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Argh, I still have 18 days to go! I can't stand it!
Glad you had such a fantastic time. I think we've all got songs we wish she was doing but I think your post likely represents what most people attending will feel after seeing Kate live, despite what the vocal minority on this forum are trying to get everyone to believe. |
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I was getting snarky with the person who was getting snarky with me.
I can sense your musical snobbery loud and clear. . |
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Brave in the Musical sense i meant as well you might have known. The word "Brave in a music forum" usually means an artist doing something they might not usually have been expected to do. A bit like Kate Bush is doing now. |
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The main body of the show won't change. The beginning and the encore might change but two performances in and it hasn't. It might do in the future.
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I think the venue is relevant to a degree. If it was announced for National Theatre then most would automatically assume a theatrical performance. But then looking at her 79 tour, that was quite visual and theatrical anyway. Kate has always been quite theatrical so it's not really a surprise. Kate also has a connection to The Apollo. In a sense it's almost like returning home. Quote:
As I have said before, she is telling a story. Aerial and Ninth Wave both tell a story and they accompany each other quite well. To throw in random songs amongst it would be jarring and not fit the narrative she has planned. Quote:
She has no duty to play the "hits", she is however putting on something quite special. Also, not to nit pick, but Aerial isn't even 10 years old yet
i thought ariel was 2003 actually Quote:
Plus she has already performed some of the hits live, in 79. Whilst it was a long time ago, it would be like repeating herself if she stuck to those songs. She has other beautiful work that needs to be played live. There are some classics in there, but then everyone has different favourites. |
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A statement like "it's a music business" is reductionist.
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Not all art comes from the desire to make money. Lots of artists make art because they have to, rather than for the money. Some are driven by the desire to create something utterly unique rather than retreading common ground. It's ironic that your user name is "unique," as one would expect you to be more sympathetic to idiosyncracy (not that you have to be, of course lol). This show is like nothing I have ever seen, and I will treasure it in the memory. Art finds it's audience. If that audience isn't you, that's ok.
the promoter however is engaging the artist to put on a show to make money however. nothing to do with art or charity or saving the planet. in turn, many people bought tickets with a certain expectation that isn't being met
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even in context of the music world, what he did was hardly brave, and likewise for kate. if she said in advance what she was going to to and put 21 nights at the o2 on sale that still wouldn't be brave as it's the promoter that takes the risk and pays the artist
![]() Kate's promoter must have known details of the show but still choose to stump up and judging by the tickets sales well they speak for themselves. |
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There really seems to be two camps to this KB residency. One portion wanting the old hits churned out, the other wanting a brand new experience of her later stuff that has never been performed live before. Personally I am in the latter, very excited to know I will finally see The Ninth Wave performed live and in its entirety, I could not ask for anything more, and then to have the added bonus of Nocturn and Aerial. As much as I love WH and Wow etc, I don't feel the slightest bit cheated that she's not performing them.
i think the setlist could have been amended a bit to satisfy both camps really. the hardcore fans would surely be happy to hear her do anything, especially after not touring in 35 years. it's not like this is her 20th tour in 20 years where she's played wuthering heights to death and the fans are sick of hearing it. surely her most hardcore fans would love to hear some of her most well known material just as much as, if not more than, the more casual fans. i would have though a better balance would be to start with a few older hits, slip in 9th wave after the hounds of love hits, do a couple more hits (it's not like she's missed hours of big hits, it's just a few bit tracks missing that could have been fitted in), do the sky section, then encore with hits. so there is a good balance between the most well known material stoking the audience at the start, middle and end, and the lesser known material in between |
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Back in the day I was a George Michael fan,after he fell out with Sony,he did a small(ish) world tour called the Cover to Cover tour.He sang 75% cover songs and the rest were hits.
He made it quite clear in the promotion of the event that this was going to be the case,giving fans the choice to buy a ticket or not. similarly kylie did her b sides tour, and her orchestral live shows, and fans were made aware in advance what they were going to get Quote:
Did Kate Bush attempt anything similar ? |
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The poster of the show featured her floating in water. That pretty much confirmed that The Ninth Wave would be featured and, as such, it was clear that it wasn't simply going to be a straightforward greatest hits show.
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I'm reminded of a Neil Young concert where he played all new stuff .. the crowd were restless wanting the songs they were familiar with. When he finished he said he would now play songs they knew .. and proceeded to play the new stuff again
![]() Elton and Paul McCartney get ripped to pieces for playing their hits but not doing them justice .. Kate's long term fans weren't expecting her to sing the really early hits I'm sure. there was an interview with andre 3000 from outkast that was published this week where he was playing his first show in a while and he hadn't rehearsed properly and wasn't in the right state of mind to play, and he ended up having both macca and prince standing watching his show from the side of the stage, which didn't help matters at all. he explained this to prince after the show, and prince told him, play the hits, then you can do whatever you want and i think that sums things up well here. if she played those half dozen or so hits she's missed from the setlist, along with 9th and sky, there would be a lot less controversy and most people would be happy |
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Kate Bush is not George ****ing Michael.
what??? why was this not made clear to us when we bought tickets? |
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Some people seem to be missing the point that when Kate Bush first appeared on the scene she was startlingly original and released her first hit album of self-composed songs that nobody had ever heard before.
