James Jordan- - Alpha male or insecure and mentally frail? A critique

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molliepops

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by Heyyouoverthere:
“Are you in the house how on earth do you know Audley has done nothing for Gary? Just as James loves to tell Gary and us how much he has helped him blah blah i have never seen that either just him berating Gary and having a go at him. Stop jumping to conclusions based on diddly squat!”

Aren't we all doing that we see so little we have to make judgements on what little we do see and guess the rest.

Nosaer

11-09-2014

I found it quite telling that Kellie said there were shades of Frank in James. This combined with James rabid dislike of Kellie makes me think their may be a mental 'frailty' in James' denial of his own femininity and his overemphasis on what he considers to be masculine traits (combatitive).

AOTB

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“I wasn't referring to any one person in particular. I was talking in general. Apologies if it ddn't come across like that.”

Hey no problemo and it's all cool- I take no offence and even if you had said it directly to me it would have been fine, I can happily clarify my stance if needbe without taking umbrage!

I do take your point, and I do agree that many people do what you say, I am merely clarifying for the record, I am categorically not one of them.

Post in peace.

Pitman

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by molliepops:
“BIB that is very true if he had arguments with people not liked and almost worshipped he would be the champion IMO”

he'd be a bellend no matter who he rowed with, he even showed himself to be a total bellend in his row with Frenchy after she cut Leslie's pants up, it takes a special kind of knob to come out of that looking the bad guy, but James did

Heyyouoverthere

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by molliepops:
“They all knew they would be living with strangers but as has been said so many times Gary seems to need care none of them would have thought they would need to tend to a man who is clearly damaged. I blame the producers, and his family really for allowing him to do this show I don't think he should have been put in this position, people seem to be laughing at him not with him most of the time.”

Where is he clearly damaged. Some of the things he has said have been very intelligent like when he shouted at James and told him a few home truths. He has a few problems but no where do i see him as being damaged. How rude!

ABCZYX

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by AOTB:
“Hey no problemo and it's all cool- I take no offence and even if you had said it directly to me it would have been fine, I can happily clarify my stance if needbe without taking umbrage!

I do take your point, and I do agree that many people do what you say, I am merely clarifying for the record, I am categorically not one of them.

Post in peace. ”

Thanks.

AOTB

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by dialectic:
“Calling your views your own does not equal objective though, I would say subjective would be more apt when you call a HM an 'arse' or 'the worst to ever grace your TV screen'. I get your drift in what you say but it is more a rant then a critique. So please don't turn up the volume.”

I hear what you are saying, but given my posting history and the fact the naughtiest word I used is another word for a bottom, I'd say I can still claim my objectivity.

In the post you quoted I even say 'I try to be objective'. This is of course very different to anyone claiming they can be 100% objective, 100% of the time.

When I look at this forum and the names and nasty superlative stuff that is said about all manner of HM's with great regularity and often by the same posters, who ARE pretty outrageous, arse seems pretty mild in comparison to be fair. I feel secure that my outrageous use of this most heinous of descriptors will not dent my fine upstanding DS objectivity.

As for critique vs rant, I say potato, you say po-tar-toe all that jazz.

Perhaps I will concede or compromise on on a 'ranting critique'. But that's ya lot.

Virgil Tracy

11-09-2014

An alpha to my way of thinking would be a lot more laid back , they occasionally have to put someone down but mainly they exude power and don't have to demonstrate it too often .

James is a gobby , aggressive , shit stirring irritant , he's formidable in the sense that he will argue endlessly and when not doing that will spread posion and backstab til the cows come home , so inevitably a lot of HMs will want to stay on his side .

there's something quite desperate about him which is kinda summed up in his embarassing overly-loud laugh whenver he makes one of his 'put-downs' which are never that good but he hopes will get a huge laugh , you can see it in his eyes .

I imagine he's hoping to get a position as a sort of Simon Cowell type , but hopefully we'll not see him again .

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planets

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I am guessing he wasn't joking on that occasion, like most people he won't always be happy and joking he will have his serious or even dark moments it's called being human. I don't like his or anyone else's use of that sort of language. But I accept he is flawed and still think he has given more to the show than any of the others at this stage. Still a bit sad Leslie was voted out he was my winner this time.”

Originally Posted by planets:
“he was laughing calling AUdley a C*** to get Dee and Edele to laugh too then they all joked about how Audley would be Gary in 30 years time - how is that James being "serious" or having a "dark moment" ?
that was his idea of witty”

you didn't answer my question but fifi was referring to the same incident i detailed above and you replied with the following quote, can you explain how the above is what you call bantering? in this quote:

Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I agree but I think in there they do think they know each other well enough to banter like that, we are told often enough a week in there is long enough to fall in love so perhaps they really do feel they can do this too.”

calling someone a C*** and laughing about it while they are not in the room is NOT bantering, that;s just being a coward.

dialectic

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by AOTB:
“I hear what you are saying, but given my posting history and the fact the naughtiest word I used is another word for a bottom, I'd say I can still claim my objectivity.

When I look at this forum and the names and nasty superlative stuff that is said about all manner of HM's with great regularity and often by the same posters, who ARE pretty outrageous, arse seems pretty mild in comparison to be fair. I feel secure that my outrageous use of this most heinous of descriptors will not dent my fine upstanding DS objectivity.

As for critique vs rant, I say potato, you say po tar toe all that jazz.

Perhaps I will concede or compromise on on a 'ranting critique'. But that's ya lot.”

Prefer spud; I like to call a spud a spud.

Heyyouoverthere

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by molliepops:
“That I can't disagree with at all, clearly he is the Alpha. Doesn't make me like him though.”

Nobody said you had to like him did they. It's clearr from you repeating how James has a twinkle in his eye and a wicked sense of humour who you like.

