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x-Angel-Wings-x

11-09-2014

These is my take on it:

The way I see it, Gary is one of those people branded "eccentric" and people have been calling him "crazy" for years. My view on this is that the ones branding him are simply misunderstanding him. Yes he had a terrible accident, yes it left him with a traumatic head injury, yes he had brain issues and yes he is old. None of that is the issue. Society brands people instead of accepting and trying to understand them. What should have been done, is for each housemate to individually approach Gary and speak to him about their "issue". Instead, we saw Gary do all the work and try to figure out why people had "issues" with him. This is so very wrong. People need to learn that no matter the situation, no matter what you're going through or have been through, no matter what type of person you are.. We are all equal. We all have a duty to help one another. Every single housemate in this show bar Audley, Frenchy and last night Lauren failed to do that. Gary may well have flaws but that no longer matters. What matters is that these "celebrities" have treated another HUMAN BEING like he didn't matter. A man who has a partner, 3 children, family, friends and fans who care about him. Gary deserves better.

That is all.
Last edited by x-Angel-Wings-x : 11-09-2014 at 08:10

Jennyloo

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by Kromm:
“I don't think people have to think Gary's done nothing wrong. I think they have to consider the possibility that maybe a mentally ill, brain damaged addict didn't belong in there in the first place, and that because of that, since he WAS there, that's the filter the others should have seen him through. Essentially blameless, even if horrible to live with. He's done plenty wrong, but it's like being cruel to an animal who bites you. The animal bit you because it's an animal. Gary is not normal, and it's just hopeless to act like getting mad at him for that is going to suddenly make him normal. He shouldn't have been there, but if you were stuck with him, you have to deal with it in a better way than putting him in your crosshairs, because it's never going to work anyway, and you'll just look like a cruel idiot dong so.

If they had rage, it should have been aimed at Channel 5/the producers.”

He's not mentally ill

he's old. Yes he has had brain damage. Yes he is deaf. Yes he has a bad knee. But hes in there to get money for his charity that supports children with the desease his son has.
I agree channel5 has turned this show into a circus. Maybe with Viacom it will get better. Or I think I'll give it a miss. Not good for the soul to watch it.

Jennyloo

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“Dee should not be there also.............paying a thief to go on a show.”

Disgusting what with her and Helen. James should be ashamed of himself too. Just what is his problem.

kimindex

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“Dee should not be there also.............paying a thief to go on a show.”

You keep coming out with that. She has served her punishment and is taking opportunities. I wonder what you'd say if she didn't?

Stigmatising someone for life isn't good penal policy. I assume you don't believe in rehabilitation either.

In any case, you're not on any moral high ground with your continual condemnations and your seeming gleeful desire to want her punishment to last forever. Perhaps you think you're on safe ground there with a reason to censure her. (And, no, that doesn't mean I support theft, as you've also accused people of doing, and, yes, I am employed and pay a lot of taxes).

Dangermoose

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by x-Angel-Wings-x:
“These is my take on it:

The way I see it, Gary is one of those people branded "eccentric" and people have been calling him "crazy" for years. My view on this is that the ones branding him are simply misunderstanding him. Yes he had a terrible accident, yes it left him with a traumatic head injury, yes he had brain issues and yes he is old. None of that is the issue. Society brands people instead of accepting and trying to understand them. What should have been done, is for each housemate to individually approach Gary and speak to him about their "issue". Instead, we saw Gary do all the work and try to figure out why people had "issues" with him. This is so very wrong. People need to learn that no matter the situation, no matter what you're going through or have been through, no matter what type of person you are.. We are all equal. We all have a duty to help one another. Every single housemate in this show bar Audley, Frenchy and last night Lauren failed to do that. Gary may well have flaws but that no longer matters. What matters is that these "celebrities" have treated another HUMAN BEING like he didn't matter. A man who has a partner, 3 children, family, friends and fans who care about him. Gary deserves better.

That is all.”

