Carlisle's interview with George Part 1:
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“ [26/08/2014 21:04:40] ox o: David: Good evening, George.
[26/08/2014 21:04:47] George Millman: Good evening, David. How are you?
[26/08/2014 21:04:57] ox o: David: I'm good.
[26/08/2014 21:05:13] ox o: David: We'll start off with something nice and simple. How do you feel the process has gone for you so far?
[26/08/2014 21:06:09] George Millman: I feel that it has gone quite well, but possibly not as well as I would have liked. I have had a couple of close scrapes, which I feel have possibly not painted me in the light that I think I have the abilities to have.
[26/08/2014 21:06:29] ox o: David: I would definitely agree about your scrapes.
[26/08/2014 21:06:49] ox o: David: How do you feel your experience from your previous series of the Digital Spy Apprentice have helped, or hindered, your progress this year?
[26/08/2014 21:07:05] George Millman: I have found this year harder.
[26/08/2014 21:08:34] George Millman: I think that last year helped me develop my skills, but this year I have found it harder to deal with my competitors. That may sound a little odd, as in general I get on with them very well, and I didn't so much last year. I think that firstly this year's batch are collectively stronger players than last year's, and also I think that getting on with people can sometimes be a curse. There have been a couple of times that I have had to remind myself that however well I may get on with them, these people are my competition.
[26/08/2014 21:10:24] George Millman: Having said that, I got to the final four, and I didn't last year, so I have clearly improved somewhat performance-wise.
[26/08/2014 21:10:43] ox o: David: Do you think you've done a good enough job of 'reminding yourself' that they are your competition? Considering only a few weeks ago you said yourself in the Boardroom that the other person sat in risk of being fired didn't deserve to be fired over you. That showed to us that you aren't passionate and driven in regards to the process - something that I never thought would be said about you after judging you on last years competition.
[26/08/2014 21:19:05] George Millman: Interesting. I knew that that one would come up at some point, and I've been considering for a while how I'll react to it.
I will say straight out that the other David was absolutely right in saying in my feedback for that task that that was an extremely foolish thing to do. On that occasion, I let my friendship with Shadi get in the way of fighting my corner, which I shouldn't have done. However, I do feel that there were exceptional circumstances on that occasion. Throughout the task, there was one person I was banking on to be fired if we lost, and that person quit before the boardroom, which threw me a little. I really did want to stay, but the indication was that one of us would go, and I thought that given our performances up until that point, it was more likely to be me. Nevertheless, I wrote a passionate defence of myself, as I wasn't going to go without a fight. Then, just as I was thinking about that afterwards, it occurred to me that my defence had involved saying something about my opponent which was utterly unfair, and that he could be fired instead of me because of that. Ordinarily that wouldn't have thrown me at all, but there were two things that made a difference. One was my friendship with Shadi and knowing how much he wanted it, and the other was the fact that I wasn't sure about my own commitment to the process. I was just about to go on holiday, and I had asked for the next task to be delayed until I was back, so I was messing with everyone's schedules. I wondered if it would just be easier for everyone if I wasn't there. So for a brief moment, I saw it as a game and not as a serious competition, and I was just like, 'Sod it, get rid of me if you want to.' That is the only time in any of the Apprentice-themed processes that I have undertaken that I have ever done that. I sincerely regret it, especially as I have realised now that my commitment is to this process and I badly want to win, but I think that it can be seen that those really were exceptional circumstances, and that for me that reaction was completely out of character. I would also point out that if doing that had made it fundamentally impossible for me to win, Lord Sugar would have fired me on the spot. The fact that he didn't, and that I have spent the last three tasks trying to make up for that (and hopefully succeeding) leads me to think that it would be unfair on me if that mistake came back to haunt me now.
[26/08/2014 21:21:00] ox o: David: Another thing that you have sort of mentioned but not quite is when you were contemplating quitting.
