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Anyone else quite concerned about the future of HO?
I'm genuinely starting to think that HO doesn't have that much longer left as a show
It's absolutely appalling at the moment. The acting, the SLs, the dialogue...It's all terrible You can't help but laugh at the end of every episode It's no longer the slightly more sensational soap about younger people, it's complete madness and it's as if BK is purposely messing it up as thinks of a show as a joke. But it's really bit a new low now that more and more actors are starting to quit. Mercedes leaving is a HUGE loss as she's probably the main female character on the show. Once her and Carmel and others leave, the only big characters that are able to carry the show will be Tony, Cindy, Darren, Nancy, Ste, John Paul and Sinead. Seven characters really isn't enough. Then there's others like Dodger, Maxine, Theresa, Esther, Phoebe, Dirk, Jack and Frankie who are decent but no doubt are unable to carry the show. THEN we get the real 'big characters' of the new era. Joe, Freddie, Grace, Sienna, Leela, Tegan, Sonny, Lindsey e.t.c who are only killing the show. Currently these are the ones getting he big SLs yet they're all awful. Awful characters and awful SLs. It doesn't look like BK is moving any time soon and he doesn't seem to want to change his vision at all. The show can't carry on like this with only a few strong characters to rely on and a load of awful characters carrying the show I genuinely think the show could be off the air on 2 years, and frankly if it caries on like this it'll be for the best! . |
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It's become terrible, the worst it's ever been, but unfortunately the ratings are still steady. I don't think they're at risk yet.
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I've tried to give the show many chances over the past few years but it remains abysmal. 2006-2008 was the golden era of the show with a slight return to form with the serial killer storyline. These days a lot of the actors can't act (Freddie Roscoe for example), the characters aren't exactly original (Trevor is basically the new Warren) and the storylines are good ideas but are written poorly with no real thought or effort. Either BK needs to go or the show should once and for all. I miss the days with the likes of Sarah/Nancy/Hannah/Craig/John Paul, Zoe/Kris/Will/Zack and Amy/Michaela/Josh. The groups were so realistic yet so entertaining.
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Today I got some recommendations on YT to watch a couple of episodes around the Justin & Becca storyline days, watching that just shows how far the show has fallen. IMO. It's lost it's charm and just went totally bonkers.
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A show that won Best Soap is not going to be going anywhere soon, it's popularity is steady.
When I look on this forum a lot of people are slating it but when I look on youtube comments or on twitter I always see people saying how much they love the show so I think this is just a forum where people love to vent their hate for something. Which even on the polls here, despite how much it gets slatted, Hollyoaks always comes out on top most weeks. Of course that doesn't mean it's perfect or isn't disliked, just that basing how unpopular it is on a website were people come to vent, isn't a sincere reflection of it's popularity. (And even if it ever did get axed, the same writers and team behind it would get hired by channel 4 to produce a new soap after that that would replace it because they need a soap as they only have one so you'd just watch that new soap and complain). |
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I am quite shocked about Meredes planning to leave. I think it was only early this month Jennifer gave an interview saying how much she enjoys playing the character.
I knew HO was deliberately sensationalist with loads of characters getting killed off. Unfortunately, having Sam and Danny killed off has robbed HO of my "home family" as it were, given that I started watching it again for Kirsty-Leigh Porter's character Leela. It is early days yet, but I have twice recently deleted episodes without watching them. |
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It is becoming a joke now. I miss the days when it used to be about normal(ish) people- nowadays everyone is a criminal or adulterer.There's no 'goodies' any more.
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This, this and more this I agree big time! How the ratings haven't sunk yet is beyond me the majority of the show just isn't enjoyable it's more of a big joke The plague of soaps BK NEEDS TO GO ASAP
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A show that won Best Soap is not going to be going anywhere soon, it's popularity is steady.
When I look on this forum a lot of people are slating it but when I look on youtube comments or on twitter I always see people saying how much they love the show so I think this is just a forum where people love to vent their hate for something. Which even on the polls here, despite how much it gets slatted, Hollyoaks always comes out on top most weeks. Of course that doesn't mean it's perfect or isn't disliked, just that basing how unpopular it is on a website were people come to vent, isn't a sincere reflection of it's popularity. (And even if it ever did get axed, the same writers and team behind it would get hired by channel 4 to produce a new soap after that that would replace it because they need a soap as they only have one so you'd just watch that new soap and complain). The YT and twitter fans love the sensationalist side of the show, and no not the usual HO sensation, the gigantic, extreme sensation right now that Bk has brought upon. Just look at how many of these are new viewers. When you see a new TV show with a lot going on you're bound to be drawn in for a bit, but how long before it wears out? How many more car crashes, kidnaps, gangsters and stunts can these new viewers take? The sensation buzz will probably wear out very soon I only see the show getting worse and worse. More and more actors are quitting, BM seems to be going completely mad with sensation with the new rumour of the cast cull victims which could well be true. While it's great that BK is gaining new viewers with all this sensation, I don't think it'll work long term. They'll get bored eventually, a lot of the old viewers will have stopped watching and a lot of the cast will have quit. |
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It's going downhill fast. It seems to have become a parody of itself. It's one step away from Sunset Beach these days.