In that case, why should those same fans who were attracted by that originality, suddenly have lost their thirst for original music and have turned into nostalgia junkies? likewise after a period of time the music becomes familiar people buy music usually because they like it. she's a very popular artist, so many people bought their first kate album long only within the last 20 years or less, long after those albums were recorded people buying albums when her first one came out are much older now, and will be much more mature, and perhaps not have the same desires and tastes as they did back in the 70s |
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Give it a rest .. did you hear what Elton said about Kate attending his civil partnership ceremony? 600 famous people in the room and the only person they wanted to talk to was Kate. George has not made an outstanding contribution to music. He's a good singer and has written some good songs but I doubt he's had a major musical influence on anyone.
You're just getting snarky for the sake of it .. for what reason only you can say. george has an award for outstanding contribution to music. there are a lot of people who do consider him a major musical influence of course his music is very different to kate, but he wrote some great hit singles as a young age, and instead of starting a solo career he put together a "band" and became popular, then going solo. if you have a look at the credits on his records you will see not only his writing credits but he plays a lot of the instruments on the record. whereas if you look at the wham credits, andrew and pepsi and shirley are noticeably absent, as they were there for the image. so very different to kate, but a tremendous marketing plan. just like kates he was also one of the first people to have a very public dispute with his record company over the control of his work, and that influenced a number of artists, although as this is more a behind the scenes aspect of the musical business it's not so well known to the general public however you seem to be missing the point being made in that other artists have done tours where they avoided hits, but they made it clear in advance that was the case. so for example prince did a hits tour in 93 and followed it by touring an unreleased album and not playing the hits, but all the publicity made people aware of this kate hadn't toured in 35 years but gave no indication that the hits wouldn't be played |
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I love this insistance that people are unhappy, when the vast majoirty of commentary I've seen from those who attended the shows so far suggests the total opposite. Still, some people never let the truth get in the way when they've got an agenda to push!
however this could have all been avoided if the setlist considered a more wider variety of fans, the casual as well as hardcore |
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she has no duty to do anything really. i'm just saying that lots of people spent a lot of money buying tickets, plus will spend more on travelling and accommodation and other costs going to london for the show and will have had an expectation of hearing her most well know tracks when buying those tickets i thought ariel was 2003 actually Quote:
and i think that sums things up well here. if she played those half dozen or so hits she's missed from the setlist, along with 9th and sky, there would be a lot less controversy and most people would be happy I don't think there is any controversy. All I see are a lot of very happy listeners. Oh and Aerial was released in 2005 after about 9 years in the recording. You are wrong on that one I'm afraid. |
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Oh God it was ****ing fantastic!!!!!! The Ninth Wave segment was utterly brilliant and I had goose bumps when she first arrived on stage. I'm still on a high.
I really wish she had done Rocket's Tail and Song of Solomon but that's being a tad churlish. Awesome awesome awesome!!!!Nocturne was sublime. Encored with Cloudbusting!!!! ![]() |
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i think the setlist could have been amended a bit to satisfy both camps really.
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Well its a brave decision for someone both artist and promoter as if the artist does not sell any tickets nobody will promote them in future.
![]() Kate's promoter must have known details of the show but still choose to stump up and judging by the tickets sales well they speak for themselves. the promoter doesn't need to put on another tour, they are seperate from the artist, who in this case may not want to play any more live shows, considering they've done no tours in 35 years |
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You've missed your vocation here...and Kate's really blown it by not employing as an artistic director.
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he also did his 25live tour where he said in advance he was going to play the hits, and his most recent symphonica tour where he said in advance it was going to be an orchestral show, and very different to the hits show
similarly kylie did her b sides tour, and her orchestral live shows, and fans were made aware in advance what they were going to get |
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actually choosing tracklists forms part of something i've been getting paid to do for decades. getting to know what people like and don't like is an important part of this, along with experimenting to see what works and what doesn't. but for commercial reasons it's fairly obvious you have to give paying punters what they want, as without them, there is no job for you
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Well most of Kate's albums are in the Top 40! Not bad for an artist that's not doing a "greatest hits" tour or "neglecting" the casual fan!
Aerial WAS 2005. I'm off to see Kate tonight! Can't wait! |
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Is she varying the set list at all, or is it exactly the same from night to night?
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Argh, I still have 18 days to go! I can't stand it!
Glad you had such a fantastic time. I think we've all got songs we wish she was doing but I think your post likely represents what most people attending will feel after seeing Kate live, despite what the vocal minority on this forum are trying to get everyone to believe. ![]() After 3 hours I still wanted more. The reaction was electric. I'm jealous of you that you still have the anticipation of what it's going to be like.
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Well most of Kate's albums are in the Top 40! Not bad for an artist that's not doing a "greatest hits" tour or "neglecting" the casual fan!
Aerial WAS 2005. I'm off to see Kate tonight! Can't wait!
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