their schedule. The audiences for the two soaps are broadly in line with what would have been expected.
chinamug
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by irishmikee:
“Rare Breed is not bringing money into UtvI. They will need to bring in a number of big hits, outside Corrie and Emmerdale. Both these shows are quite expensive to bring in and advertising yield is relatively low compared to viewing figures. If TV3 get Red Rock to hold numbers above 200,000 they will be extremely pleased. It will yield higher advertising revenue than either Corrie or Emmerdale did for TV3, even with lower viewing figures, per mian show. There is quite a lot of interest in Red Rock from a number of advertisers, who are watching out for the numbers. The lie has potential to grow audience numbers, it's doing o.k. Donal McIntyre and restoration nation are doing o.k too. Also whilst not overly significant, Late Lunch has apparently increased it's audience by over 20%.”

Rare Breed basically turns a profit in the North already. Money made in the South is a bonus. Advertising Revenue is Advertising Revenue. At the moment The Street is doing 300,000 -350,000 +15 Adults... and it's on 5 times a week. Meanwhile Red Rock is Doing between 180,000 -225,000 and it's only on Twice. Soap viewers tend to be the same, it makes no sense that a Corry viewer is worth less than a Red Rock viewer, and even if that was the case there's still nearly twice as many of them.

The lie has potential you say but it's not showing it at the moment. None of TV3's new Irish shows broke (expect Red Rock and The Restaurant) the 90,000 +15 adults. That's troubling by anyone's standards.

UTV Ireland has had a terrible launch, However it does have the figures that advertisers want. 3 Stations in Ireland have terrible numbers. RTE2 has the protection of RTE. The other two are exposed to Market forces, the question is who has the deepest pockets?
UTV probably are willing to give it 2 to 3 years. How long can TV3 survive low ratings?
irishmikee
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“I didnt mean it to sound like a plus.

All star Family Fortunes is on TV 3”

Family Fortunes will significantly outrate Outnumbered, even though it is a repeat. For some unknown reason it always rates well for TV3.

Stars in their Eyes is on the verge of being dropped or demoted with immediate effect on the Itv network. I'm pretty sure a blank screen on UtvI would've rated nearly as high as it did last night. While ITV can easily replace it, it will be tricky for UtvI to find something quickly.
chinamug
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by irishmikee:
“Family Fortunes will significantly outrate Outnumbered, even though it is a repeat. For some unknown reason it always rates well for TV3.

Stars in their Eyes is on the verge of being dropped or demoted with immediate effect on the Itv network. I'm pretty sure a blank screen on UtvI would've rated nearly as high as it did last night. While ITV can easily replace it, it will be tricky for UtvI to find something quickly.”

They would probably put the Cube on at 7 instead.
chinamug
18-01-2015
Originally Posted by irishmikee:
“ITN news is off the agenda apparently, something to do with a licence, I'm still waiting to hear the exact reason. They weren't too bothered or interested in it either.

As for ratings between7-9 being the money making hours, you've shrunk primetime considerably there. As I said, they are not currently and won't be making big bucks off the two british soaps. They were bought with the intention of anchoring their evenings and boosting the rest of their schedule. The audiences for the two soaps are broadly in line with what would have been expected.”

Primetime in My opinion is 7 to 11 in Ireland, it's probably 7-10 in the UK but we go to bed later. The trick is to win some of Prime time and UTV Ireland are winning some of it, 7-9 5 nights a week. I would presume other parts of UTV Ireland would win if they showed new shows rather than repeats. However, I am not seeing TV3 winning any of prime time on current figures (with the exception of Red Rock so far) Judge Judy at 5.00pm does better than most of it's Prime Time Schedule.
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