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DanManF1
12-09-2016
Was SNF shown last night on Sky with the complete NBC feed throughout, including pre and post-game? Just curious.
Blokee
12-09-2016
Originally Posted by DanManF1:
“Was SNF shown last night on Sky with the complete NBC feed throughout, including pre and post-game? Just curious.”

Nope. Nothing at the half or at full-time and the coverage started when Football Night in America ended and they ran the opening titles for the match with Al in the booth.
Alex2606
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“The coverage really does need a shake up. The analysis has never been great, but the Bryant TD (non) catch earlier which boiled down to "Oh, who knows what a catch is these days!" really does take the biscuit.

Kev Cadle is a superior presenter to Dara, so I've no idea what Sky are playing at sending him to a half-empty pub to film possibly the most pointless segment they've ever shown.”

Originally Posted by kevthelutonbee:
“You may say that about the analysis but at about the same time in the DET v IND game a completion was challenged at almost the same time as the Bryant one and one of the American analysts said almost the same thing”

Spot on kevthelutonbee, wasn't it something like

'Lets play the 2016 game of 'Guess what is a catch?''

Might have been Scott Hanson on RedZone?
Staffs Steve
15-09-2016
This week's games and commentary teams are as follows

Fri 01:25 NY Jets @ Buffalo - Jim Nantz, Phil Simms, Tracy Wolfson.
Sun 18:00 Cincinnati @ Pittsburgh - CBS Ian Eagle, Dan Fout, Evan Washburn
Sun 21:00 Seattle @ Los Angeles - Fox - Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, Erin Andrews.
Mon 01:25 Green Bay @ Minnesota - NBC - Al Michaels, Cris Collinsworth, Michele Tafoya.
Tue 01:25 Philadelphia @ Chicago - ESPN - Sean McDonough, Jon Gruden, Lisa Salters

In America it's a CBS doubleheader with the Cincinnati @ Pittsburgh and Indianapolis @ Denver being the main games. Regional action for Fox. The late game in Los Angeles getting the number 1 crew.
Distribution maps can be found here http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2016&wk=2
Gray77
15-09-2016
Originally Posted by Staffs Steve:
“Regional action for Fox. The late game in Los Angeles getting the number 1 crew.”

Interesting. I assumed Buck & Aikman would do the Dallas at Washington early game with it having most amount of viewers, but maybe Fox wanted to give the LA homecoming more respect, despite the fact that it won't be watched by that many.

I noticed months back that Indy at Denver would be the CBS main late game, and wondered why it had been preferred to Cincinnati at Pittsburgh which is a bigger rivalry, a bigger game, lots of issues from last season and just has more going for it than Indy-Denver which has no real intrigue post-Manning.
Ads
16-09-2016
Originally Posted by Gray77:
“I noticed months back that Indy at Denver would be the CBS main late game, and wondered why it had been preferred to Cincinnati at Pittsburgh which is a bigger rivalry, a bigger game, lots of issues from last season and just has more going for it than Indy-Denver which has no real intrigue post-Manning.”

I agree. I assume Denver being current Superbowl champs is what spared CBS's interest.
sunbeam007
17-09-2016
Originally Posted by Gray77:
“Interesting. I assumed Buck & Aikman would do the Dallas at Washington early game with it having most amount of viewers, but maybe Fox wanted to give the LA homecoming more respect, despite the fact that it won't be watched by that many.

I noticed months back that Indy at Denver would be the CBS main late game, and wondered why it had been preferred to Cincinnati at Pittsburgh which is a bigger rivalry, a bigger game, lots of issues from last season and just has more going for it than Indy-Denver which has no real intrigue post-Manning.”

Yep, it's a bizarre call. CIN v PIT is the best rivalry in football now SF have declined so it's odd it's not getting a bigger showing.

I'm a little surprised sky have gone with the LA game since that kicks off at 21:05. There's no point wanting to show the return to LA if you are still going to be ahowinf the earlier game. CIN v PIT will probably run long.

The idea of putting RZ on SSMix is brilliant. Great for the sport and the channel.
Alex2606
17-09-2016
Originally Posted by Gray77:
“Interesting. I assumed Buck & Aikman would do the Dallas at Washington early game with it having most amount of viewers, but maybe Fox wanted to give the LA homecoming more respect, despite the fact that it won't be watched by that many.

I noticed months back that Indy at Denver would be the CBS main late game, and wondered why it had been preferred to Cincinnati at Pittsburgh which is a bigger rivalry, a bigger game, lots of issues from last season and just has more going for it than Indy-Denver which has no real intrigue post-Manning.”

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Yep, it's a bizarre call. CIN v PIT is the best rivalry in football now SF have declined so it's odd it's not getting a bigger showing.

I'm a little surprised sky have gone with the LA game since that kicks off at 21:05. There's no point wanting to show the return to LA if you are still going to be ahowinf the earlier game. CIN v PIT will probably run long.

