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kevthelutonbee
05-10-2016
Originally Posted by Bosox:
“I see Red Zone is on Sky Sports Mix again this Sunday, great news. Wasn't it originally announced as the first 4 weeks only? Hopefully it might continue throughout the season now.”


It was and on Monday when i checked my EPG there definitely wasn't any mention of it on there.

Not complaining though
ukdude7
05-10-2016
Originally Posted by Bosox:
“I see Red Zone is on Sky Sports Mix again this Sunday, great news. Wasn't it originally announced as the first 4 weeks only? Hopefully it might continue throughout the season now.”

They've probably seen how bad the ratings are for the second game on Sundays (Week 3 was 29,000 although as it's BARB small ratings aren't always that accurate) and know to keep the numbers inflated they need Red Zone on an actual channel. Red Zone has been averaging 23,000 over 6 hours which is pretty good.
hendero
05-10-2016
Originally Posted by Alex2606:
“5.5 rating in the US Overnights for Jax/Ind, down on the 7.2 for NYJ/MIA last season and the lowest of the four games nationally broadcast in that slot.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016...-singleheader/

Sports ratings are down across a lot of the board in the States this year and, unlike last year, it had competition from events like the Ryder Cup, but it'll be interesting to see what ratings are like for the other UK games (especially Washington/Cincinnati)”

In addition to which, Jacksonville was 0-3 and Indy 1-2 going into that game, both have been disappointments this year. I wouldn't have thought the Ryder Cup had much impact on the viewing figures, that event is much lower profile in the US than it is here. It gets largely lost among pro and college football and end of the baseball season. And the Jax-Indy game had pretty much finished by the time the golf started on Sunday.
hendero
05-10-2016
Originally Posted by ukdude7:
“ Mark Waller Head of NFL International is claiming the highlights shows on BBC1 and 2 are getting 1 million viewers EACH across broadcast and digital.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/09/28/n...-london-mexico”

1 million viewers each? I would be very interested to see the figures backing that up.
Rich1977
07-10-2016
Originally Posted by Bosox:
“I see Red Zone is on Sky Sports Mix again this Sunday, great news. Wasn't it originally announced as the first 4 weeks only? Hopefully it might continue throughout the season now.”

also listed on Sky Sports Mix for 16th Oct, so perhaps it will be for the whole season, Have to say I've been enjoying it. From about 8.30pm until around 9.30 I've been especially hooked.
ukdude7
07-10-2016
Originally Posted by hendero:
“1 million viewers each? I would be very interested to see the figures backing that up.”

Just been digging into these reports...
http://www.barb.co.uk/project-doveta...e-25-sep-2016/

It shows The NFL Show on BBC1 getting 24k average live streams. It's ranking is impressive no doubt helped by spillover from MOTD viewing, numbers are pretty small though. No sign of the BBC2 show so that got less than 11k.

The On Demand average views didn't show either programme in the top 50 On Demand so both go at least less than 55k.

So essentially what Mark Waller is saying is that the highlights show on BBC2 after Newsnight must average at least 940k broadcast viewers and the BBC1 show 900k+. Doubtful.
scurry
07-10-2016
Originally Posted by ukdude7:
“Just been digging into these reports...
http://www.barb.co.uk/project-doveta...e-25-sep-2016/

It shows The NFL Show on BBC1 getting 24k average live streams. It's ranking is impressive no doubt helped by spillover from MOTD viewing, numbers are pretty small though. No sign of the BBC2 show so that got less than 11k.

The On Demand average views didn't show either programme in the top 50 On Demand so both go at least less than 55k.

So essentially what Mark Waller is saying is that the highlights show on BBC2 after Newsnight must average at least 940k broadcast viewers and the BBC1 show 900k+. Doubtful.”

He's probably rounding up to the nearest million...
popeye13
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by ukdude7:
“Just been digging into these reports...
http://www.barb.co.uk/project-doveta...e-25-sep-2016/

It shows The NFL Show on BBC1 getting 24k average live streams. It's ranking is impressive no doubt helped by spillover from MOTD viewing, numbers are pretty small though. No sign of the BBC2 show so that got less than 11k.

