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Old 11-09-2014, 21:20
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I can't speak for Penny, but for me, James seemed to change his views the night Lauren deliberately/'accidentally' bared her breasts in the pool, right after being nominated. In James' old-fashioned, possibly chauvinist head, she seemed to slip right down in his estimations then. He seemed almost repulsed by her. I think he has standards of how ladies should behave...
I'm not so sure...
I know he's fond of quoting what his wife would or wouldn't do, but his theorizing doesn't always hold water

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Old 11-09-2014, 21:29
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Listen to the guy on this 'Game Player' task. Jeez.


I may need to make a part 2 to this thread.
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Old 11-09-2014, 21:30
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I'm not so sure...
I know he's fond of quoting what his wife would or wouldn't do, but his theorizing doesn't always hold water

http://s22.postimg.org/wdc5wwehd/Ola.jpg
I don't get it. Ola isn't roaring drunk and exposing her bare breasts for attention here. I should imagine James feels proud when Ola is looking beautiful and sexy.
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Old 11-09-2014, 21:42
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I don't get it. Ola isn't roaring drunk and exposing her bare breasts for attention here. I should imagine James feels proud when Ola is looking beautiful and sexy.
Proud that his wife goes out in public in a completely see through top exposing her bare breasts, but because she's not drunk that makes it fine?
Some people would think being so calculating for photographers is worse than doing it when drunk.

Edit: I don't get why he'd think that gives Ola the moral highground is my point
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Old 11-09-2014, 21:48
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Proud that his wife goes out in public in a completely see through top exposing her bare breasts, but because she's not drunk that makes it fine?
Some people would think being so calculating for photographers is worse than doing it when drunk.

Edit: I don't get why he'd think that gives Ola the moral highground is my point
I don't think it's quite that bad. I mean, I wouldn't wear something semi-seethrough without a bra, but many is the celeb who's been accidentally over-exposed by a camera glare.

And I can actually imagine James not minding because he'd feel territorial and proud, as in "this is all mine". I can even imagine him approving the dress first.
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Old 11-09-2014, 23:05
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I should start by clarifying I think the guy is an absolute arse of a man. A nasty, spiteful, deluded, hugely insecure muppet whose fears and insecurities manifest itself in his nasty, trolling arrogant and misplaced ways. .

He has delusions of grandeur when it comes to him and his position on both life and the pecking order and where he fits into it.
He tries to project an image of some make believe alpha male when in reality he is about as far from an alpha male as can be. I've never bought what this guy's been selling, and wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He is just not a nice person.

He is like someone who has a slightly different but similar version of 'small man syndrome', desperately trying to prove something to everyone around him, desperate for their approval of his 'status' and to make people believe he is some kind of dominant strong character but it just seems totally false and totally put on for show. He is in fact the polar opposite of these things.

His actions and reactions belie his true cowardly, insecure, desperate for approval and recognition, nature.

There have been a number of times when challenged where it's become pretty damn clear James is not just NOT an alpha male but he'd also struggle with being a beta male. The only time he could ever be thought of as a strong alpha type is when he is surrounded by weak sycophants who weirdly might pander to him.

If he is amongst weak minded fools or runts of the litter, like Ricci or Lauren or George etc then sure he may be the alpha by default, but in front of any normal blokes or a real alpha type he cowers and runs. It's happened a few times now in there.

If he's not talking about knocking out a 70 year old man and then cowering like a coward when the 70 year old man tells him to 'stand up', he's wrongly thinking he has words of 'wisdom' to say, berating Gary yet again, and then again skulking off like the coward he is when Audley tells him how it is.

The guy cowers in fear when an actual alpha male even glances at him, let alone picks him up on the bull he comes out with and he runs of with his tail between his legs.

I think he has to be one of the most obnoxious, humourless, bitter, twisted HMs I have ever had the misfortune to see on my TV screen.