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But is this enough to carry the show out for a long term future?
The YT and twitter fans love the sensationalist side of the show, and no not the usual HO sensation, the gigantic, extreme sensation right now that Bk has brought upon. Just look at how many of these are new viewers. When you see a new TV show with a lot going on you're bound to be drawn in for a bit, but how long before it wears out? How many more car crashes, kidnaps, gangsters and stunts can these new viewers take? The sensation buzz will probably wear out very soon I only see the show getting worse and worse. More and more actors are quitting, BM seems to be going completely mad with sensation with the new rumour of the cast cull victims which could well be true. While it's great that BK is gaining new viewers with all this sensation, I don't think it'll work long term. They'll get bored eventually, a lot of the old viewers will have stopped watching and a lot of the cast will have quit. I stopped watching for a long while, mostly because I would work at specific house that prevented me having time to even watch catch up. There was often something better, but I would tune in every now and then and develop a fondness for certain characters. I properly started watching again soon before Tom escaped from Sienna, I'd kept up with the storylines that had been happening but didn't watch daily until then. I soon discovered how terrible the show had become and the only reasons I watch it it's mostly because there's a small part of me that hopes it'll get better. I thought tonight's E4 was better with consideration of timing. The timing of the episode didn't feel as rushed to me as it normally does. I also only watch because I'm a student meaning that my student house next year revolves around Hollyoaks during mealtimes. I can't really escape when my best friends watch it. Despite it winning best soap, I feel the reason it did is because it's a predominately teenage soap, meaning those who are voting are more likely to prioritise using the internet to vote for their favourite soap after seeing it advertised after every episode as opposed to the more older viewers of Eastenders and Coronation Street who watch after work and don't think it important to vote for their favourite soap as they have a lot more going on in life. It certainly won't win best soap next year. |
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Was thinking this myself. With the whole McQueen brake down and getting newer, younger women in to replace, I can see t his going very bad. It's so frustrating to watch these days because they're doing things that don't make sense. Whether you like her or not Mercedes is going to be missed from the show. Isn't the new girl also named after a car? Urgh, cheesy.
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You can argue til your are blue in the face about how awful the show is and how much trouble it is in but the facts don't lie.
Hollyoaks has just won the most prestigious Soap Award and the rating continue to stay around the 2.5m mark when both C4 and E4 are combined. When you consider that Emmerdale and Eastenders usually do about 6m per ep then it doesn't seem like that drastic a difference. Peoples soap preferences may change but Hollyoaks has maintained a regular audience so even if you switch off somebody else will start watching. And as long as that happens then Hollyoaks is staying put |
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I am quite shocked about Meredes planning to leave. I think it was only early this month Jennifer gave an interview saying how much she enjoys playing the character.
I knew HO was deliberately sensationalist with loads of characters getting killed off. Unfortunately, having Sam and Danny killed off has robbed HO of my "home family" as it were, given that I started watching it again for Kirsty-Leigh Porter's character Leela. It is early days yet, but I have twice recently deleted episodes without watching them.
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You can argue til your are blue in the face about how awful the show is and how much trouble it is in but the facts don't lie.
Hollyoaks has just won the most prestigious Soap Award and the rating continue to stay around the 2.5m mark when both C4 and E4 are combined. When you consider that Emmerdale and Eastenders usually do about 6m per ep then it doesn't seem like that drastic a difference. Peoples soap preferences may change but Hollyoaks has maintained a regular audience so even if you switch off somebody else will start watching. And as long as that happens then Hollyoaks is staying put I don't think it'll go anywhere, and I don't think people will stop watching, particularly as BK's reign has to end at some point, hopefully there will be someone better. I know a lot of people who watch at my age and I've often found people share my opinion. I don't think it's got much to do with ratings as such when it comes to judging whether or not the show is good. I think it's been doing terribly these past few months, yet I still watch. It's just, in comparison to how well it was done before to how it's been recently, whilst changes are good, these changes have made the show at it's worst I've ever seen it. |
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I'm genuinely starting to think that HO doesn't have that much longer left as a show
It's absolutely appalling at the moment. The acting, the SLs, the dialogue...It's all terrible You can't help but laugh at the end of every episode It's no longer the slightly more sensational soap about younger people, it's complete madness and it's as if BK is purposely messing it up as thinks of a show as a joke. But it's really bit a new low now that more and more actors are starting to quit. Mercedes leaving is a HUGE loss as she's probably the main female character on the show. Once her and Carmel and others leave, the only big characters that are able to carry the show will be Tony, Cindy, Darren, Nancy, Ste, John Paul and Sinead. Seven characters really isn't enough. Then there's others like Dodger, Maxine, Theresa, Esther, Phoebe, Dirk, Jack and Frankie who are decent but no doubt are unable to carry the show. THEN we get the real 'big characters' of the new era. Joe, Freddie, Grace, Sienna, Leela, Tegan, Sonny, Lindsey e.t.c who are only killing the show. Currently these are the ones getting he big SLs yet they're all awful. Awful characters and awful SLs. It doesn't look like BK is moving any time soon and he doesn't seem to want to change his vision at all. The show can't carry on like this with only a few strong characters to rely on and a load of awful characters carrying the show I genuinely think the show could be off the air on 2 years, and frankly if it caries on like this it'll be for the best! . |
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I think it will be over within five years at this rate.
