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This is Most Definitely Not An Appreciation Thread **Part 21**
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Agent Krycek
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by perdiedumpling:
“But who would have thought from his waltz & cha cha that his jive would be so good? I thought his Latin would be competent but unexciting, but how wrong was I?

He's got the timing that samba takes though, it's all down to getting the face working. Aliona isn't the most gurny of pros anyway, but I can see performance being the main thing the judges pick on now to try to keep his marks down. He could need a salsa or samba or Charleston to get a performance breakthrough.”

I agree, he absolutely could dance a samba, just don't think in the world of Strictly he's got the necessary gurning DNA in him to get judge approval. A cool, laid back Charleston might work better, but I do agree, they will be wanting the 'breakthrough' dance from him in performance terms (although I thought both the waltz and jive were performed beautifully)

Out of interest just had a look at Anton/Katie's jive, Jay really is much better at the jive then Anton, which is pretty bloody disgraceful for a pro who'd been doing this for over a decade.
Kmc1978
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by perdiedumpling:
“But who would have thought from his waltz & cha cha that his jive would be so good? I thought his Latin would be competent but unexciting, but how wrong was I?

He's got the timing that samba takes though, it's all down to getting the face working. Aliona isn't the most gurny of pros anyway, but I can see performance being the main thing the judges pick on now to try to keep his marks down. He could need a salsa or samba or Charleston to get a performance breakthrough.”

I'd quite like to see him attempt a samba as I think he could be one of the few celebs to really get the hang of the technique. We've had precious few decent ones on scd but it's one of my favourites when performed well. I can't see them leaving out salsa as, from those youtube videos, he looks like he'll be good at the lifts. I'm thinking possibly Foxtrot (as he would be likely to do it as part of AS anyway) or VW could be the omitted dance if he reaches the final.
daziechain
12-10-2015
Unappreciating the fact that Brenda having the paso this week has reminded me of the Pendledrama bicycle paso mash up.
Agent Krycek
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Kmc1978:
“I'd quite like to see him attempt a samba as I think he could be one of the few celebs to really get the hang of the technique. We've had precious few decent ones on scd but it's one of my favourites when performed well. I can't see them leaving out salsa as, from those youtube videos, he looks like he'll be good at the lifts. I'm thinking possibly Foxtrot (as he would be likely to do it as part of AS anyway) or VW could be the omitted dance if he reaches the final.”

Never, can you imagine the spins Aliona could work into a VW

Really not looking forward to the two announced paso's on Saturday, Kirsty looking grumpy and Carol probably going for the Emma Bunton Scary Bunny face, hopefully without the Tittyruba move
sofakat
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Rednell:
“I

Question for the dancers: If he's got the flair and talent that he obviously naturally possesses, is it possible to learn all that in six weeks? I imagine he must spend hours in the training room perfecting it as well.”

You can with the right teacher and a lot of focus. If someone tells you how and what your body does, and how to control it, you can pick it up. You need his talent of course.

Originally Posted by skimpy_scampi:
“But we would have seen his chest exposed. ”

No, no way! A step too far. Jeez, he's just a kid!
Alli-F
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“Unappreciating the fact that Brenda having the paso this week has reminded me of the Pendledrama bicycle paso mash up.”

Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“Never, can you imagine the spins Aliona could work into a VW

Really not looking forward to the two announced paso's on Saturday, Kirsty looking grumpy and Carol probably going for the Emma Bunton Scary Bunny face, hopefully without the Tittyruba move ”



Just when you thought pasos couldn't get any worse after Pduh & Anthony, Carol & Kirsty will be staggering through their pasos like two 50 year olds ratarsed on babychams at a Grab a granny night with Pasha & Brendan looking like they're struggling to hold them upright & keep their hands from wandering

Weirdly, I can't wait for Daniel's paso
Agent Krycek
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Just when you thought pasos couldn't get any worse after Pduh & Anthony, Carol & Kirsty will be staggering through their pasos like two 50 year olds ratarsed on babychams at a Grab a granny night with Pasha & Brendan looking like they're struggling to hold them upright & keep their hands from wandering

Weirdly, I can't wait for Daniel's paso ”

I'm imaging Kristina working in a strange flamenco/Irish dancing section, which I sort of wanna see
MayD
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“I'm imaging Kristina working in a strange flamenco/Irish dancing section, which I sort of wanna see ”

Wafting a cape without using his arms should be sight to behold.
spider9
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Just when you thought pasos couldn't get any worse after Pduh & Anthony, Carol & Kirsty will be staggering through their pasos like two 50 year olds ratarsed on babychams at a Grab a granny night with Pasha & Brendan looking like they're struggling to hold them upright & keep their hands from wandering

Weirdly, I can't wait for Daniel's paso ”

Or, as I know it, a standard Saturday night out in Essex.
Monsieur23
12-10-2015
I'm unappreciating the fact that Jay has to miss any dances at all.

I don't know why, and I'll probably be extremely wrong, but does anyone else think that Jay has the capacity to not just get 10s in a bloke-Rumba, but, dare we say... 40?
hannah
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Monsieur23:
“I'm unappreciating the fact that Jay has to miss any dances at all.

I don't know why, and I'll probably be extremely wrong, but does anyone else think that Jay has the capacity to not just get 10s in a bloke-Rumba, but, dare we say... 40? ”

I think youre right I definitely see Jay getting 40 in a rumba its one of the dances im looking forward to see him doing.