[26/08/2014 21:21:19] ox o: David: Whilst it's natural for candidates in such a process to have ups and downs, anybody who contemplates quitting can't be good for an Apprentice role, correct?
[26/08/2014 21:21:44] ox o: David: It's things like this that just bring into question your dedication and how much you actually want to be here, which is a shame when there were many candidates who would love to have been in your position.
[26/08/2014 21:26:10] George Millman: I disagree. If I was in a job and there was something especially important in my personal life which was distracting me from that, I would leave. I think that that would be fairer on my employer than to stay, but to be half-hearted. If I left, they would be able to find a replacement for me who could do the job more efficiently. In this instance, I was being distracted by something that I did consider to be more important, and I said to Lord Sugar that I would leave if he did not adjust the schedule to suit me. He adjusted the schedule accordingly, so no harm was done. If he had not, I would not have considered it to be fair on anyone for me to still be in the running but not putting in the effort required. I'd bring up the example of Stacey, who effectively quit around the second task, but never left officially, was just inactive for several tasks. People who were more committed to this than she was were fired before her, and I don't think that was fair. I will never do that. I will take part in something only if I have enough time to do it. For a few days, I thought that possibly I didn't, but Lord Sugar made it possible, and I think I have proved my commitment with my performance on the tasks.
[26/08/2014 21:28:38] ox o: David: Okay.
[26/08/2014 21:28:51] ox o: David: Moving away from more personal questions for a second.
[26/08/2014 21:29:01] ox o: David: Which task would you identify as your strongest task, an why?
[26/08/2014 21:32:53] George Millman: There are a few possible candidates for that, but I would choose the second task (ten items). The reason that I chose this is that I feel that I gave this task my all, and was one of the key people responsible for our win. I found at least a couple of our cheapest items, I feel that I held the team together and was in effect our team leader after Stacey disappeared (I had been PM in the previous task and it was the same team, so it was quite easy for me to step into that role as I had already done it) and I feel that I was also a peacemaker. When Shadi and Louise argued on task, I was the one who spoke to Shadi privately, and said that much as I agreed with him, reacting to something like that was not going to do him any favours, and it would help him to calm down.
[26/08/2014 21:33:47] George Millman: There are other tasks that I think I have performed really well on, but that task just makes it to top. I might also add that having had a shaky Task 1, I think that doing that well on Task 2 showed Lord Sugar that I can actually be a really strong performer.
[26/08/2014 21:34:31] ox o: David: I'm always a little confused when candidates indicate that the scavenger hunt task, a task which doesn't require any specific winning qualities/ability to succeed in other than being good at searching the web, as their strongest task.
[26/08/2014 21:34:35] ox o: David: However let's move on.
[26/08/2014 21:34:50] ox o: David: In the same light, could you identify your weakest task and why?
[26/08/2014 21:35:05] George Millman: Well, if that is the case, I would question why it is used as a task at all. It must have something to it, if Lord Sugar considers it important enough to use.
[26/08/2014 21:36:48] George Millman: I would say that my weakest task was Task 4, definitely. I feel that the team jumped on Shadi's idea too quickly without really considering other ideas, and I pushed for the British film industry. To be honest, I pushed for that because that's what I know, and it never really occurred to me that that wouldn't work with our film. I wouldn't say that I was the weakest person on the team, but I certainly wasn't a standout performer. Having said that, I will say that I worked really hard on certain points, such as the casting.
[26/08/2014 21:37:06] ox o: David: It's chosen as a task because it shows resourcefulness and offers a variation on the typical task.
[26/08/2014 21:37:39] ox o: David: Not that that is an appropriate thing to say in an interview...
[26/08/2014 21:37:43] ox o: David: Okay, so the forth task was your weakest.
[26/08/2014 21:38:03] George Millman: Well, there you are then. That is something other than searching the web. For me, it showed my leadership qualities and my ability to be a team player and a peacemaker.
[26/08/2014 21:38:17 | Edited 21:38:23] ox o: David: Something that is apparent by looking at your progress this year throughout the process is that you seem to be VERY up and down. With three tasks, Task 1, 4 & 7.