I can hold my hands up and say he's made a decent HM, and I'd totally have kept him in til now, but this isn't a badge of honour, it's purely a comment on what a total arse of a human being and nasty piece of work this guy is.

Each to their own of course, but I fail to see how anyone can make excuses for him, or like him, or try to make out he's a decent guy worthy of even the most minuscule bit of admiration.

There's far far more but for now I shall leave it there on this guy, and would be interested to hear other people's thoughts on him.
I always enjoy your posts AOTB and this one even more. You summoned up James better than I could.

As someone pointed out this guy is a walking contradiction, he says he likes telling it like it is but absolutely can not take any criticism or feedback like we saw how he reacted to the conflict resolution counselling.

He also extremely immature and petty like how tonight when Audley was talking in the dairy room and in the task constantly mocking with his side comments.

I agree with your assessment that he is one of the nastiest person we have ever seen on reality TV
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Old 11-09-2014, 23:10
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James is not an alpha. Bullies are not alphas. James is Machiavellian, and vile. Audley and Gary are alphas....well-established ones at that.
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Old 11-09-2014, 23:30
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To me, James shows manipulative narcissistic type behaviour that is designed to isolate and allow him to control. He makes a very good cult leader. He has problems with Audley and Gary because they are uncontrollable, and Gary serves no purpose for him. He doesn't fit into the role of martyr, otherwise he'd latch onto Gary like a barnacle on a ship.
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Old 11-09-2014, 23:40
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I should start by clarifying I think the guy is an absolute arse of a man. A nasty, spiteful, deluded, hugely insecure muppet whose fears and insecurities manifest itself in his nasty, trolling arrogant and misplaced ways. .

He has delusions of grandeur when it comes to him and his position on both life and the pecking order and where he fits into it.
He tries to project an image of some make believe alpha male when in reality he is about as far from an alpha male as can be. I've never bought what this guy's been selling, and wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He is just not a nice person.

He is like someone who has a slightly different but similar version of 'small man syndrome', desperately trying to prove something to everyone around him, desperate for their approval of his 'status' and to make people believe he is some kind of dominant strong character but it just seems totally false and totally put on for show. He is in fact the polar opposite of these things.

His actions and reactions belie his true cowardly, insecure, desperate for approval and recognition, nature.

There have been a number of times when challenged where it's become pretty damn clear James is not just NOT an alpha male but he'd also struggle with being a beta male. The only time he could ever be thought of as a strong alpha type is when he is surrounded by weak sycophants who weirdly might pander to him.

If he is amongst weak minded fools or runts of the litter, like Ricci or Lauren or George etc then sure he may be the alpha by default, but in front of any normal blokes or a real alpha type he cowers and runs. It's happened a few times now in there.

If he's not talking about knocking out a 70 year old man and then cowering like a coward when the 70 year old man tells him to 'stand up', he's wrongly thinking he has words of 'wisdom' to say, berating Gary yet again, and then again skulking off like the coward he is when Audley tells him how it is.

The guy cowers in fear when an actual alpha male even glances at him, let alone picks him up on the bull he comes out with and he runs of with his tail between his legs.

I think he has to be one of the most obnoxious, humourless, bitter, twisted HMs I have ever had the misfortune to see on my TV screen.

I can hold my hands up and say he's made a decent HM, and I'd totally have kept him in til now, but this isn't a badge of honour, it's purely a comment on what a total arse of a human being and nasty piece of work this guy is.

Each to their own of course, but I fail to see how anyone can make excuses for him, or like him, or try to make out he's a decent guy worthy of even the most minuscule bit of admiration.