The On Demand average views didn't show either programme in the top 50 On Demand so both go at least less than 55k.

So essentially what Mark Waller is saying is that the highlights show on BBC2 after Newsnight must average at least 940k broadcast viewers and the BBC1 show 900k+. Doubtful.”

Not a chance in hell of them and its what makes it all the more strange is why he said it in the first place!
chrisfinch
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by ukdude7:
“Just been digging into these reports...
http://www.barb.co.uk/project-doveta...e-25-sep-2016/

It shows The NFL Show on BBC1 getting 24k average live streams. It's ranking is impressive no doubt helped by spillover from MOTD viewing, numbers are pretty small though. No sign of the BBC2 show so that got less than 11k.

The On Demand average views didn't show either programme in the top 50 On Demand so both go at least less than 55k.

So essentially what Mark Waller is saying is that the highlights show on BBC2 after Newsnight must average at least 940k broadcast viewers and the BBC1 show 900k+. Doubtful.”

I looked at the BBC Two BARB top 30s for the first two or three weeks of the season, and none of the shows made that top 30, which seemed to go down to viewership of just over 800k. If it didn't get that many views on TV, then combined with those stream views, it must be nonsense.

But it's the same rhetoric NFL UK have been spouting for years, with no evidence to back it up. Luckily for them, they've never really been called out on it, as the majority of places that could question them on it also have a vested interest in the sport being successful over here.

Credit to them though, they've really tried. They basically gave away the Sunday Night Football package for years to ensure some FTA coverage, and they've had three U.K. games a year shown on terrestrial telly at a good time of day to reach new fans, but there hasn't really been any response. Short of this fabled London franchise ever existing, the U.K. fanbase seemed to peak five or six years back.
Bosox
08-10-2016
NFL UK loves to play with stats on viewing figures to stretch them to sound s good as they possibly can. He doesn't say they average a million viewers. Match of the Day gets, what 4.5 million viewers, if a quarter of that audience is a bit slow with the remote when that finishes and watches the first minute of the NFL Show they have their million viewers.
Bosox
09-10-2016
BBC 5 live Sport
@5liveSport
We're delighted to have HUGE @buffalobills fan @kevincadle join us on #5liveNFL!


Gosh, didn't see that coming.
Alex2606
09-10-2016
The NFL UK spin machine already out in force on how the Colts won after playing in London and not having a bye
ozsat
10-10-2016
Just checked and it is not listing for 23rd Oct. It may get added later but not in the current listings on any of their channels.
Originally Posted by Rich1977:
“also listed on Sky Sports Mix for 16th Oct, so perhaps it will be for the whole season, Have to say I've been enjoying it. From about 8.30pm until around 9.30 I've been especially hooked.”

Super_Steve
10-10-2016
Got to take Barb figures with a pinch of salt. I don't know anyone who has ever been involved in this thing - but I can tell you around 20 people in my circle of friends who watch NFL every week, approx half of my friendship circle. Using that as an average (which is what Barb does) I'm estimating that NFL gets 30 million viewers a week in the UK.
ukdude7
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by Super_Steve:
“Got to take Barb figures with a pinch of salt. I don't know anyone who has ever been involved in this thing - but I can tell you around 20 people in my circle of friends who watch NFL every week, approx half of my friendship circle. Using that as an average (which is what Barb does) I'm estimating that NFL gets 30 million viewers a week in the UK. ”

Same with most polls and surveys I guess although they normally get pretty close even if it's +/-5% which politically can be massive.

Proof in the pudding is who competes for the rights and who wants to pay what after this year when the BBC deal ends. After 8 years of the International Series Channel 4 dropped it and NFL gave it for essentially free to the BBC (fair play it's the best platform for visibility of the sport) and seems as though they fund all the highlights show production. After this season will terrestrial broadcasters be bidding aggressively for the rights?
If the sport really has 14 million fans and 4 million avid fans as they pretend it does you'd think it'd be much more fought for than what the reality will be.

Wonder which Premier League goalkeeper is going to be throwing a football around with Osi this week?
hendero
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by Bosox:
“BBC 5 live Sport
@5liveSport
We're delighted to have HUGE @buffalobills fan @kevincadle join us on #5liveNFL!