Excellent post Angel

cherry pip

11-09-2014

Well said Angel. Sadly though, when someone defends bullying like this, it makes it harder for anyone 'different' to be accepted and trust me, I know

LightMeUp

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by Angel-Lover:
“to me mostly it is starting to come across that gary is fine one to one, and mainly its the hand, and the shush.. put aside odd behaviour, and other annoying things, peeing on the toilet seat - not helping in chores etc,
I actually felt so sad when Audley was telling him about the habit of putting his hand up, and he was saying he couldn't hear, - the first time I have hears him speak like that, not so much raising his voice in anger at Audley, but the frustration in his voice - that he CANT hear when everyone is talking
- it must be hard in all honesty, they are all chopsing, over talking, interrupting, speaking fast. I know my OH gets so grumpy due to not having good hearing,he couldn't get used to aids he got from hospital, he found it more annoying to listen with them in as they disorted the sound to him and amplified sounds that interfered with what he was trying to listen to. it is quite amazing how grumpy someone can get if they are trying hard ot hear something - ask my kids, they were snapped at as 4 of them all over talking and laughing etc drives him mad when he is trying to listen, or join in

lauren came out saying James was the one who annoyed her most..she said she didn't like the way grown men spoke to "elderly men" ..Gary IOW.. and how he twisted things and blew things out fo proportion.
Ricci said he and gary were fine now, and he is great one to one - just not in a group
Edele said Gary was an easy target, and it was down to stress and offloading

lets recall Sam - who said he was quiet and didnt join in the chat as he couldn't hear with all the people talking- he backed out,to handle it, Someone like Gary, older and with more ego, self importance and confidence - goes the other way- he wants to listen and speak.”

*claps*
It annoys me that people think this mans disability isn't a 'good enough excuse' for his behaviour. Having a disability is really very frustrating at times. Especially when you're living with a group of people with absolutely no empathy between them.

x-Angel-Wings-x

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by Dangermoose:
“Excellent post Angel ”

Thank you

Originally Posted by cherry pip:
“Well said Angel. Sadly though, when someone defends bullying like this, it makes it harder for anyone 'different' to be accepted and trust me, I know ”

Thank you

yes I know. It's why Gary fans or just decent people need to make others aware of what is really going on. Education is the first step. By telling people what Gary's issues are, making them aware then eventually we can succeed in stopping this.

cherry pip

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by x-Angel-Wings-x:
“

Thank you yes I know. It's why Gary fans or just decent people need to make others aware of what is really going on. Education is the first step. By telling people what Gary's issues are, making them aware then eventually we can succeed in stopping this.”

Absolutely Angel. We've had a few obstacles over the years with our children having mental disabilities. You never get hardened to it. One thing I've found is that a lot of understanding people come from poorer backgrounds, similar to Dee. They take in what you say and see the person for who they are. That is one thing that has upset me with Dee, I honestly thought she'd understand, whether I liked her or not.

Education is a must and it needs to start when children go to school

kimindex

12-09-2014

Originally Posted by Janet_Hadfield:
“He annoyed Audley last night on the live feed, Audley finally realised why the others were getting irritated by Gary. Up to that point he had never pointed out to Gary why he upsets the other housemates by his rudeness and arrogance.”

That's interesting. Probably too late (and some Gary fans wouldn't care if he blasphemed the Queen and spat at a camera. It would be 'sooooo funny').

kimindex

12-09-2014

Originally Posted by x-Angel-Wings-x:
“Thank you

Thank you yes I know. It's why Gary fans or just decent people need to make others aware of what is really going on. Education is the first step. By telling people what Gary's issues are, making them aware then eventually we can succeed in stopping this.”

So here we go again. The implied calumny that if you don't buy into the cult of Gary you're not a decent person or lack awareness of certain issues. Shameful.

BlueStreak

12-09-2014

Originally Posted by Kromm:
“I don't think people have to think Gary's done nothing wrong. I think they have to consider the possibility that maybe a mentally ill, brain damaged addict didn't belong in there in the first place, and that because of that, since he WAS there, that's the filter the others should have seen him through. Essentially blameless, even if horrible to live with. He's done plenty wrong, but it's like being cruel to an animal who bites you. The animal bit you because it's an animal. Gary is not normal, and it's just hopeless to act like getting mad at him for that is going to suddenly make him normal. He shouldn't have been there, but if you were stuck with him, you have to deal with it in a better way than putting him in your crosshairs, because it's never going to work anyway, and you'll just look like a cruel idiot dong so.

If they had rage, it should have been aimed at Channel 5/the producers.”

By that token Dee is mentally ill. Depression if she still has it is classed as a mental illness.

DavetheSensible

12-09-2014

Originally Posted by kimindex:
“So here we go again. The implied calumny that if you don't buy into the cult of Gary you're not a decent person or lack awareness of certain issues. Shameful.”

Exactly what the post didn't say. Anywhere. It's your implication
What it said was he can be used as an example to explain a condition or conditions, and perhaps people's attitudes to disability can change.

BlueStreak

12-09-2014

Very well said angel.

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