What name??

11-09-2014

Banter is between friends. He sims his nasty comments at people he dislikes. It's malicious not mischievous or bante.

Sasparella

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by fifitrixibelle:
“Not sure why that would be seen to be an issue..........they are the most important things to most of us I would have thought...........not sure about the 'BB community challenges' and what that means though.......I just don't think his 'thing' is bitching and moaning, besides which James long since decided he didn't like Audley and does his best (though fails) to wind him up and humiliate him.............fine,plenty on here seem to find that clever entertainment on the part of James but I suspect Audley doesn't.......and so why would he want to spend time with mind sets like that?
As for Gary, we don't know what he does and doesn't do in the way of helping...we do see in the highlights those HM's that make a song and dance out of it and I suspect Audley helps if needed but without the drama....I don't feel I have been hoodwinked at all, nice to see a stable, tolerant person who does not follow the pack and knows that his family and self are worth far more than going down the road of the petty bitching and grandstanding from most of the other HM's.”

Hear hear, good post !

Bela

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by Pitman:
“he'd be a bellend no matter who he rowed with, he even showed himself to be a total bellend in his row with Frenchy after she cut Leslie's pants up, it takes a special kind of knob to come out of that looking the bad guy, but James did ”

A special kind of knob coming out of Leslie's pants? Must revisit that clip.

Reeta_Taker

11-09-2014

He's just playing winking and telling people how it is
Basically he's an egotistical weapon that will self implode one day
Poor cow

YesNoMan

11-09-2014

JUST BECAUSE HE'S A DANCER DOESN'T MEAN HE'S GAY.

And that's the beginning and end of it really, isn't it.

Heyyouoverthere

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by molliepops:
“No idea what #BANTZ means so will leave that aside but it isn't black and white to me because very little in life is, I have said he is flawed and this is for me all part of him. I want HMs to be themselves and show us all their sides he has done that and been fascinating I can't ask for any more than that from a good HM.

If I felt Gary was showing us the real him I might see him differently but the preaching and nonsense he talks just loses me every time. He is thinking of every word before speaking and I don't think that is his brain damage it's his thinking how he can wind them up more. Obviously just my opinion I am not in his head but then that is all any of us really have opinions because we have no idea what others are really thinking.”

I am glad he winds them up it is no different to what James is doing. At least he has shown up a few of them for what they really are and have made them work for their money.

planets

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by YesNoMan:
“JUST BECAUSE HE'S A DANCER DOESN'T MEAN HE'S GAY.”

or scared

Originally Posted by YesNoMan:
“And that's the beginning and end of it really, isn't it.”

i hope that's clear now

Bela

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by Nosaer:
“I found it quite telling that Kellie said there were shades of Frank in James. This combined with James rabid dislike of Kellie makes me think their may be a mental 'frailty' in James' denial of his own femininity and his overemphasis on what he considers to be masculine traits (combatitive).”

Really? The same Kellie that had not one ounce of objectivity about or insight into herself? The self-serving, self-absorbed Kellie that acted like a petulant child for the majority of her time in the house? The bitter, twisted, spiteful Kellie that tried to get Audley thrown out of the house? That Kellie? Seriously?

eva_prior

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by planets:
“or scared

i hope that's clear now”

Crystal.

Deja vu

HBB

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Hmmmmmmmmmmmm .....................a lot of food for thought there.

I have not been one way or the other with James TBH - not exactly warmed to him but not really hated him either.

I can't stand seeing people attacked simply because they are at odds with the out and out favourite (I think they should be judged in a stand alone way) - I think I may have disliked him if it weren't for the onslaught of negativity from over zealous Gary fans - because of that I think I've given him the benefit of the doubt a bit (if that makes sense).

Recently returned from a weeks holiday and think I have a clearer perspective though and .........................nah I don't like him much (nor Gary).

I think I only really like Audley and maybe Edele.”

Anyone not hating James just isn't trying hard enough.

Cranberryapple

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by Purves Grundy:
“The thing that really gets me with James is that he knows Gary has a brain injury, as he's admitted. This means that he knows Gary's problems are not just because he's a 70 year old man with hearing difficulties. But he never, ever cuts Gary any slack over making abrupt statements and socially awkward behaviour (classic signs of brain trauma), no matter how trivial they may be. He always has to confront Gary and berate him to his face like he was a toddler or something.”

I agree. James is forever bringing up " I have an 84 yr old grandfather who isn't rude like you ". He more or less repeats that Gary should not be allowed to be rude just because he's 'old'..

He does not give any slack to the brain injury that perhaps ( as they all like to say ) is making him rude ( I don't think he is btw )

Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“Well for starters. Here is one member of the GBP that hasn't been hoodwinked in the slightest.

Double HONK for Gary and Audley.

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HONK HONK

Veri

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by dialectic:
“Yet he mainly comes across as someone who cares painfully about what other people think about him. He reacts to any slight given to him. His constant mantra to Gary, that he is the one who 'cares' and has done so much for him, was shouted so loud and with the wider audience in mind. When he received boos, he agonised over what was been shown and protests so much that he has a good heart and a cheeky sense of humour.
He seems to behave almost always with an audience in mind.

In order to believe this coming to awareness, you have to believe all this other self-protective awareness was void to begin with.”

I don't think I do have to; and in any case, I don't.

HBB

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by YesNoMan:
“JUST BECAUSE HE'S A DANCER DOESN'T MEAN HE'S GAY.

And that's the beginning and end of it really, isn't it.”

Just because he's married doesn't mean he is straight

HBB

11-09-2014

Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“I don't like it when a HM gets attacked purely because they dare to dislike someone's favourite HM, or vice versa, when a HM gets attacked because they dare to like someone's least favourite HM.”

I hate him because he's a horrible man.

I don't like Gary either.

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