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If Dee was working in a care home
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hisdogspot
09-09-2014
... would you want your nearest and dearest left in her charge ?
kelly_barnard
09-09-2014
No I would not keep anyone in her care !
Scout66
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“... would you want your nearest and dearest left in her charge ?”

With all sincerity I don't think how people have interacted with Gary is any indication of how they interact with all sick and elderly people in other aspects of their own lives. Real life isn't the CBB house and Gary isn't representative of all senior citizens.
flower 2
09-09-2014
It's a frightening thought, and she wouldn't be to blame, she was 'pushed to her limits'....
racol5
09-09-2014
Pointing a knife
Pointing fingers
Standing over people
Talking behind peoples backs

I could go on.....

All traits that are habitual behaviour learnt over time.

I wonder who if anyone has asked BB producers for advice.
hunkydory
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by Scout66:
“With all sincerity I don't think how people have interacted with Gary is any indication of how they interact with all sick and elderly people in other aspects of their own lives. Real life isn't the CBB house and Gary isn't representative of all senior citizens.”

agree 100%
hisdogspot
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by Scout66:
“With all sincerity I don't think how people have interacted with Gary is any indication of how they interact with all sick and elderly people in other aspects of their own lives. Real life isn't the CBB house and Gary isn't representative of all senior citizens.”

You don't think there are old folk in care homes who present more challenging behaviour than Gary's ?

Dee presents herself as a 'carer'

I am asking if you'd trust her to 'care' for your elderly relative

It's a straight-forward question
danyell
09-09-2014
They do realise Gary's got brain damage right? Surely they can make some allowances for him.
kelly_barnard
09-09-2014
He has a brain injury!
Scout66
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by racol5:
“Pointing a knife
Pointing fingers
Standing over people
Talking behind peoples backs

I could go on.....

All traits that are habitual behaviour learnt over time.”

And those are all traits Gary has exhibited in the house as well. Okay he hasn't pointed a knife that we've seen.
racol5
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by Scout66:
“And those are all traits Gary has exhibited in the house as well. Okay he hasn't pointed a knife that we've seen.”

Did not say he hadn't but I would not want him as a carer either....
MargMck
09-09-2014
No I would not. In my post history somewhere there's a long debate with a very nice nurse member of DS about NHS care of the elderly. Basically my sharp as a knife mother broke her pelvis and while in hospital was "mistaken" by a nurse for another patient with dementia - and was shocked (and tortured) when the nurse got in a temper and manhandled her, roughly dragging her across the bed, thinking no one would find out.
Now I'm not saying Dee would do that, but some people just aren't suited for this sort of work and if they are prone to temper flare ups certainly shouldn't be employed where vulnerable people need care.
You need patience with the patients, and she definitely doesn't have that. You can't rage at them and then turn up with a cup of tea.
danyell
09-09-2014
You could argue that Big brother isn't a care home and why should the housemates look after Gary?
flower 2
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by danyell:
“You could argue that Big brother isn't a care home and why should the housemates look after Gary?”

I don't think he entered the house asking to be looked after, they just didn't listen to him, didn't allow him to listen to them......and assumed they had to...
MargMck
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by danyell:
“You could argue that Big brother isn't a care home and why should the housemates look after Gary?”

But that's not the OP's theoretical question - it's would you feel ok about Dee looking after a relative based on what we've seen. There is a difference.
An Thropologist
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“You don't think there are old folk in care homes who present more challenging behaviour than Gary's ?

Dee presents herself as a 'carer'

I am asking if you'd trust her to 'care' for your elderly relative

It's a straight-forward question”

I would be perfectly happy to have Dee care for an elderly relative of mine, subject to her having suitable disclosure about my relatives condition and needs ( I would expect this if any carer looking after my relative) access to their case notes ( I would expect this of any carer looking after my relative) and appropriate training in how to manage their needs and any unacceptable behaviour (I would expect this of any carer looking after my relative).

I would also expect the carer to be given support on the basis of who counsels the counsellor.
danyell
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“But that's not the OP's theoretical question - it's would you feel ok about Dee looking after a relative based on what we've seen. There is a difference.”

It's hypothetical so it's a pointless question. Dee's not the only one in the house being mean to Gary. So hardly any of them would be fit to care for him.
Scout66
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“You don't think there are old folk in care homes who present more challenging behaviour than Gary's ?

