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Old 22-11-2014, 16:14
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A good point.

Presumably the gaps in ITV's schedule left by Champions League, the Cowell shows and Downton will be filled from ITV's own catalogue, and not involve rights contention. Whatever replaces Champions League will presumably be UK/RoI clear as would any other major drama commission.

UTV may have an aspiration to acquire some all-Ireland sports rights which would present the need to encrypt both UTV~I and UTV~NI.

In the not too distant future perhaps UTV in Ireland will function as an affiliate ITV region, with UTV~NI as a sub-region?
I think you are forgetting that UTV in NI has to be fta as its on freesat and a PSB so what you say about encryption is impossible!
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Old 22-11-2014, 22:12
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I think on nights were Utv ireland cant show the show that is on Utv NI, I think Utv Ireland will use the ITV back catalogue.
E.g
tonight
UTV NI
7pm The Chase
8.00 The X Factor
9.40 Im a Celeb
10.45 The Jonathan Ross Show
11.50 Itv news

possible UTV Ireland schedule tonight
7pm The Chase
8.00 The Cube (r)
9.00 Birds of a feather (r)
9.30 Utv News
9.40 Im a Celeb
10.45 Im a Celeb get me out of here now
11.45

Tommorrow

UTV NI

7pm keep it in the family
8.00 x factor
9.00 Im a celeb
10.30 news

Possible UTV I schedule

7pm Keep it in the family
8.00 Surprise Surprise
9.00 Im a Celeb
10.30 im a celeb get me out of here now
11.35 utv news
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Old 22-11-2014, 22:19
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So basically it'll simulcast all ITV shows, apart from those considered less popular?
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Old 22-11-2014, 22:27
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So basically it'll simulcast all ITV shows, apart from those considered less popular?
No we dont actually know but we are lead to believe that they will show all Itv shows except The x factor, bgt and Downton Abbey as utv dont own the rights Tv3 does. I never included Jonathan Ross as I didnt know where to schedule it
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Old 22-11-2014, 23:13
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Sport in Ireland is a big rating winner - GAA and Irish internationals (rugby & soccer) would potentially be very lucrative for UTV..
This wont happen. UTV Ireland is going to be a dull clone of another dull channel with very few differences.
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Old 22-11-2014, 23:24
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No we dont actually know but we are lead to believe that they will show all Itv shows except The x factor, bgt and Downton Abbey as utv dont own the rights Tv3 does. I never included Jonathan Ross as I didnt know where to schedule it
Don't forget UTVI will have the Graham Norton Show too.
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Old 22-11-2014, 23:27
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This wont happen. UTV Ireland is going to be a dull clone of another dull channel with very few differences.
You are probably right but as I have said UTVI will have to do sport and Irish content to make hay - ITV stuff will do to make them on par or slightly above TV3 (with the much improved current affairs stuff).
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Old 22-11-2014, 23:41
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Don't forget UTVI will have the Graham Norton Show too.
So they do. The thing they will struggle with is that they dont have a second channel so for example they would air Im a celeb then there spin off straight after so they wont be able to show Jonathan Ross at the same time as Itv. The only alternative they have is to air it on the following Friday
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Old 23-11-2014, 00:20
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So they do. The thing they will struggle with is that they dont have a second channel so for example they would air Im a celeb then there spin off straight after so they wont be able to show Jonathan Ross at the same time as Itv. The only alternative they have is to air it on the following Friday
Could very well put the spin off show online live and broadcast it later that night. Your right though having just one channel will create such problems.
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Old 23-11-2014, 01:38
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I think it will be encrypted in case they ever get ROI exclusive rights to anything in the future - buying rights for Ireland is massively cheaper encrypted then FTA for obvious reasons. I suppose it all depends on where UTV see the station going in the future years.
^^^ This +1. I think irishfeen's right on this one and that UTV Ireland will be encrypted on Sky whereas its NI sister station will remain free to air. Similarly, I don't think that UTV Ireland will find its way on to NI Freeview multiplexes either although, of course, it would be picked up in Saorview overspill areas in NI.
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Old 23-11-2014, 02:50
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Sport in Ireland is a big rating winner - GAA and Irish internationals (rugby & soccer) would potentially be very lucrative for UTV... I suppose it all depends on where they think their future lies. We have to remember too that RTÉ and TV3 have film rights for Ireland wrapped up so the ITV Studio catelogue could very well be used an awful lot to fill the gaps.