[26/08/2014 21:38:38] ox o: David: in particular you were very weak and narrowly escaped being fired on all three occasions.
[26/08/2014 21:38:39] George Millman: I wouldn't necessarily say that it is inappropriate to say in an interview. If someone says something that I feel to be incorrect, I think it is fair to counter that with what I feel to be a reasonable point.
[26/08/2014 21:38:47] ox o: David: Do you consider yourself lucky to be in the final four?
[26/08/2014 21:39:25] George Millman: Not at all, I think I deserve to be here. And I would disagree on Task 7, as a matter of fact. I think I did a very good job as Project Manager, and my team would agree. I see your point with Tasks 1 and 4, but not 7.
[26/08/2014 21:41:48] ox o: David: I include task 7 because of how close it was between yourself and Iain to be fired. Whilst the idea was ultimately his area and that was, ultimately, the failure of the task, a lot of the decisions were confusing and didn't collaborate well with what a theme park entails. For example, location. As project manager, is it not your responsibility to have the final say on anything? Whilst the others came up with the original ideas for location & theme, you ultimately have the veto. This makes me question your 'skillful' leadership.
[26/08/2014 21:42:32] ox o: David: I would also like to add that on more than one task throughout the process a member of your team has identified you as 'blunt' and that you are no stranger to causing tension. This would dispute with your self-titled 'peacemaker' role.
[26/08/2014 21:42:45] ox o: David: I want to know whether you feel like you are an approachable member of the team?
[26/08/2014 21:44:11] George Millman: I did have the final say on everything. We had good reasons for going for India, and although it did come up that maybe we should change it, I knew that we could pitch India and pitch it well (and we did), and I felt that if we did switch and it backfired, that would be a lot more dangerous for us than sticking with our guns. But we chose India from a lot of ideas, because that seemed to be an idea that everyone was quite passionate about, and we were confident in pitching. Obviously it turned out not to work out for us, but I think it is clear that I made that decision for the right reasons.
[26/08/2014 21:45:26] George Millman: I think that there is a difference between bluntness and honesty. I have said in the past that if I feel something to be the case, I may as well say it directly. There are some people who will say one thing on task and the complete opposite in the boardroom, and I will always say to them, if you had a problem, why didn't you voice that at the time? Voicing something at the time could turn it around for the team. I will always say what I think. People may not like that, but I always have good reason for thinking it.
[26/08/2014 21:46:47] George Millman: I feel that I am approachable. I feel that I get on very well with at least two of the remaining candidates, and in fact with most of the people throughout the process. I can think of very few arguments that I have had with anyone actually, and I can give you examples of when I have been the peacemaker on task. I have already given you one in my assessment of the second task, but I can offer others if you wish.
[26/08/2014 21:48:23] ox o: David: Can I just clarify what yourr peacemaker example is for the second task?
[26/08/2014 21:52:28] George Millman: Louise said something to Shadi on task which wound him up. I am wary of bringing that subject up again as it caused a huge stir on the forums after the task, but it is necessary to make the point of how I reacted whilst we were there. Shadi was quite upset by what she said to him, and started to argue with her about it. I did not believe that that conversation was one that we needed to be having at that time, so I opened up a private chat with him to calm him down. I said to him that I agreed with his point, but arguing about it at that point was not how we were going to win, and potentially could make him come across in a negatively light unfairly. I felt that he listened to me, and me saying that made that situation considerably less than it would otherwise have been, because he was quite angry and I felt was quite likely to continue defending himself. I don't think there is anything wrong with defending oneself, but in the middle of the task is not the time.
[26/08/2014 21:54:08] George Millman: I know that there was quite an argument about it after the task, and I was very vocal in defending Shadi, and in the end it got to a stage where you were banned by Forum Support. That was after the task, which I think is altogether different. I was not prepared to stand up for someone being, in my opinion, unfairly criticised. I stand by everything I said, and do not believe that I went overboard with it. If I had, I would have been banned myself.
