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griffin5779
10-09-2014
You like Gary? ok fine that your right.

But it I have to question people grasp on reality when they say Gary is Just fine and its ALL...ALL...the other people who are being rude to him. Logic has to tell you that if he annoys EVERY..EVERY..other person in the house he must have some serious flaws and issues that make him a nightmare to live with
jobielad
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by griffin5779:
“You like Gary? ok fine that your right.

But it I have to question people grasp on reality when they say Gary is Just fine and its ALL...ALL...the other people who are being rude to him. Logic has to tell you that if he annoys EVERY..EVERY..other person in the house he must have some serious flaws and issues that make him a nightmare to live with”

I haven't seen him annoy Audley yet - but then Audley is mature. Don't think he upset Frenchy either but I may be wrong on that
HailHenrik
10-09-2014
audley and frenchy liked him fine.

the only logic flawed here is yours. the same crap was said about freddy being bullied. oh well if half the house hate him he must be doing something wrong
Hillbillygale
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by griffin5779:
“You like Gary? ok fine that your right.

But it I have to question people grasp on reality when they say Gary is Just fine and its ALL...ALL...the other people who are being rude to him. Logic has to tell you that if he annoys EVERY..EVERY..other person in the house he must have some serious flaws and issues that make him a nightmare to live with”


When Gangs beat the hell out of one person, according to your logic the one on the floor is at fault, yep Gary is the monster.
Dangermoose
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by Hillbillygale:
“When Gangs beat the hell out of one person, according to your logic the one on the floor is at fault, yep Gary is the monster.”

Same as when one or two people are bullied all the way through school - obviously there's something wrong with them for everyone to make their lives a living hell by that same logic - right?
Kromm
10-09-2014
I don't think people have to think Gary's done nothing wrong. I think they have to consider the possibility that maybe a mentally ill, brain damaged addict didn't belong in there in the first place, and that because of that, since he WAS there, that's the filter the others should have seen him through. Essentially blameless, even if horrible to live with. He's done plenty wrong, but it's like being cruel to an animal who bites you. The animal bit you because it's an animal. Gary is not normal, and it's just hopeless to act like getting mad at him for that is going to suddenly make him normal. He shouldn't have been there, but if you were stuck with him, you have to deal with it in a better way than putting him in your crosshairs, because it's never going to work anyway, and you'll just look like a cruel idiot dong so.

If they had rage, it should have been aimed at Channel 5/the producers.
Elvispartacus
10-09-2014
end of day bit of rudeness never killed anybody

and they've all been rude at sometime

My CBB winner is the least rudist ... NOT

what else you got !!
quasimoron
10-09-2014
Gary showed why he annoys people the last few days, He is grumpy, unreasonable stubborn, interrupts because he thinks he is right and your point is invalid.He is imperious, set in his ways and rude and does not give a shoite about anyone in there but himself.
He is passive aggressive,a wind up and bullheaded to boot. There ya go.
griffin5779
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by HailHenrik:
“audley and frenchy liked him fine.

the only logic flawed here is yours. the same crap was said about freddy being bullied. oh well if half the house hate him he must be doing something wrong”

Frenchy was as almost as bad as gary..and unless i Missed Audly might tollerate him but i don't think he has any love for him.

sorry but there is no flew in my logic....It simply isn't everyone else that is and fault while Gary is a lovely guy. he would drive me mad
roseblue1
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“I don't think people have to think Gary's done nothing wrong. I think they have to consider the possibility that maybe a mentally ill, brain damaged addict didn't belong in there in the first place, and that because of that, since he WAS there, that's the filter the others should have seen him through. Essentially blameless, even if horrible to live with.

If they had rage, it should have been aimed at Channel 5/the producers.”

Dee should not be there also.............paying a thief to go on a show.
quasimoron
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“I don't think people have to think Gary's done nothing wrong. I think they have to consider the possibility that maybe a mentally ill, brain damaged addict didn't belong in there in the first place, and that because of that, since he WAS there, that's the filter the others should have seen him through. Essentially blameless, even if horrible to live with.

