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Old 03-12-2014, 15:49
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Unappreciating that Bollywood pro dance. It was one of the worst pro dances I've ever seen on this show. There's whole technique that goes into that type of dance, even the wrong placement of fingers can be interpreted as offensive in some parts of India. To the uniformed eye, it might have been one of the best dance ever on this show BUT it really wasn't good.

Maybe I've been too spoiled by watching a lot of proper Bollywood/Tollywood dances but nah it wasn't good. And I noticed that some pros were struggling more than others

They're so many popular Bollywood songs out there so why DWTS and SCD always seems to use Jai ho and 1,2,3 4..get on the dancefloor


Aljaz and Pasha were the stand out imo.
I really hope that next year, they drop this going around the world theme. Totally unnecessary imo.
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Old 03-12-2014, 16:03
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Unappreciating that Bollywood pro dance. It was one of the worst pro dances I've ever seen on this show. There's whole technique that goes into that type of dance, even the wrong placement of fingers can be interpreted as offensive in some parts of India. To the uniformed eye, it might have been one of the best dance ever on this show BUT it really wasn't good.

Aljaz and Pasha were the stand out imo. I really hope that next year, they drop this going around the world theme. Totally unnecessary imo.
That's genuinely very interesting. I have a very untrained eye and really enjoyed it. I focused on Aljaz in the training VT and the actual performance so from what you say it was hardly surprising that I appreciated it.
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Old 03-12-2014, 16:05
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Team Hitler Youth, Midwich Cuckoos, Children of the Corn, Creepy Twins, Lannister Twins, David Icke Space Lizards, Flowers in the Attic ... Terms from various blogs and forums describing Pixie and Trent. I actually like Trent. On his own there isn't that eerie vibe he and Pixie give off when together.

If TTF and FFG did a rumba together it would be totally creepy and the problem is Pixie and Trent look more like brother and sister than TTF and FFG.
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Old 03-12-2014, 16:06
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...They're so many popular Bollywood songs out there so why DWTS and SCD always seems to use Jai ho and 1,2,3 4..get on the dancefloor
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Iveta got cut from SYTYCD for this one!

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Old 03-12-2014, 16:10
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That's genuinely very interesting. I have a very untrained eye and really enjoyed it. I focused on Aljaz in the training VT and the actual performance so from what you say it was hardly surprising that I appreciated it.
I thought it was brilliant but like you I have an untrained eye and focused completely on Aljaz and Pasha
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Old 03-12-2014, 16:16
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well it wasnt that bad; Some of the movements really were not accurate; I suppose we cant be all good at something.

Head movement, head position, fingers movements, facial expressions....SO much goes into those dances; It is so intricate.
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Old 03-12-2014, 16:25
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Just to point out the Dutch theme was originally going to be Steve's routine and was only given to Pixie and Trent when he was eliminated. I don't think there was any long term plan to play on the Team Hitler Youth connections.
Thanks for clarifying this. However, if the celebrities (I don't care who they are) are to dance to TULIPS OF AMSTERDAM, then the costumes should be DUTCH. If they are supposed to be Hansel and Gretel, then they could find a Strauss Waltz or some kind of German folk song maybe.

The costumes and the backing dancers were reminiscent of the scene in Springtime for Hitler - the Mel Brooks movie. I agree with you there wasn't any plan. It isn't Pixie and Trent's fault - it is the stupid producers and Strictly Team who are at fault.
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Old 03-12-2014, 16:33
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Shoving "Hitler Youth" and all the other Nazi WW2 connotations, which I'm sad to say did seem to start on this thread when two blondes were paired off in the first show, is a deeply unpleasant trope to use against Pixie and Trent, and against this frothy, fun dance in particular. Deeply unappreciated.
I'm not that sure that the HY term did start on this thread - as I recall the term Midwich cuckoos was used more- but we get flak for all the ills on the forum so that's ok.
Certainly the term has been used on several blogs elsewhere.
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Old 03-12-2014, 17:15
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Thanks for clarifying this. However, if the celebrities (I don't care who they are) are to dance to TULIPS OF AMSTERDAM, then the costumes should be DUTCH. If they are supposed to be Hansel and Gretel, then they could find a Strauss Waltz or some kind of German folk song maybe.

The costumes and the backing dancers were reminiscent of the scene in Springtime for Hitler - the Mel Brooks movie. I agree with you there wasn't any plan. It isn't Pixie and Trent's fault - it is the stupid producers and Strictly Team who are at fault.
I also don't blame Pixie and Trent but very much the Strictly team who obviously have no idea of the insensitivity of this particular combination. Had they been given Dutch costumes (and spoken Dutch in the VT) it wouldn't have been a problem.