Quality Irish homegrown stuff would be IMO the main money making tool for UTVI in the future - Irish people are very loyal to Irish television. ITV stuff will make them money but to make hay they will have to tackle RTÉ's dominance... TV3 have failed absolutely miserably to take RTÉ on. Everything they have tried has failed because they seem to think cheap, tacky, showbiz stuff will win viewers - RTÉ's dominance (19/20 top shows in Ireland in 2012) show how far TV3 have fell short.

Its now over to UTVI to try chip into RTÉ's viewership.
While I agree with you that Quality Irish Programmes can be rating winners, I don't necessarily agree that people are loyal to Irish TV... They are Very loyal to RTE 1 and to Irish sporting events. If you strip out TV3's Soaps and RTE2's Sport they both have very poor viewing figures. There has always been a huge appetite in Ireland for UK programmes, even well before the start of Telefis Eireann back in 1961. Remember this is the same country that got a TD elected on the platform of access to BBC and ITV.
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Old 23-11-2014, 09:47
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While I agree with you that Quality Irish Programmes can be rating winners, I don't necessarily agree that people are loyal to Irish TV... They are Very loyal to RTE 1 and to Irish sporting events. If you strip out TV3's Soaps and RTE2's Sport they both have very poor viewing figures. There has always been a huge appetite in Ireland for UK programmes, even well before the start of Telefis Eireann back in 1961. Remember this is the same country that got a TD elected on the platform of access to BBC and ITV.
Lol so they wanted to rule themselves but have our tv and we in the UK let them! When Scotland wanted the same thing they were pelted down on the idea!
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Old 23-11-2014, 11:55
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While I agree with you that Quality Irish Programmes can be rating winners, I don't necessarily agree that people are loyal to Irish TV... They are Very loyal to RTE 1 and to Irish sporting events. If you strip out TV3's Soaps and RTE2's Sport they both have very poor viewing figures. There has always been a huge appetite in Ireland for UK programmes, even well before the start of Telefis Eireann back in 1961. Remember this is the same country that got a TD elected on the platform of access to BBC and ITV.
Well you say people are loyal to RTÉ One - RTÉ basically is Irish television almost exclusively ... Viewing figures show BBC, UTV, C4 etc make very little inroads into Irish viewing figures even though all are available FTA.
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Old 23-11-2014, 11:59
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Lol so they wanted to rule themselves but have our tv and we in the UK let them! When Scotland wanted the same thing they were pelted down on the idea!
Well we do speak English (thanks for that btw ) so British television is basically the only stuff we would be interested in Europe... Not to mention the BBC is probably the best state broadcaster in the world. Encryption on Irish channels means it's not a two way flow though - we get the best of both worlds where as you lot just get British stuff
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Old 23-11-2014, 13:02
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Well we do speak English (thanks for that btw ) so British television is basically the only stuff we would be interested in Europe... Not to mention the BBC is probably the best state broadcaster in the world. Encryption on Irish channels means it's not a two way flow though - we get the best of both worlds where as you lot just get British stuff
Lol no hard feelings btw I'm just comparing situations it would be good if the Irish channels could ether be fta on a UK and Ireland beam on Dsat or UK versions of the Irish channels created for the UK market!
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Old 23-11-2014, 13:21
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Lol no hard feelings btw I'm just comparing situations it would be good if the Irish channels could ether be fta on a UK and Ireland beam on Dsat or UK versions of the Irish channels created for the UK market!
Our small population and the fact that we are independent from the UK means that the mainstream Irish channels will never be FTA on 28.2 because RTÉ and TV3 buy rights for 4.5 million people - vastly cheaper then their UK counterparts. This is why UTVI will probably be moved behind the paywall too although the vast majority of the north will be able to pick it up via Saorview overspill. If UTVI is a success the UTV group could easily move their main TV focus from Belfast to Dublin.

