Why is that then Bela? What exactly does it tell you and which bit in particular do you find really interesting/ funny? It's certainly no surprise to me if others have said similar.

In life, and indeed on these forums, it's fairly commonplace to look at 'oddly matched' couples when it comes to attractiveness (and/ or other factors, such as age, background etc) and imo I believe it most certainly applies here. You see people talk about Dee and Ricci (or any number of other examples) and how they might make an odd couple that you wouldn't necessarily picture together, so it's no different really.

I know exactly what it tells me, and there is far more to it than I put, but would be interested to hear exactly what it tells you.

I haven't worked my way through all the points that have been made on this thread yet. But (and I hope Kromm the author, will excuse me) I do feel that these comments are well placed here:

"It became clear that most of the "[Lauren's] playing with Ricci" story was generated by JAMES first encouraging the two of them to try it, even after Lauren said she wasn't interested, and then James also being the one to "warn" Ricci that she was playing with him. In other words, it was James manipulating and playing a mind game."

I don't need to add much of a gloss here, other than to say I agree wholeheartedly. He's very manipulative. Once he's got his hold on a weaker minded person, he works at imposing his own divisive agenda.

Objectively, James is a good looking man, though not very attractive when everything else is added.

Agree - reminded me of a saying in my networks:

'Dance little birdie... die little birdie....dance little birdie... die little birdie...'

It's a very abusive behaviour pattern.

Ya think Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I mean no offence to you, but I find his looks repellent. Rodent like. His personality is almost more appealling than his looks

I was trying to be charitable, when someone said he is way out of his wife's league; looks wise, he's probably not that far out.

I really don't think he is good looking, objectively or otherwise. It's certainly not anything to do with why I've really enjoyed him as a HM.

I'd say he rates himself higher than he is, after all when he looks at himself he probably sees Brad Pitt.

I see him as having a massive ego, liar, shit stirrer and very cruel and hurtful especially to those he bully's, which in the house is Gary as he is the easy target this year.

No worries. ( agree with the rest of your post BTW)


Yes. That's a good insight. I feel he treats Gary like a child...one minute Nurturing Parent, next minute Critical Parent. It's like watching some NHS nurses with anyone elderly....all loud talking and patronising 'caring'.

Although I must confess, your saying made me think of Steve Martin in The Man with Two Brains: "Oh pointy bird, oh pointy pointy. Anoint my head....anointy-nointy".

I tend to disagree. I think it's a strange environment in there - a lot happens - a lot of BB manipulations go on. I think it's understandable/forgiveable to be inconsistent - I would imagine your heads all over the place.

Well, to be fair to him, he did point to his face (ages back clip in the aftermath of the first boos) and acknowledge that it had a natural-born angry/arrogant look about it so I'm not sure that James does see himself as particularly good-looking....

I think he's more simian. Google "macaque monkey". You'll totally see it.

Was he saying this as a defense for someone saying he looked angry at the time? I don't recall the scenario.

Totally!

No, I think it was just him acknowledging why he may come across as a very angry aggressive person. And it wasn't in isolation, or just as an excuse for the booing, it was part of a conversation where he was explaining how he is when he's teaching someone to dance and how he's worked with a lot of people whose 1st language is not English

It was quite an insightful clip. If I find it, I'll post.

Okay, fair enough. So to be clear, you genuinely that think James' encouraging an openly recalcitrant Lauren to be more open to Ricci's advances one week and then criticising her for doing exactly as he suggested as being "playing Ricci for a showmance" the next, as simply 'changes in the weather' rather than any kind of insincerity or underhandedness?

Please do. Thanks

Yes I do. I would think an awful lot has happened in between and there has been a lot going on that we haven't seen (her getting drunk and upsetting everyone is just one example). Living 24/7 with people with no other input I would imagine your opinions sway to and fro quite frequently.

It's not like he said it one day and then went against it the next. Lots of stuff would have happened in between.

I can't speak for Penny, but for me, James seemed to change his views the night Lauren deliberately/'accidentally' bared her breasts in the pool, right after being nominated. In James' old-fashioned, possibly chauvinist head, she seemed to slip right down in his estimations then. He seemed almost repulsed by her. I think he has standards of how ladies should behave that he clearly didn't apply to the awful Ricci who seemed to think he had possession of her body simply because she'd flirted with him. James viewed her then as calculating where perhaps he hadn't before.

I see him as one of the mustelidae family - weasels. ferrets etc.

I stoatally know what you mean.

Much as I'm grateful you taught me the word "mustelidae", having googled them and seen nothing but adorable little furry faces, I'm sticking with Macaque.

Oh yes, the 'Frank Doberman' reminiscent "My Wife!" convo - another on the list of James' faults: his obnoxiously paternalistic retardation.

FFS he's only 36, it's not as if he even has old age to blame his nobbishness Re: women on.

I think this post is well observed Biko.

I agree that James is compelled to compete with superior male figures in the house such as Audley, and perhaps even Gary (notice we only ever see James ridiculing either stronger or weaker figures in the house, never his peer / support group.) Indeed is James intimidated by Gary's arguably superior 'international' celebrity status?

Is that why James has collected a small group around him who damn Gary at all opportunities, whereas Audley who is arguably more secure in his world-class status, is OK to just jog along with the awld bugger?

I also agree about the Panto Villian, I would doubt a veteran of Blackpool like James hasn't cottoned on to the lucrative Panto opportunities there.