Gosh, didn't see that coming. ”

Wow, that programme is painful enough as it is. Are they trying to achieve even less focus on giving us timely, accurate score updates and more on inane studio waffle? In which case Kev's just the man for the job.
Gray77
11-10-2016
Genuinely surprised with some of Sky's picks this season thus far, and this continues next weekend with them not showing Dallas at Green Bay, a genuine marquee game between arguably the two most supported teams in the NFL, both in good form, etc.

Some of the usual NFL UK forum whingers complain that we get too much Dallas, and it looks like they're getting their way. Are Sky in cahoots with the NFL in an attempt to boost Gamepass subs, because as a Green Bay fan I try and work out which games won't be on GP because they're almost guaranteed Sky picks. Dallas this weekend was one of those games, yet they've not picked it.

Yes, Atlanta at Seattle is a decent game, but no way does that game garner the same interest as Dallas at Green Bay. I'm very surprised.
Ginger Daddy
11-10-2016
Crikey, people moan when they show too much of the NFC East teams and people moan when they show too little, you cant please all of the people all of the time, quite clearly.
Gray77
11-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“Crikey, people moan when they show too much of the NFC East teams and people moan when they show too little, you cant please all of the people all of the time, quite clearly.”

I've never cared less either way. For me, I want the biggest games on TV, and if that means we have NFC East teams on nearly every week then so be it. Dallas at Green Bay is the marquee game of the weekend, but some think it shouldn't be shown because there's too many NFC East teams on TV? Madness.

This is the logic of the NFL UK Forums, were somebody chooses to follow Miami or Cleveland then whinges because his/her team isn't on TV, and moans instead that Dallas, NYG or Green Bay are on too much. It obviously has an influence on Sky's decision making, with them trying to give everyone a fair shake of the stick, which is ridiculous in a season that only lasts 17 weeks.
Gurj73
11-10-2016
Absolutely crazy decision by Sky not to show the Dallas @ GB game. Especially when you consider the form the cowboys led by their rookie QB and RB are in !
kevthelutonbee
11-10-2016
Originally Posted by Gurj73:
“Absolutely crazy decision by Sky not to show the Dallas @ GB game. Especially when you consider the form the cowboys led by their rookie QB and RB are in !”


As a Dallas fan I'd totally agree.

GB v Dallas games are always a great watch and I wonder how many times Romo to Bryant on 4th and 2 will get referenced?
Bosox
11-10-2016
To be fair Atlanta/Seattle is a marquee match up as well, it's not as if they've left off one great game for a clunker.

Doesn't affect me as I'll be watching the best bits of both on RedZone
scurry
11-10-2016
They've also chosen Eagles @ Redskins over Bengals @ Patriots which is another surprising decision especially considering the Patriots have yet to be picked by Sky for the 6pm/9pm slots.

The only reason I can see them doing that is if they're looking ahead and planning to show the Patriots against the Steelers and Bills in Weeks 7/8.
Gurj73
11-10-2016
Originally Posted by scurry:
“They've also chosen Eagles @ Redskins over Bengals @ Patriots which is another surprising decision especially considering the Patriots have yet to be picked by Sky for the 6pm/9pm slots.

The only reason I can see them doing that is if they're looking ahead and planning to show the Patriots against the Steelers and Bills in Weeks 7/8.”

Maybe the decision to show the Eagles @ Redskins was the pre-cursor for not showing Cowboys game ? Didnt want to show games involving 3 NFC East teams back to back ?
hendero
11-10-2016
Originally Posted by Gurj73:
“Maybe the decision to show the Eagles @ Redskins was the pre-cursor for not showing Cowboys game ? Didnt want to show games involving 3 NFC East teams back to back ?”

Bengals at the Pats could be a blowout. The Packers have been on Sky three of their first four games, so while I would rather watch their game against Dallas I can at least understand the rationale for showing the Falcons-Seahawks game.

Anyway, Red Zone for me, which for the late afternoon games, when you factor in no adverts and no Sky UK studio team, is almost as good as watching the game of your choice.
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