The UK Television market is massively saturated but not Ireland and major international rights could be up for grabs if UTV so wish.
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Old 23-11-2014, 13:58
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Lol so they wanted to rule themselves but have our tv and we in the UK let them! When Scotland wanted the same thing they were pelted down on the idea!
It was about choice rather than politics, (as was the case in Scotland) Most countries in Europe would have enjoyed overspill from other countries. People in smaller countries like Ireland would have actively looked out for more choice especially when there were only one or two stations of their own.

This would be especially true when it came to RTE in the 80's when UK TV would have had more of a connection with the audience that RTE itself a lot of the time. There was a limited amount of home production shown on RTE1 at that time and almost none on RTE2. So if you weren't a fan of American shows it was off to the BBC or ITV (who showed far less American shows)
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Old 23-11-2014, 14:12
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Well you say people are loyal to RTÉ One - RTÉ basically is Irish television almost exclusively ... Viewing figures show BBC, UTV, C4 etc make very little inroads into Irish viewing figures even though all are available FTA.
That's just not correct. RTE1 has appox 25 percent share of the viewing Market. In fact if you lump RTE1, RTE2 and TG4 together you're only looking at about 35 percent. (RTE2 has very few Irish Programmes in it's top 20) TV3 at the moment is around the 11 percent but that's almost entirely down to ITV shows. The other 50+% of the Market are watching UK stations, either the tradition 5 or the Sat/Cable stations which are almost all British and have little Irish content.
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Old 23-11-2014, 15:13
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Coverage of UTV Ireland in the Irish daily mail today.
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Old 23-11-2014, 15:58
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From that I think UTV Ireland will have the Pat Kenny fronted show airing on there first night possibly after the soaps
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Old 23-11-2014, 16:04
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Are Utv Ireland contracted to shown the UK soaps at the same time as ITV as having the 2 friday eps of Corrie on a Sunday would be good in the Autumn when Itv are showing The X Factor from 8-9
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Old 23-11-2014, 16:19
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Are Utv Ireland contracted to shown the UK soaps at the same time as ITV as having the 2 friday eps of Corrie on a Sunday would be good in the Autumn when Itv are showing The X Factor from 8-9
I would presume that UTV can show the soaps any time they wish as long as the start time is not more than a minute or two ahead of the ITV network. However, They will almost certainly show the soaps at exactly the same time as the network, otherwise soap viewers with dishes will just turn over to another ITV region.

TV3 have held back ITV shows in the past (such as downton abbey) and half the audience went off to UTV/ITV. There is plenty of ITV Drama in the Vaults that UTV can use to fill up that 8 to 9 slot. However if UTV do get the advertising spend they're projecting, TV3 might not be around to show X-factor next autumn.
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Old 23-11-2014, 17:04
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I would presume that UTV can show the soaps any time they wish as long as the start time is not more than a minute or two ahead of the ITV network. However, They will almost certainly show the soaps at exactly the same time as the network, otherwise soap viewers with dishes will just turn over to another ITV region.

TV3 have held back ITV shows in the past (such as downton abbey) and half the audience went off to UTV/ITV. There is plenty of ITV Drama in the Vaults that UTV can use to fill up that 8 to 9 slot. However if UTV do get the advertising spend they're projecting, TV3 might not be around to show X-factor next autumn.
I take it if TV 3 closed UTV would but the rights to X Factor
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Old 23-11-2014, 18:27
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I take it if TV 3 closed UTV would but the rights to X Factor
There would be no one else to buy them in the Irish Market. That's why TV3 played hardball with ITV and the soaps. They assumed that there was no one else around to bid for them. UTV kept their Republic project very quiet. UTV people have pointed out that if they hadn't got the soaps that UTV Ireland would have been a non runner.
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Old 24-11-2014, 09:51
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I think it will be in HD as Utv in Northern Ireland is in HD
Not on Saorview. The exorbitant amounts being charged for HD allocation (I think over a million a year) on Saorview will put paid to that. Maybe UTV Ireland will be HD on satellite, but lots of heated negotiations ahead.
It costs about the same or slightly more for carriage of a HD channel on UK Freeview, but viewing figures are an order of magnitude bigger in the UK.
So 2RN will need to come up with a fairer pricing structure and fast.
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