It could definitely be one of his best dances I hope he does it though.
spider9
12-10-2015
I'd be happy for Jay to miss out the charleston. He doesn't need to gurn and hold Aliona in various upside down positions for 90 seconds in order to show 'performance' or 'personality'.
Rednell
12-10-2015
I wanna see him Tango or AT. If Aliona pitches it right, it could be out of this world.
Alli-F
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Monsieur23:
“I'm unappreciating the fact that Jay has to miss any dances at all.

I don't know why, and I'll probably be extremely wrong, but does anyone else think that Jay has the capacity to not just get 10s in a bloke-Rumba, but, dare we say... 40? ”



He's amazing really, he has the control & flexibility of ballet with the rhythm for Latin and the grace and understanding of ballroom. He has the arms, control & grace for beautiful rumba, it's just whether he can connect with sensuality of a rumba. It could be his emotional breakthrough dance though
sofakat
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by spider9:
“I'd be happy for Jay to miss out the charleston. He doesn't need to gurn and hold Aliona in various upside down positions for 90 seconds in order to show 'performance' or 'personality'.”

I'd like it if they go for a Swing/Balboa version. Grumpy Old Git Len will moan, but really someone should give him a lesson in dance history and explain how all those dances are tied together and overlap each other.

He is stuck (like many old fashioned ballroom people) in the the belief that ballroom invented every dance, when in fact they just nicked them all from the rest of the world!
Alli-F
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“I'm imaging Kristina working in a strange flamenco/Irish dancing section, which I sort of wanna see ”



Dressed as a leprechaun in a green velvet suit with a ginger beard, I'm 100% behind this happening 😂😂😂
Monsieur23
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by spider9:
“I'd be happy for Jay to miss out the charleston. He doesn't need to gurn and hold Aliona in various upside down positions for 90 seconds in order to show 'performance' or 'personality'.”

...I'm inclined to agree, although for different reasons. I actually think Charleston would be one of the hardest dances for Jay, as the performance style isn't one I think he'll excel in (unless they go down the Sophie & Brendan "1920s froideur" route, which could be utterly excellent if done well).
sofakat
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“He's amazing really, he has the control & flexibility of ballet with the rhythm for Latin and the grace and understanding of ballroom. He has the arms, control & grace for beautiful rumba, it's just whether he can connect with sensuality of a rumba. It could be his emotional breakthrough dance though”

He could actually like rumba like a real man, which would make a lovely change from the usual 'arch camp' version the pros tend to do. I think Artem was the only one who nailed it.
Agent Krycek
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“He's amazing really, he has the control & flexibility of ballet with the rhythm for Latin and the grace and understanding of ballroom. He has the arms, control & grace for beautiful rumba, it's just whether he can connect with sensuality of a rumba. It could be his emotional breakthrough dance though”

And it might just make me go all unnecessary again, which will make a change from hiding behind a cushion, screaming 'make it stop, make it stop' with just about every other male rhumba (and quite a few female ones)
aggs
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by perdiedumpling:
“But who would have thought from his waltz & cha cha that his jive would be so good? I thought his Latin would be competent but unexciting, but how wrong was I?

He's got the timing that samba takes though, it's all down to getting the face working. Aliona isn't the most gurny of pros anyway, but I can see performance being the main thing the judges pick on now to try to keep his marks down. He could need a salsa or samba or Charleston to get a performance breakthrough.”

I think if he can get into a character he'll be fine <fingers crossed>. He has all the nuances in the jive with the acting at the start and carrying through into the dance. I don't think he will ever be able to hit the T&T/TTweeF levels of gurn - but then, few can!
aggs
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Register your family's email addresses on the BBC website and kindly vote on their behalf. My 16 year old son and my husband kindly voted on Saturday night 😇😂

Hubby voted once for Jeremy, but weirdly the rest of his votes seemed to agree with me 😇😂”


Both cats seem to want to vote and who am I to stand in their way I've promised them a vote for Helen if they are good
sofakat
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Rednell:
“I wanna see him Tango or AT. If Aliona pitches it right, it could be out of this world.”

If they do AT I am praying she gets an AT pro in the help her. It makes such a difference and Jay will love it.

If they do an SCD version is will be pants again with awful footwork and crap ganchos (or leg hooks as they love to call them on SCD *spit* ).
Alli-F
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“And it might just make me go all unnecessary again, which will make a change from hiding behind a cushion, screaming 'make it stop, make it stop' with just about every other male rhumba (and quite a few female ones)”



I think he's too good to be an excruciating, it doesn't have to be the "sex with clothes on" rumba that a lot of them do, it can be sweet & sensual. He's that good I would watch his rumba & not cringe, but it is a big risk if Aliona pitches it wrong.

Georgia's wasn't ewwww, it was quite sweet & unsexual.

I think his dancing is just going to make us all go unnecessary whatever it is he's dancing 😳😂 God, I love watching someone who's extraordinary at something, that in itself is sexy.
jtnorth
12-10-2015
I love Jay but I don't know if I'd go as far as WANTING someone to do the rumba! I'm not sure he's going to be able to stop looking like he's concentrating in some dances. He said jive was the one he was really looking forward to, and if he's too able the producers will stick him with some rubbish music to take him down a peg. I think I'd skip the paso if I were them - I can't see him successfully doing the obligatory 'paso face'. Can't wait to see what he can do, though.
Agent Krycek
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“He could actually like rumba like a real man, which would make a lovely change from the usual 'arch camp' version the pros tend to do. I think Artem was the only one who nailed it.”

Bloody hell, Darren Gough must have done a rhumba, as I clearly remember Colin doing, a rather good, one, in those days they didn't skip dances, thankfully I seem to have wiped all memory of it from my mind.
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