The idea of putting RZ on SSMix is brilliant. Great for the sport and the channel.”

It's largely because you can't move the Indy @ Denver game. CBS has three western 'late' games this week and having CIN/PIT at that time aswell would dilute the late schedule whilst weakening the early slate of games
Glob_blob
17-09-2016
Denver still have one of the best defences in NFL. Wasn't all about peyton manning
Gray77
17-09-2016
Originally Posted by Glob_blob:
“Denver still have one of the best defences in NFL. Wasn't all about peyton manning”

If that was in reply to me saying Indy-Denver had no intrigue post-Manning I was referring to the actual intrigue that came with Manning playing against his former team. Once Manning is not here there is no real intrigue to Denver playing Indy, because Indy are flatlining as a team and the national interest levels in the Colts is not great.

I accept the point by Alex about dilution of the CBS late slot if Cin-Pit was moved there, and that seems like the logical reason why Ind-Den is the main game in that slot.
Bosox
18-09-2016
I was no fan of Kev but good god Dara is awful as a presenter.
marie67
18-09-2016
Originally Posted by Bosox:
“I was no fan of Kev but good god Dara is awful as a presenter.”

I was a fan of Kev but I have to agree about dara. Thank God for red zone.
Alex2606
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Gray77:
“Interesting. I assumed Buck & Aikman would do the Dallas at Washington early game with it having most amount of viewers, but maybe Fox wanted to give the LA homecoming more respect, despite the fact that it won't be watched by that many.

I noticed months back that Indy at Denver would be the CBS main late game, and wondered why it had been preferred to Cincinnati at Pittsburgh which is a bigger rivalry, a bigger game, lots of issues from last season and just has more going for it than Indy-Denver which has no real intrigue post-Manning.”

Thinking again about this it probably wasn't that much of a surprise Buck/Aikman did the Rams game. Homecoming after two decades, LA being the second biggest city in the US (so whist being distributed over a smaller area than Dal/Was there was probably a denser population interest) and LA of course being the home to Fox

Guess it will take a bit of time to get away from the instinct mental association with St Louis
Bosox
19-09-2016
They seem to talk right up to the kickoff in the late game now, why Sky?!? Let us watch the final pregame section with Al and Cris like you used to, they have the rights to show that bit.
Staffs Steve
22-09-2016
This week's games and commentators;

Fri 01:25 - Houston @ New England - CBS / NFL Net -Jim Nantz, Phil Simms, Tracy Wolfson.
Sun 18:00 - Washington @ NY Giants - Fox - Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, Erin Andrews
Sun 21:25 - Pittsburgh @ Philadelphia - Jim Nantz, Phil Simms, Tracy Wolfson.
Mon 01:30 - Chicago @ Dallas - NBC - Al Michaels, Cris Collinsworth, Michele Tafoya.
Tue 01:30 - Atlanta @ New Orleans - ESPN - Sean McDonough, Jon Gruden, Lisa Salters.

CBS have another double header this weekend. Denver @ Cincinnati and Pittsburfgh @ Philadelphia are the lead games. Regional matches on Fox with Washington @ NY Giants being the primary match.

Coverage maps can be found at http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2016&wk=3
Ads
22-09-2016
Originally Posted by Staffs Steve:
“This week's games and commentators;

Fri 01:25 - Houston @ New England - CBS / NFL Net -Jim Nantz, Phil Simms, Tracy Wolfson.
Sun 18:00 - Washington @ NY Giants - Fox - Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, Erin Andrews
Sun 21:25 - Pittsburgh @ Philadelphia - Jim Nantz, Phil Simms, Tracy Wolfson.
Mon 01:30 - Chicago @ Dallas - NBC - Al Michaels, Cris Collinsworth, Michele Tafoya.
Tue 01:30 - Atlanta @ New Orleans - ESPN - Sean McDonough, Jon Gruden, Lisa Salters.

CBS have another double header this weekend. Denver @ Cincinnati and Pittsburfgh @ Philadelphia are the lead games. Regional matches on Fox with Washington @ NY Giants being the primary match.

Coverage maps can be found at http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2016&wk=3”

Denver/Bengals - Can't ever remember seeing a 1pm ET (18:00 our time) game being so dominant over all the other options in terms of markets its shown in. As a Browns fan I am not surprised coverage of our game is non existent!
gers09
23-09-2016
Last night Sky opted to show the NFL Network pre-game show from 1am which I quite liked. They definitely didn't do this in week 1 (Carolina @ Denver).
Not sure if they showed any post-match stuff as I went straight to bed.
mromega
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by gers09:
“Last night Sky opted to show the NFL Network pre-game show from 1am which I quite liked. They definitely didn't do this in week 1 (Carolina @ Denver).
Not sure if they showed any post-match stuff as I went straight to bed.”

