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Shoppy
28-08-2014
Originally Posted by jackjack1984:
“Valeyard related

Spoiler
we did see a large explosion in the first half of the regeneration, could the valeyard have been created in that moment. "sometime between his 12th and final regeneration"

although I like the idea of the valeyard being the second 10th Dr whose trapped in another universe. now that would be a good multi Dr story.
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By not dying at Trenzalore the Doctor has changed his own future.

Until The Time Of The Doctor, the Eleventh Doctor WAS the final incarnation.

With that In mind, I personally think if the Valeyard is around as a separate entity, it would have to be because he escaped as a separate consciousness when the Ganger Doctor was created and the last time we saw him he was a bundle of nasty thoughts hiding in a pile of ganger gloop
jackjack1984
28-08-2014
Quote:
“By not dying at Trenzalore the Doctor has changed his own future.

Until The Time Of The Doctor, the Eleventh Doctor WAS the final incarnation.

With that In mind, I personally think if the Valeyard is around as a separate entity, it would have to be because he escaped as a separate consciousness when the Ganger Doctor was created and the last time we saw him he was a bundle of nasty thoughts hiding in a pile of ganger gloop”

Ah but! if the Valeyard is part of, but exists outside of the doctors timeline. he is from the future and his creation could be seen as a fixed point in time, from the vaylards point of view the doctor was always going to get extra regenerations, was never going to die at Trenzalore and he would be created.

the 11th doctor was crying over nothing and was always going to regenerate into 13. (we saw his eyes in the 50th). the real question is what would have happened if the valeyard won in "trial of the timelord" and had taken 6's remaining regenerations. He would never have been created, so he could never have taken them and would exploded in a puff of logic. with 6 popping back into existence...
chattswho
28-08-2014
No explanation but i'm going for either clara in the future or






susan.
rumpleteazer
28-08-2014
Originally Posted by Firegazer:
“And Death's boyfriend is the Doctor.”

Thinking about the Death theory a quote popped into my head. In the Discworld books ones of the characters, Vimes, sees Death as he's trying to escape an underground cave. When he's established that he's not dying Death reveals that when Vimes is having a near Death experience that means that Death must have a near Vimes experience. The Doctor has had many near Death experiences so maybe this version of Death became obsessed with him during her near Doctor experiences
Manta51
28-08-2014
From the Dyffryn Gardens website...http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/dyff...r-information/

'Notice: There will be some disruption to the gardens this week as we have a film crew in. The Pompeian Garden will be restricted access on Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday with it completely closed on Thursday. We apologise for any inconvenience caused. '

No date on it though...wonder if this means there will be more from Missy...

Joe_Zel
28-08-2014
I thought they'd wrapped filming.
Virgil Tracy
28-08-2014
I don't know who she is but I reckon Michelle Gomez is gonna have a tremendous time playing her .
QuantumLeap
28-08-2014
Dalek Caan in human form.
paulsh1
28-08-2014
Originally Posted by Shoppy:
“I think Missy is the TARDIS ”

Or maybe the Master's TARDIS?
QueenAmy
28-08-2014
If she's River Song or the Master I'll honestly consider on never watching the show again
Residents Fan
01-09-2014
The Doctor's Daughter Jenny turned evil.
MinkytheDog
01-09-2014
Let's say - for now - that she's a completely new character and really is some sort of "angle" in some version of "heaven"...

...we can say that the Doctor really does "die" and is "reborn" cos he's not simply "made better" and there is even a "birth pain" involved.

So maybe there's a time related element involved. Just as dreams can last minutes but feel like hours within the dream, what if that split second when 11 changed into 12 had the Doctor in "Heaven" for "a thousand years" - so he really may have known "Missy". She'd only know him by his "death" face cos he wouldn't become 12 until he was "reborn" - hence her surprise/delight at his new voice.

As for him being her "boyfriend" - maybe the much younger looking 11 was her "boy<SPACE>friend" - the only others we've seen in "heaven" are a girl and a cyborg.

All that with another "more facts about timelords" type plot (in keeping with many others since 2005) and no need for Missy to be anyone we've met before.
Alrightmate
02-09-2014
Originally Posted by TheSilentFez:
“I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm now starting to think this is possible.
But, Moffat did say he thinks the Master's story is done and I don't think he lies as much as some people like to make out so I'm still not totally convinced she's the Master.
We'll see...

Incidently, how do you think a female Master would go down? Would people be angry? Or would they welcome the idea?”

Well I thought that she's probably a female regeneration of The Master.

Especially when it appeared to be a female hand which picked up The Master's ring when his previous body was burning.
Alrightmate
02-09-2014
Originally Posted by JohnnyForget:
“Could well be, but that means that if Time Lords can change sex after a regeneration then it could also possibly be the Meddling Nun! ”

I get the feeling that she/he may have just gone into a different body rather than a straightforward regeneration.
I'm sure that i remember one or two Doctor Who experts on here years ago mentioning that he'd done something like this before.
G_G1
02-09-2014
.... She could be the TARDIS..... But perhaps she's the Great Intelligence, gone completely batty from jumping into the Doctor's time line....

No idea why she would be "collecting" dead folk - so far a baddie who suicided (perhaps) and a human that gave her life to save the Doctor and Co.
doctor blue box
02-09-2014
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Well I thought that she's probably a female regeneration of The Master.

Especially when it appeared to be a female hand which picked up The Master's ring when his previous body was burning.”

We were shown exactly who that hand belonged to in the end of time.
Virgil Tracy
02-09-2014
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“We were shown exactly who that hand belonged to in the end of time.”

who was it ?
Corwin
02-09-2014
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“who was it ?”