But all in all, the whole idea of the week's theme was bound to be a minefield of the inappropriate and of cultural stereotyping. BAD IDEA and I hope never to be repeated.
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Old 03-12-2014, 17:25
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Unappreciating that Bollywood pro dance. It was one of the worst pro dances I've ever seen on this show. There's whole technique that goes into that type of dance, even the wrong placement of fingers can be interpreted as offensive in some parts of India. To the uniformed eye, it might have been one of the best dance ever on this show BUT it really wasn't good.

Maybe I've been too spoiled by watching a lot of proper Bollywood/Tollywood dances but nah it wasn't good. And I noticed that some pros were struggling more than others

They're so many popular Bollywood songs out there so why DWTS and SCD always seems to use Jai ho and 1,2,3 4..get on the dancefloor


Aljaz and Pasha were the stand out imo.
I really hope that next year, they drop this going around the world theme. Totally unnecessary imo.
I agree it wasn't good. When they have movie week they don't have the pros trying to recreate a Nicholas Brothers routine, so why assume they can do Bollywood? And could they not have found another song? Does the Beeb think Jai ho is the only Bollywood tune?

There's also a thriving Bhangra dance culture in the UK. Apart from traditional Bhangra, there are also plenty of groups fusing their Punjabi and British culture in exciting Bhangra/hip hop/street dance and an opportunity to showcase this was lost.
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Old 03-12-2014, 17:29
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I wonder what Sunetra thought of it - she apparently trained in Indian dance until she was 12 (hence her beautiful arms and hands) and her mum is an Indian dance teacher.
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Old 03-12-2014, 17:29
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I also don't blame Pixie and Trent but very much the Strictly team who obviously have no idea of the insensitivity of this particular combination. Had they been given Dutch costumes (and spoken Dutch in the VT) it wouldn't have been a problem.

But all in all, the whole idea of the week's theme was bound to be a minefield of the inappropriate and of cultural stereotyping. BAD IDEA and I hope never to be repeated.
Yeah, the execution of the concept was deplorable from start to finish. It was less Around the World and more Let's Hark Back to the Black and White Minstrels.
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Old 03-12-2014, 18:42
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I'm not that sure that the HY term did start on this thread - as I recall the term Midwich cuckoos was used more- but we get flak for all the ills on the forum so that's ok.
Certainly the term has been used on several blogs elsewhere.
I confess to calling them Team Hitler Youth about 5 seconds after they were paired together on the launch show because ... well because they look like the Hitler Youth. I'm completely unabashed about this. If you can't be rude about people on the Unappreciation Thread where can you be rude about people?
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Old 03-12-2014, 19:37
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I confess to calling them Team Hitler Youth about 5 seconds after they were paired together on the launch show because ... well because they look like the Hitler Youth. I'm completely unabashed about this. If you can't be rude about people on the Unappreciation Thread where can you be rude about people?
Blimey, invoking Godwin's law after five seconds must be some sort of record, even for Digital Spy!
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Old 03-12-2014, 21:11
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As a supporter of Caroline by Pashociation I had been a bit miffed all these weeks that all the drum roll had been for Pixie & Frankie... legs, hair, face, boobs, personolaity, walk, speak etc etc.... agree with a few, disagreed with some... ...but everybody kept forgetting Caroline..
The number/nature of threads cropping up now makes me ecstatic.... Flackers has finally arrived on DS ...
Dont know how long for but she has....

Was there anybody else in that Bollywood number bar Aljaz & Pasha ?? ... ...Couldnt say I noticed ...

Unappreciating my appreciation that I think I have arrived in DOTsville with D for dirty not drunken...
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Old 03-12-2014, 21:42
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That's ok several of us don't drink
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:16
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:26
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:15
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When the round the world idea was initially announced we , as big 2012 and W1A fans, consoled ourselves with imagining the many meetings that must have taken place in BBC towers to ensure the whole thing was handled with sensitivity - sadly it appears they were all too busy on the cultural enhancement teambuilding paintball event and forgot to go - Yes, I mean No, I mean Yes absolutely

OT, can I unappreciate that Hugh Bonneville has not yet appeared on strictly!
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:32
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I do apologise if my use of Hitler Youth in that context was taken amiss, it certainly wasn't intended to be. As said, it wasn't my invention. It was said on here right after the launch show and is a moniker for Trixie that periodically pops up. I was seriously gobsmacked that that description was seemingly put to life!

The best accusation that can be levelled at the producers on that particular number is very thoughtless bad taste. And having seen The Producers (and anybody who has) those costumes taken in conjunction with the Netherlands more than raised eyebrows with me, I found it very distasteful. I shall be going to Amsterdam next month and will pay my own tribute at the Anne Frank Huis.