Dee presents herself as a 'carer'

I am asking if you'd trust her to 'care' for your elderly relative

It's a straight-forward question”

I took care of both my parents in the last years of their lives. So I have a pretty good understanding of what it takes to care for elderly people with multiple and chronic health challenges and conditions. My Dad spent the last months of his life in the hospital with a broken pelvis and pneumonia. He was older and much sicker than Gary yet he always a gentleman but even he could get cranky and demanding. Some of the staff were brilliant some were horrible. I'm not a fan of hers but I'd take her over a lot of people I've seen in BB or met in real life situations. I have a few friends who work in health care, one of them in a hospice. They are brilliant at what they do and work in incredibly stressful situations dealing not just with their patients but family members. Seeing them out that environment at a party or a night out one might not see that.
Having said that I have an immense amount of respect for people who do see working with elderly as vocation instead of just a pay cheque. It takes a special heart to work with aged and ill.
If I were to say nobody should let Gary around kids because you never know when he's going to drop trou and dangle his bits about I suspect I'd be rightly be rebutted with multiple posts telling me I was being ridiculous and couldn't say what he does in the CBB house is what he would do everywhere else.
hisdogspot
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I would be perfectly happy to have Dee care for an elderly relative of mine, subject to her having suitable disclosure about my relatives condition and needs ( I would expect this if any carer looking after my relative) access to their case notes ( I would expect this of any carer looking after my relative) and appropriate training in how to manage their needs and any unacceptable behaviour (I would expect this of any carer looking after my relative).

I would also expect the carer to be given support on the basis of who counsels the counsellor.”

I'm not asking what you would 'expect' from a carer in who's charge you place an elderly relative

I am asking if you would want Dee to have responsibility for your elderly relative's care and well-being, based on what you have seen of her
racol5
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I would be perfectly happy to have Dee care for an elderly relative of mine, subject to her having suitable disclosure about my relatives condition and needs ( I would expect this if any carer looking after my relative) access to their case notes ( I would expect this of any carer looking after my relative) and appropriate training in how to manage their needs and any unacceptable behaviour (I would expect this of any carer looking after my relative).

I would also expect the carer to be given support on the basis of who counsels the counsellor.”

I would also want two references to support that she can now carryout this role in an honest and professional manner to counteract her previous conviction when holding a responsible position which she was also trained for.
greenyone
09-09-2014
We could also ask the question would you want yourself or a relative cared for by some who are outraged by the treatment of Gary . Judging by some of the comments on here NO
x-Angel-Wings-x
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by racol5:
“Pointing a knife
Pointing fingers
Standing over people
Talking behind peoples backs

I could go on.....

All traits that are habitual behaviour learnt over time.

I wonder who if anyone has asked BB producers for advice.”

This made me mad. I was hoping someone would have said something to her about that. You don't point/wave knifes at anyone (unless of course you have the intention to use it on them ) Maybe if it wasn't Gary she was pointing it at someone would have said something
Bunions
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I would be perfectly happy to have Dee care for an elderly relative of mine, subject to her having suitable disclosure about my relatives condition and needs ( I would expect this if any carer looking after my relative) access to their case notes ( I would expect this of any carer looking after my relative) and appropriate training in how to manage their needs and any unacceptable behaviour (I would expect this of any carer looking after my relative).

I would also expect the carer to be given support on the basis of who counsels the counsellor.”

You wouldn't then, because carers don't get on-the-job counselling so she wouldn't fulfill the requirements of your condition.

Based on what I've seen and based on my experience in recruitment, I would consider her unsuitable because she lacks one of the key skills/abilities and that's patience.

She herself has said so.

I'd love to do Myers-Briggs testing on her.
scout2006
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by kelly_barnard:
“He has a brain injury!”


and Dee suffers from depression. They both have mental health issues so according to your logic Dee should be given the same leeway as Gary.
An Thropologist
09-09-2014
Originally Posted by racol5:
“I would also want two references to support that she can now carryout this role in an honest and professional manner to counteract her previous conviction when holding a responsible position which she was also trained for.”

Yes you are quite right. Lets get up a petition to make sure this woman never works again. It would be utterly ridiculous for anyone ever to employ anyone with a conviction ever again even in a thankless minimum wage job.
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