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Trefusis
The Alpha Gamer
02-09-2014
Originally Posted by TheSilentFez:
“Incidently, how do you think a female Master would go down? Would people be angry? Or would they welcome the idea?”

I'd be angry, but that's less about it being a woman and more about it not being John Simm.
The Alpha Gamer
02-09-2014
Originally Posted by Shoppy:
“By not dying at Trenzalore the Doctor has changed his own future.

Until The Time Of The Doctor, the Eleventh Doctor WAS the final incarnation.

With that In mind, I personally think if the Valeyard is around as a separate entity, it would have to be because he escaped as a separate consciousness when the Ganger Doctor was created and the last time we saw him he was a bundle of nasty thoughts hiding in a pile of ganger gloop ”

My personal theory is that either the Valeyard is a future incarnation of The DoctorDonna, or is waiting on the other side of the Crack, having been created when 10 forced his own people back into the war.
Alrightmate
03-09-2014
Originally Posted by fallfallfall:
“shes death last episode is called death in heaven”

Originally Posted by Firegazer:
“And Death's boyfriend is the Doctor.”

You might be on the right lines there. It's simple but it makes sense.
The Missy being The Master idea is quite probably a deliberate red herring as it's probably too obvious. Which is probably supposed to mislead people.

In 'into The Dalek' one of the features of the story was that the Dalek saw The Doctor as evil, and liked it, and took inspiration from it to be a mass murderer of Daleks.
He's also asked Clara if he is a good person.
He also practically murdered that soldier bloke and didn't bat an eyelid.
To me these kinds of things appear to be foreshadowing what is probably to come later in the series.

If this theory is right obviously she won't literally be death, but a metaphor for death all the same.

This Missy is possibly as somebody else speculated, like an incarnation of The Dream Lord. She might even be another manifestation of The Tardis itself, like in that Doctor's Wife episode. Perhaps like a conscience which buries all the bad stuff The Doctor does as he sweeps it under the carpet and forgets about it.
The garden probably is a Tardis, but not another Tardis, just an interpretation of The Doctor's own Tardis.
The people who die (or who are sacrificed by The Doctor) are possibly vacuumed up into the Tardis and exist as a terrible reminder of what he's done. I can see how this may be held up to him like a mirror later on in the series.
Alrightmate
03-09-2014
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“We were shown exactly who that hand belonged to in the end of time.”


Were we? I must have completely forgotten.
Anyway I've changed my mind about her being The Master now. I don't think they'd make it that easy to guess.
Alrightmate
03-09-2014
Originally Posted by Ulsterguy:
“Did I hear her right saying about the Doctors accent 'I think I'll keep it'?”

The does suggest that she might be some kind of mirror of The Doctor in some capacity. If not The Dream Lord, something very similar.
The Valeyard has been name-checked in the last series so that character is still a definite possibility too.
Alrightmate
03-09-2014
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I see what you mean now. Of course it makes sense the aspect would change just as the Doctor's has and what with the new aspect mimicking his Scottish accent and the 'girlfriend' comment, I think you are spot on.”

That's the line I'm leaning towards too. The Doctor made a point of asking why he had the new face that he has, as if it was a kind of subconscious choice. Which may bear some relevance later too.
I would imagine that The Tardis chose to look like Suranne Jones before because it was the right face for that Doctor at the time, and if Missy is the same sort of manifestation then she is probably the right face for this Doctor.
Alrightmate
03-09-2014
Originally Posted by Shrimps:
“I haven't read the rest of the thread, but I agree with anyone who thinks Missy is the Valeyard. I've broken down the reasoning behind my inevitably completely wrong theory below:-

1. She said she'd keep the Scottish accent, because she's expecting to become the (next) Doctor herself.

2. This is the producers sneaky way of seeing how people would react to a female Doctor. Clara's long winded angst/Matt's cameo gave the impression that they were nervous just about an older Doctor. This way the (sort of) Doctor is female, but if viewer reaction is negative, then she doesn't really count.

3. Some viewers seemed to think that her garden layout resembled the TARDIS console - anticipating her eventual home?

4. With Gallifrey back in existence, why would other Time-Lords be so interested in targeting the Doctor? He hasn't stumbled on a plan, which he's then foiled, he's being actively worked against. Weren't the Master's last actions pro-Doctor? Isn't he sane now? Maybe he misses the sound of the drums...

5. The Valeyard is trying to bring out the bad side of the Doctor - killing or causing the death of the clockwork chap is just a start. Maybe there'll be other such casualties over the weeks. We'll think it's just part of the new 'darker Doctor - how many people are already saying they like the fact that the Doctor might have killed? Missy wants to ensure that when he regenerates, he's such an unpleasant character, she comes into existence. Or something.

6. She passed the Doctor's number on to Clara in 'Bells' to ensure that she'd be on site to prevent the Great Intelligence rewriting the Doctor's life.

7. That's why the TARDIS sometimes seemed to not like Clara - because despite the fact that she saved the Doctor (you'd think the TARDIS would love her) she might somehow lead to the Doctor being 'replaced' by the Valeyard.
Spoiler
If the rumour that Clara leaves, maybe even dies is true and it's somehow because of the Doctor, that could be the final act that turns cuddly Eleven into evil harpie Thirteen/One via ambiguous Twelve


Even by my low standards of deduction, all of this is extremely unlikely, but I've had some wine...”

You make some very compelling points.
In regards to The Tardis decor it seems to get redesigned by different regenerations of The Doctor. Boys like techy things and flashy lights, so maybe if this was The Valeyard she'd like the Tardis decor to be something like the garden.
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