For the record, I think Trent is seriously good, and although Pixie is a bit grating I wouldn't mind her winning, as he's the best choreographer there.
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:45
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Appreciating (sorry ) Marianka Swain's unappreciation of last Saturday's offering as I have my slightly late elevenses. .....'made Eurovision look positively restrained, tasteful and nuanced'

http://www.dancing-times.co.uk/dance...1-strictly_w10


With still half a mug of coffee left, I'm off to read Monkseal now. Definitely one of those weeks where I enjoy the reviews far more than the show itself!
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Old 04-12-2014, 12:00
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With still half a mug of coffee left, I'm off to read Monkseal now. Definitely one of those weeks where I enjoy the reviews far more than the show itself!
Agree with you there, Minstrelgirl. I think I'll give the show itself a miss in future, and just read Monkseal's blog!
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Old 04-12-2014, 12:15
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I do apologise if my use of Hitler Youth in that context was taken amiss, it certainly wasn't intended to be. As said, it wasn't my invention. It was said on here right after the launch show and is a moniker for Trixie that periodically pops up. I was seriously gobsmacked that that description was seemingly put to life!

The best accusation that can be levelled at the producers on that particular number is very thoughtless bad taste. And having seen The Producers (and anybody who has) those costumes taken in conjunction with the Netherlands more than raised eyebrows with me, I found it very distasteful. I shall be going to Amsterdam next month and will pay my own tribute at the Anne Frank Huis.

For the record, I think Trent is seriously good, and although Pixie is a bit grating I wouldn't mind her winning, as he's the best choreographer there.
Actually I am quite uncomfortable with all this talk about Pixie and Trent and the producers crassness.

I think we have all acknowledged how really crass and offensive it was but I think the producers are young and don't really have an appreciation of quite how offensive that dance really was in view of Dutch German history.

Also it was unfortunate in view of one of the nicknames of team Trixie.

I think whilst trying to show how we understand how offensive it is we may be actually perpetuating more talk and more publicity for a something that should now be sometching the BBC sorts out themselves.

If anyone wishes to complain to the beeb by all means do so, but I am not comfortable with giving unintentional crassness the oxygen of publicity and causing further harm, we don't know who is reading these boards , and we don't know if we are causing upset to someone who has a personal link to recent history. It is entirely possible that with the best intention we are actually causing more offence.

Perhaps I am being over sensitive , but I think this is something I for one think should be allowed to die a natural death on here and any personal upset be taken up in private with the BBC.

I really don't think it occurred to Pixie a very young girl , or Trent an Australian that the dance theme was crass and I certainly don't think either of them has probably seen " the Producers". Let's not blame them for a theme from who should have known better.
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Appreciating (sorry ) Marianka Swain's unappreciation of last Saturday's offering as I have my slightly late elevenses. .....'made Eurovision look positively restrained, tasteful and nuanced'

http://www.dancing-times.co.uk/dance...1-strictly_w10


With still half a mug of coffee left, I'm off to read Monkseal now. Definitely one of those weeks where I enjoy the reviews far more than the show itself!
I hope the producers take notice of "Bury this atrocity and salt the earth, lest the rest of the world come upon it and annihilate the lot of us."

Fearing beforehand for Jake's AT, I joked last week that two countries who already had grievances with us - Greece, Elgin marbles and Argentina, Falklands - would have even more reason to hate us. It was even more ghastly than I foresaw. What's Greece famous for? Birthplace of democracy? Invented theatre? Gave us the Olympics? Socrates, Plato, Aristotle? Pythagoras? Demis Roussos and Nana Mouskouri even? No, they're famous for smashing plates!
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Old 04-12-2014, 12:40
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Actually I am quite uncomfortable with all this talk about Pixie and Trent and the producers crassness.

I think we have all acknowledged how really crass and offensive it was but I think the producers are young and don't really have an appreciation of quite how offensive that dance really was in view of Dutch German history.

Also it was unfortunate in view of one of the nicknames of team Trixie.

I think whilst trying to show how we understand how offensive it is we may be actually perpetuating more talk and more publicity for a something that should now be sometching the BBC sorts out themselves.

If anyone wishes to complain to the beeb by all means do so, but I am not comfortable with giving unintentional crassness the oxygen of publicity and causing further harm, we don't know who is reading these boards , and we don't know if we are causing upset to someone who has a personal link to recent history. It is entirely possible that with the best intention we are actually causing more offence.

Perhaps I am being over sensitive , but I think this is something I for one think should be allowed to die a natural death on here and any personal upset be taken up in private with the BBC.

I really don't think it occurred to Pixie a very young girl , or Trent an Australian that the dance theme was crass and I certainly don't think either of them has probably seen " the Producers". Let's not blame them for a theme from who should have known better.
Totally agree. What's more, from hints dropped by Trent re wardrobe, and from Tristan's interviews, we know that producers are forcing themes on couples that they may not be comfortable with. Enough now.

Though we can still joke AGU for clogs and windmills, right?
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