What a vivid imagination you have.

You have to live as the corrected sex for two years, and demonstrate that you intend it to be permanent.
Lots of people don't ever have the surgery.

well i,m afraid kelly fails the criteria then doesnt he? He,s only been like this a couple of months so clearly not the stipulated 2 years & the way hes talking doesnt indicate that hes 100% sure himself of what hes doing so i think it is you with the "vivid imagination" if you think he is a woman,another thing,these "women" that never have the operation,how do they explain waking up in the morning with an erection?,not very ladylike is it?

Frank screwed Frank.

It is your mind that counts not your personality. If Kellie says she is woman then she is. What difference does it make to the rest of us? She said she lived as a woman for two years previously, and is a year into it this time.
She doesn't seem the particularly "feminine" type, but not all women are, and not all men are "manly"
The surgery is complicated, expensive and often not very effective so a lot of people just stick with what they have got. For many, it is being treated as the correct sex that is important, and not so much the bits and bobs.
Kellie does seem a bit distressed and confused.

There's no way she's ready to give Frank up yet.

I seriously wish she'd just bog off. She's one of the most boring housemates ever to appear on the show.

but you said he,d have to demonstrate he intends to make it permanent in order for him to be recognised as a woman,now you are saying that he is distressed and confused so once again that further proves hes not a woman,you seem to think he is a woman well what happens if he doesnt have the op & decides to go back to frank,would he have still been a woman? You can put a pig in a dress but it is still a pig

The only person who can decide which sex they want to live as is kellie. Or Frank. I dont think it is the sort of thing you can make a snap decision about.
Being distressed and confused doesnt mean he isnt trapped in the wrong body, and nor does it mean he is, but the process is bound to be upsetting and difficult, don't you think?

If Kellie wants to be known as a woman we call her she and if he wants to known as a man we call him he. We don't need to know the ins and outs to be polite.

Your comment about the pig is spot on. You can put a girl in a boys body from birth, but she is still a girl!

Ok, i agree with several of your points but in my opinion he is a man,i respect your right to call him a woman also,we,ll agree to disagree cos it is starting to feel almost like i am having a bit of a go at you and i really dont intend to do that.....peace out

You too Lucky lad.

you can put a dress on a pig and its still a pig. You can put a dress on a boy and its still MALE.

I person can live however they wish, if a guy wants to wear a dress or makeup, i dont care. My issue is that calling yourself a woman, or a Dog or a mushroom doesnt make it so.

Lots of people feel different and often search for an answer. Sometimes they are led to the answer that they are a different gender.

I'm all for the years of cautious investigation , counselling and trying to integrate BEFORE having the surgery.

Very well said. Totally agree.

Well said! I agree.

Oh yes, agree totally about taking it VERY slowly before the surgery.

It is not my place to tell people what they should or should not be, but I find it sad that people have to go through such a lot of pain in the hope of being accepted for who they are.
If we could do that, bodies wouldn't matter.

Just back from a Kellie-based ban - my comment was serious and I was surprised to find that it had given offence, but there you go.

Kellie/Frank's sulk tonight was very funny. I do think he/she may walk. It must be a very difficult tightrope to negotiate.

Kellie recently commented that he 'still thinks like a heterosexual male'. This from a man now claiming Trans status, who says he's been a 'woman' since early childhood.

I must say she's the least convincing transsexual ever. She's coming across as a very masculine bloke in a dress and a wig......anyone would think it would just some random guy doing it for a bet.

Yes, indeed!