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'Brookside' was mercifully cancelled after 21 years I can see HO suffering a similar fate.
![]() Too many episodes a week for ALL the soaps inevitably results in too much rubbish getting on air, why can't TPTB realise that simple fact?
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I thought last year was a brilliant year for the show and I believe that hollyoaks did deserve to win best soap. However the last few months for the show have been appalling and BK needs to leave and soon so hopefully he won't kill off half the cast and leave us with the likes of the Roscoes, the new McQueen's and gangsters ruling the show. Because that's what it is like currently but with a few more characters. At this rate the good characters are going to be killed off or quit.
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Not every actor/actress has quit though, two of them have and they are not the whole show are they.
If BK doesn't kill Mercy off she will be back. ETA how do we know what the new Mcqueens will be like and how do you know they will rule the show. Look at Grace everyone hated her and is now turning around on that one and blessing everyone was saying they hated her after 1 episode but ae living her now. |
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Not every actor/actress has quit though, two of them have and they are not the whole show are they.
If BK doesn't kill Mercy off she will be back. ETA how do we know what the new Mcqueens will be like and how do you know they will rule the show. Look at Grace everyone hated her and is now turning around on that one and blessing everyone was saying they hated her after 1 episode but ae living her now. |
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Like I said on the petition thread. The idea of a Porsche McQueen is enough to want Bryan Kirkwood's head on a stick.
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The show has been suffering for well over a year - even during last year's Six Weeks of Summer the cracks showed but some people lapped it up, so in order to get "bigger and better" the show used this as their model. It is as if the thoughts were this: How can we top the stunts and the shocks? What makes a good trailer.
What this meant was: characters are written to suit plots and stories are sped through and given twist after twist to satisfy a fickle and impatient audience. The Twitter audience. Because of this need to make stories have lots of shocks and not drag on, they burn through stories faster than ever. A plot that might have once lasted six months now lasts a month so more stories are needed to fill airtime. Gone are the days for story-telling, slow burn, build up and slow burn. Once upon a time Hollyoaks did a well told, simple story. If the Hollyoaks of 2007 (the golden era in many people's eyes then it would have looked like this): Hannah develops anorexia but is then kidnapped by a local psycho. After a day in hospital she develops PTSD. This gives her hallucinations for a month. She's off screen for two weeks and then cured. John Paul comes out as gay but his new boyfriend sleeps with two of his sisters and gets one of them pregnant. Due to this John Paul develops a drinking problem. All of them get caught up in an explosion. Max and OB become enemies and OB decides to plot revenge on him by trying to kidnap Tom. Max teams up with Warren and they plot to murder OB as punishment. When OB finds out they have a roof-top fight where OB falls and breaks both legs. In hospital he's then told he has cancer and Max can't cope with the accident so begins taking drugs. (this would all happen in the space of a month) |
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The show has been suffering for well over a year - even during last year's Six Weeks of Summer the cracks showed but some people lapped it up, so in order to get "bigger and better" the show used this as their model. It is as if the thoughts were this: How can we top the stunts and the shocks? What makes a good trailer.
What this meant was: characters are written to suit plots and stories are sped through and given twist after twist to satisfy a fickle and impatient audience. The Twitter audience. Because of this need to make stories have lots of shocks and not drag on, they burn through stories faster than ever. A plot that might have once lasted six months now lasts a month so more stories are needed to fill airtime. Gone are the days for story-telling, slow burn, build up and slow burn. Once upon a time Hollyoaks did a well told, simple story. If the Hollyoaks of 2007 (the golden era in many people's eyes then it would have looked like this): Hannah develops anorexia but is then kidnapped by a local psycho. After a day in hospital she develops PTSD. This gives her hallucinations for a month. She's off screen for two weeks and then cured. John Paul comes out as gay but his new boyfriend sleeps with two of his sisters and gets one of them pregnant. Due to this John Paul develops a drinking problem. All of them get caught up in an explosion. Max and OB become enemies and OB decides to plot revenge on him by trying to kidnap Tom. Max teams up with Warren and they plot to murder OB as punishment. When OB finds out they have a roof-top fight where OB falls and breaks both legs. In hospital he's then told he has cancer and Max can't cope with the accident so begins taking drugs. (this would all happen in the space of a month) |
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