If they had rage, it should have been aimed at Channel 5/the producers.”

Why should anyone have to deal with that or tolerate it. If he is that bad he belongs in a safe supervised environment with trained staff, not some hapless Hm's who dont know how to handle him. if he is that bad, they have done well.
Deb Arkle
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by quasimoron:
“Gary showed why he annoys people the last few days, He is grumpy, unreasonable stubborn, interrupts because he thinks he is right and your point is invalid.He is imperious, set in his ways and rude and does not give a shoite about anyone in there but himself.
He is passive aggressive,a wind up and bullheaded to boot. There ya go.”

I agree with all the above, but he still makes me laugh lots.
weekarnygee
10-09-2014
Audley got a few boos tonight as did Gary you might see him taking a step back he has been quite close the last few days we will see if he changes. Game player who thinks that sticking up for Gary will make him look good
Elvispartacus
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by quasimoron:
“Why should anyone have to deal with that or tolerate it. If he is that bad he belongs in a safe supervised environment with trained staff, not some hapless Hm's who dont know how to handle him. if he is that bad, they have done well.”

Yeah LOCK them all up

KEEP them AWAY from the PUBLIC

griffin5779
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by Hillbillygale:
“When Gangs beat the hell out of one person, according to your logic the one on the floor is at fault, yep Gary is the monster.”

Gary is a pain in the ass to live with. if he wasn't the whole "gang" wouldn't be annoyed by him. Hey you come at a "gang" with a knife and insult them..they are going to beat the crap out of you. feel free to go out on the street and try it.
griffin5779
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by Deb Arkle:
“I agree with all the above, but he still makes me laugh lots. ”

I laugh too..he is a caricature of a burn out over the hill Hollywood star..the kinda character you would see written into a movie as comic relief..the kinda charater you laugh at..not with. ....but i still feel sorry for the others
amelie74
10-09-2014
I don't think Gary can do no wrong. He must be difficult to live with. A deaf, eccentric, set in his ways, brain damaged 70 yo American former movie star who's obviously had a lot of therapy.

What's the excuse for those of the other hms who have been rude aggressive and downright nasty towards him then projected their own failings onto him.

Audley apart I think they're an unpleasant set of hms but at least Gary has some excuse for the way he behaves.
Kromm
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by quasimoron:
“Why should anyone have to deal with that or tolerate it. If he is that bad he belongs in a safe supervised environment with trained staff, not some hapless Hm's who dont know how to handle him. if he is that bad, they have done well.”

Look at the practical end of it. Railing against Gary and treating him badly does nothing to fix the situation. It just highlights the lack of patience or forbearance in the people doing it.

The housemates should have had their backsides sitting in the Diary Room chairs as often as possible complaining THERE to the producers, but in the context of Gary's presence being unfair to everyone. It was that odd line of logic trying to cast Gary as some grand puppet master/sly manipulator that's been ridiculous. Gary's version of scheming is whispering at close to the top of his lungs. A sane, together man would know he's not being effective, and if the other housemates had any sense they'd realize this all goes back to Gary barely being functional, not him being some evil mastermind. Fighting with Gary is pointless. 100% of the time. So yes, they had a right to be mad, but being mad at Gary is like being mad at a hurricane. The more appropriate target for their temper should have been the people who put them in the path of the hurricane and blocked the evacuation routes. In other words, Channel 5.
Hillbillygale
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by Dangermoose:
“Same as when one or two people are bullied all the way through school - obviously there's something wrong with them for everyone to make their lives a living hell by that same logic - right? ”

Exactly,
Hillbillygale
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by griffin5779:
“Gary is a pain in the ass to live with. if he wasn't the whole "gang" wouldn't be annoyed by him. Hey you come at a "gang" with a knife and insult them..they are going to beat the crap out of you. feel free to go out on the street and try it.”