[26/08/2014 21:54:17] ox o: David: It's just a confusing thing to mention whilst commendable how you dealt with it during the task, a large amount of the petrol added to the flame in the viewers thread after the task was brought on by yourself.
[26/08/2014 21:54:39] ox o: David: But I can why you have and I'm glad that somebody was around, like you were, to settle the water of the whole situation.
[26/08/2014 21:55:05] ox o: David: How have you felt during the process being a project manager? Both your loss in task one, and your win in task seven.
[26/08/2014 21:55:30] George Millman: Thank you. And I would also say that even on the forums afterwards, initially I only wrote two sentences about how I thought Louise's comments were unfair. Anything I said after that was in response to what people had said to me, and I will always respond when addressed.
[26/08/2014 21:56:58 | Edited 21:57:02] ox o: David: That's quite a confrontatiional approach to things, George. Do you see how that can be deemed inappropriate behaviour when this should be treated as a job application?
[26/08/2014 21:58:23 | Edited 22:01:20] George Millman: I feel that the first loss said more about my management in a negative light than the other one. I did make several big mistakes on the first task, I will hold my hands up to that. I was talking about this in my interview with Jack, and I think that having a background in theatre, sometimes if something feels right I will just go with it because I know that I can make it work and show what I want to show, and I don't really care very much if others don't feel the same way. In the arts, you can work like that because it's very subjective. In business you can't so much, and I think that that is one of the biggest lessons that I have learned here. But I have learned it, and I don't think that I did anything like that in Task 7. We lost, but not because I decided things too quickly. Everyone was passionate about what we were doing, and I think that I undertook the decision-making process in the most logical manner possible. And we did market research and I made decisions based around what that said as well.
[26/08/2014 22:01:03 | Edited 22:01:47] George Millman: I think that if someone says something to me, especially if it is something critical, it is reasonable to respond to them. If someone criticises me in a manner which I think that I can respond to politely and eloquently, and I do not do that, that says a lot about me as a person. It says that I don't have enough backbone to stand up for myself, and it also suggests that the other person is right, when I think that they possibly might not be. I can take criticism; whenever someone has said something to me that is actually legitimate, I am mature enough to take that on the chin. What I will not put up with is people saying things to me which are either not true, or not fair. If someone does that, I think it is entirely reasonable to defend myself, just as I would entirely understand someone who did that in response to something that I'd said.
[26/08/2014 22:02:05] ox o: David: Okay.
[26/08/2014 22:02:16] ox o: David: If you could go back to the start of this years DS Apprentice, what would you change if you were to do it once more?
[26/08/2014 22:02:49] George Millman: That's an interesting question. May I have a moment to consider that?
[26/08/2014 22:03:50] ox o: David: Absolutely, go for it.
[26/08/2014 22:08:13] George Millman: I think that most of the tasks I can be really proud of actually. Some may disagree, but I feel that I have performed to the best of my ability on most of them. So on what to change, it would really be on Tasks 1 and 4, my weakest tasks. On Task 1, I wouldn't change my overall management style, because my team really appreciated me and everyone said I was a great manager. I would, however, change the process we used in order to make decisions for our restaurant. I would have taken on board what Stacey said about being an all-vegetarian restaurant, which I think was our biggest slip-up. Also, if we had still lost, I would have brought Steve into the boardroom over Stacey.
In Task 4, I would have fought against going for Shadi's film idea, as it wasn't a good idea to have a plot that one of our team was very close to, as it made it quite hard to change things to suit what we were doing. Having done that, I think that the rest of my approach to that task wasn't necessarily too bad. I was criticised for pushing the UK film industry, but that may have worked if we'd had a different story. But I would have tried to avoid pushing it quite as strongly as I did.
[26/08/2014 22:10:52] ox o: David: Good answers there!
[26/08/2014 22:10:58] George Millman: Thank you.”