There's far far more but for now I shall leave it there on this guy, and would be interested to hear other people's thougchts on him.
Brilliantly articulated well said.I have never before wanted to fast forward my tv as much. I just find the man abhorrant!
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Old 11-09-2014, 23:43
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I have tried to see redeeming features, but alas none seen!as for helping Gary! Oh yes in the most condesending and patronizing way!
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Old 12-09-2014, 00:38
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Deep V Thrombosis
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Old 12-09-2014, 00:45
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OK - gone off him BIG TIME tonight. I was a bit meh before my holiday - came back and read the threads on here and thought 'that's a bit unfair - he can't be that bad'. I take it back - he is.
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:03
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OK - gone off him BIG TIME tonight. I was a bit meh before my holiday - came back and read the threads on here and thought 'that's a bit unfair - he can't be that bad'. I take it back - he is.
he's been really ghastly Penny...hope you had a nice holiday though!
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:07
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he's been really ghastly Penny...hope you had a nice holiday though!
I did thank you very much.

It's been a hard slog this season of BB's - I felt my holiday was well deserved
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:14
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I did thank you very much.

It's been a hard slog this season of BB's - I felt my holiday was well deserved
oh glad to hear it, yes indeed well deserved i take my hat off to anyone who lasted through the civilian BB!
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Old 12-09-2014, 02:10
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James is, without a doubt, the most narccistic person I have ever seen. A family member of mine has had counselling and been diagnosed as having narcissism so I have been around it. But james!! I'm actually finding him a bit unbearable to watch, that ego and winding up is through the roof! Even if someone says something negative about him (ie getting boos), he relishes in it because it about HIM. There is confident, there is cocky and then there is James. Audley must be the most self controlled man, I honestly don't know many men that wouldn't have lost it with him after the stuff he has continuely said to him.
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Old 12-09-2014, 08:48
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I don't think it's quite that bad. I mean, I wouldn't wear something semi-seethrough without a bra, but many is the celeb who's been accidentally over-exposed by a camera glare.

And I can actually imagine James not minding because he'd feel territorial and proud, as in "this is all mine". I can even imagine him approving the dress first.
Agree and I like the word 'territorial' you've used here. James is I think 'paternalistic' in the sense of seeing a woman as a subordinate possession rather than a free individual (at least to a degree.)

He usually refers to Ola as 'Ola', but - if my memory serves - in that convo about Lauren in the pool, he used the possessive "My Wife" quite emphatically.

That convo could quite easily have been about dogs or horses:
My dog is a well behaved good dog. But your dog is naughty and badly behaved!
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:07
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Perhaps James feels the need to portray himself as an alpha male because he feels insecure about being a male dancer and so is overcompensating.

Or maybe he's naturally an aggressive twonk anyway.

I don't like the bloke, but he's very watchable, for all the wrong reasons.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:33
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Agree and I like the word 'territorial' you've used here. James is I think 'paternalistic' in the sense of seeing a woman as a subordinate possession rather than a free individual (at least to a degree.)

He usually refers to Ola as 'Ola', but - if my memory serves - in that convo about Lauren in the pool, he used the possessive "My Wife" quite emphatically.

That convo could quite easily have been about dogs or horses:
My dog is a well behaved good dog. But your dog is naughty and badly behaved!
Yeah you've just nailed why I found that conversation disturbing. There was something controlling and territorial about the way both men described 'their women'. My understanding from people who watch Geordie Shore is that Ricci was controlling with his girlfriend on there. And it was clear from his graceless response to Lauren's rejection after he'd put her under quite some pressure that once she served no romantic or sexual purpose, she was to him nothing but a showmance-seeking pricktease rather than a confused girl who ultimately just preferred to be friends. No wonder him and James liked each other.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:52
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James: A man who tells people they are rude in a really rude and obnoxious way.

Unintentionally ironic at his own expence, and yet does it to make himself look good.

A clueless joke that wore off around day 3 and yet still the public kept him in over Frenchy. Silly public.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:54
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I always enjoy your posts AOTB and this one even more. You summoned up James better than I could.
Brilliantly articulated well said.I have never before wanted to fast forward my tv as much. I just find the man abhorrant!


That is very kind of both of you to say, so thanks!
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