Went off air pretty much straight after the clock hit triple zeros.
mavreela
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by gers09:
“Last night Sky opted to show the NFL Network pre-game show from 1am which I quite liked. They definitely didn't do this in week 1 (Carolina @ Denver).
Not sure if they showed any post-match stuff as I went straight to bed.”

The Kickoff game in week one, as with the late Thanksgiving game, is part of SNF contract and covered exclusively by NBC. So it is a different pre-game show and Sky do not have the rights to it.

Only the half time shows and MNF pre-kickoff segment are covered by the rights to games. Anything else needs to be separately negotiated with the specific broadcasters.

Sky have never shown any post-match shows, even with they had their own studio they would go off air very quickly. The audience still watching (or recording them) would be too small to make it worthwhile.
gers09
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by mavreela:
“The Kickoff game in week one, as with the late Thanksgiving game, is part of SNF contract and covered exclusively by NBC. So it is a different pre-game show and Sky do not have the rights to it.

Only the half time shows and MNF pre-kickoff segment are covered by the rights to games. Anything else needs to be separately negotiated with the specific broadcasters.

Sky have never shown any post-match shows, even with they had their own studio they would go off air very quickly. The audience still watching (or recording them) would be too small to make it worthwhile.”

I never even considered that the opening game was an NBC SNF game!

Regarding the post match analysis; If Sky have the rights to show post match reaction through either the NFL network or CBS/Fox etc. surely this is worth while? I agree, the viewing figures will be very low (especially at 4.30am on a Friday morning), but if they've paid for it anyway so may as well give the coverage the depth it deserves instead of showing some pishy replay of an EPL game from 1996
mavreela
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by gers09:
“Regarding the post match analysis; If Sky have the rights to show post match reaction through either the NFL network or CBS/Fox etc. surely this is worth while? I agree, the viewing figures will be very low (especially at 4.30am on a Friday morning), but if they've paid for it anyway so may as well give the coverage the depth it deserves instead of showing some pishy replay of an EPL game from 1996 ”

As with pre-game, they can only show the post-game coverage for TNF games. That because they have the rights to NFL Network programming,

But it still costs them money as they need to watch the feed to monitor it, fill the breaks, and block out commercial references when necessary. Plus I am not sure the precise details of how they receive the feeds, but I believe they use their own fibre link to Atlanta so will also need someone at the other end monitoring it.

The replay of an EPL game from 1996 costs nothing, there are no added rights involved, no risk of violating the Broadcasting code, and it will be all done by computer.
popeye13
23-09-2016
Originally Posted by mavreela:
“As with pre-game, they can only show the post-game coverage for TNF games. That because they have the rights to NFL Network programming,

But it still costs them money as they need to watch the feed to monitor it, fill the breaks, and block out commercial references when necessary. Plus I am not sure the precise details of how they receive the feeds, but I believe they use their own fibre link to Atlanta so will also need someone at the other end monitoring it.

The replay of an EPL game from 1996 costs nothing, there are no added rights involved, no risk of violating the Broadcasting code, and it will be all done by computer.”

The likely hood of OFCOM finding Sky breaching the code when taking a 3rd party feed like a US sports feed is next to zero!
While it is a technical breach of the rules with regard to undue prominence and sponsorship, the fact is, Sky don't get any money for the references and OFCOM are aware that US broadcasters put ads in on screen all of the time and when live, editing these out is next to impossible, even on short time delay. So that isn't really an issue.
(BT do cut away to a holding screen from live programming if filling the screen is sponsor BS and once that is clear, they return and if you watch a replay the next day, all of the ads and so forth are either cut out entirely, or blurred and the audio referencing said sponsor missing)

It comes down to costs only really.
And at 4:30 - 5am, its not worth any money as no one is going to be watching enough to justify it.
It does cost to replay the EPL stuff but nothing close to what a LIVE broadcast does with analysis and waiting for reaction interviews to be fed to them, all of which costs alot of dollar!
brundlebud
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“The likely hood of OFCOM finding Sky breaching the code when taking a 3rd party feed like a US sports feed is next to zero!”

This isn't true. OFCOM have previously found BT Sport guilty of breaching the code for 3rd party US broadcasts of Baseball which is why they're now very much more active in cutting away from commercial references when returning from breaks to the point where you cut back to the field for live play, the commentator starts to mention that today's highlight of the day sponsored by XXX (or whatever) and they cut to the BT logo.
popeye13
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by brundlebud:
“This isn't true. OFCOM have previously found BT Sport guilty of breaching the code for 3rd party US broadcasts of Baseball which is why they're now very much more active in cutting away from commercial references when returning from breaks to the point where you cut back to the field for live play, the commentator starts to mention that today's highlight of the day sponsored by XXX (or whatever) and they cut to the BT logo.”

Id like to see that report
mromega
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“Id like to see that report”

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin.../Issue_290.pdf

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