Oh my!
Jim_McIntosh
10-09-2014
Easiest going nature - Audley.
Most entertaining and interesting - Gary.

No one else merits consideration in my opinion unless something drastic happens before the end.

(All IMO obviously. Arguing about who you like is like arguing about what the best food is or who the best band is. People have different tastes and sensibilities and there's no real way of rationalising around that.)

(Also.....a lot of voters will vote for a person they like to watch as opposed to who they feel would be easiest to live with.)
Kromm
10-09-2014
Originally Posted by Jim_McIntosh:
“Easiest going nature - Audley.
Most entertaining and interesting - Gary.

No one else merits consideration in my opinion unless something drastic happens before the end.

(All IMO obviously. Arguing about who you like is like arguing about what the best food is or who the best band is. People have different tastes and sensibilities and there's no real way of rationalising around that.)”

My only big beefs with Audley have been:

1.) Even though we grew to realize what a pill/basket-case Kelly was, and even though Audley came up with a semi-credible excuse for his stated reason for voting for Kelly that first time, it made me question his judgment/sensitivity to have even put things in the terms he did in the first place. I think he really DOES perhaps have a problem with transgenderism, but covered his a*** later about it. It's hard to look at this one clearly though, again, because Kelly is such a basket-case and hard to look at fairly because of that.

2.) I didn't at all like Audley's childish "get Stephanie out" routine, where he kept insisting he was "over" their disagreement, but kept doing that. Love or hate Stephanie, it put Audley in the role of being two-faced/acting childish when he did that.

Other than those two things he's been pretty good compared to most of these idiots. I honestly wish there was a way for nobody to win this show, but if someone has to, Audley is a better choice than the others, I guess.
Vicario
11-09-2014
Originally Posted by griffin5779:
“You like Gary? ok fine that your right.

But it I have to question people grasp on reality when they say Gary is Just fine and its ALL...ALL...the other people who are being rude to him. Logic has to tell you that if he annoys EVERY..EVERY..other person in the house he must have some serious flaws and issues that make him a nightmare to live with”

I read that in James' voice!

With that logic, surely all the boos for James are justified, as they can't all be wrong?
Angel-Lover
11-09-2014
to me mostly it is starting to come across that gary is fine one to one, and mainly its the hand, and the shush.. put aside odd behaviour, and other annoying things, peeing on the toilet seat - not helping in chores etc,
I actually felt so sad when Audley was telling him about the habit of putting his hand up, and he was saying he couldn't hear, - the first time I have hears him speak like that, not so much raising his voice in anger at Audley, but the frustration in his voice - that he CANT hear when everyone is talking
- it must be hard in all honesty, they are all chopsing, over talking, interrupting, speaking fast. I know my OH gets so grumpy due to not having good hearing,he couldn't get used to aids he got from hospital, he found it more annoying to listen with them in as they disorted the sound to him and amplified sounds that interfered with what he was trying to listen to. it is quite amazing how grumpy someone can get if they are trying hard ot hear something - ask my kids, they were snapped at as 4 of them all over talking and laughing etc drives him mad when he is trying to listen, or join in

lauren came out saying James was the one who annoyed her most..she said she didn't like the way grown men spoke to "elderly men" ..Gary IOW.. and how he twisted things and blew things out fo proportion.
Ricci said he and gary were fine now, and he is great one to one - just not in a group
Edele said Gary was an easy target, and it was down to stress and offloading

lets recall Sam - who said he was quiet and didnt join in the chat as he couldn't hear with all the people talking- he backed out,to handle it, Someone like Gary, older and with more ego, self importance and confidence - goes the other way- he wants to listen and speak.
Janet_Hadfield
11-09-2014
Originally Posted by jobielad:
“I haven't seen him annoy Audley yet - but then Audley is mature. Don't think he upset Frenchy either but I may be wrong on that”

He annoyed Audley last night on the live feed, Audley finally realised why the others were getting irritated by Gary. Up to that point he had never pointed out to Gary why he upsets the other housemates by his rudeness and arrogance.
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