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Old 11-09-2014, 17:07
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People don't change much in 15 years from 14...how come they didn't realise who each other were?
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Old 11-09-2014, 17:18
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Maybe one of them was chubby the other was spotty
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Old 11-09-2014, 17:21
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A school disco themed as a masquerade ball?
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Old 11-09-2014, 17:23
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Dodger's not exactly the brightest spark in the village, it's not inconceivable that he put 2 and 2 together and got incest. Then again you'd think Sienna would have remembered his permanent confused expression.
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Old 11-09-2014, 17:25
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People don't change much in 15 years from 14...how come they didn't realise who each other were?
Because of poor Hollyoaks writing. Dodger could potentially have been fat but would that really make sense that young Sienna would lust for him?
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Old 11-09-2014, 17:28
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They pulled the sl out their arse, and didn't give a shit about the inconsistencies and retconning.
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Old 11-09-2014, 17:31
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It's not completely implausible to me, they were 12/13 when they met briefly (though long enough to sleep together); and when I think back to my 'holiday romances' at that age I couldn't tell you what they looked like then, and probably wouldn't even recognise them now or vice versa (I'm 26).

Only this year I met a friend of my uncle at a funeral who I'd spent a fair bit of time around from about 7-13 years old and he didn't recognise me at all (so even though I don't see myself as that changed others do).
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Old 11-09-2014, 17:37
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It's not completely implausible to me, they were 12/13 when they met briefly (though long enough to sleep together); and when I think back to my 'holiday romances' at that age I couldn't tell you what they looked like then, and probably wouldn't even recognise them now or vice versa (I'm 26).
They slept together though! And it's not as if they haven't been close for the past two years. Plenty of time for the memories to come flooding back.

Both Sienna and Dodger said how beautiful the other one was at the time, so they must have some recollection. I find it particularly implausible that Sienna wouldn't remember what the father of her baby looked like.
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Old 11-09-2014, 17:47
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They slept together though! And it's not as if they haven't been close for the past two years. Plenty of time for the memories to come flooding back.

Both Sienna and Dodger said how beautiful the other one was at the time, so they must have some recollection. I find it particularly implausible that Sienna wouldn't remember what the father of her baby looked like.
They were young though, even now I don't recall details of significant events in my life -emotions and things stay with me but I don't recollect it perfectly. That's true for many people.

I also think that the trauma Sienna experienced at the hands of Patrick after her first sexual experience might impact her memory...Dodger doesn't have that excuse and it was apparently his first time too.
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Old 11-09-2014, 18:16
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Surly there has been photos from when they were teenagers ?
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Old 11-09-2014, 22:55
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I also think that the trauma Sienna experienced at the hands of Patrick after her first sexual experience might impact her memory...Dodger doesn't have that excuse and it was apparently his first time too.
Assuming that she just experienced mental and physical abuse, I would say not. Surely that would be the one ray of hope you cling to?

Even if she had repressed the pregnancy, surely the dad would have come back to her then?
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Old 11-09-2014, 23:04
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They were young though, even now I don't recall details of significant events in my life -emotions and things stay with me but I don't recollect it perfectly. That's true for many people.

I also think that the trauma Sienna experienced at the hands of Patrick after her first sexual experience might impact her memory...Dodger doesn't have that excuse and it was apparently his first time too.
You're right. Patrick has been manipulating this situation since it happened, keeping the lie going on and ever since they first showed up in Hollyoaks he was always manipulating Sienna and telling her how things 'really were' and he did the same to Maxine (and to a lesser seen extent he did it to Anna).

So Sienna has absolutely little recognition of how it really happened, she's been fed a lie everytime she's remembered something. The girl has been manipulated into becoming crazy.

Dodger never saw the girl again and went on about his life. He simply forgot and he's the type of guy who's had 100's of girls, so it's plausible he forgot her and even when he did meet Sienna again she 12 years older - she didn't look like a young teenager.

I totally agree with you btw I can't even remember the faces of some of the people I spent all year with at school and if I saw them now I would probably walk right past them. But that's unlike Dodger and Sienna, who only met for a couple of days.
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Old 11-09-2014, 23:18
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I think Hollyoaks deserves an award for this storyline. The award could be called the most unrealistic storyline ever to be on soap! Lol
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Old 11-09-2014, 23:40
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You're right. Patrick has been manipulating this situation since it happened, keeping the lie going on and ever since they first showed up in Hollyoaks he was always manipulating Sienna and telling her how things 'really were' and he did the same to Maxine (and to a lesser seen extent he did it to Anna).
They only decided on this storyline a couple of months ago! (potentially something in November) Had they planned it, they would have had time to rewrite and cement the Blake backstory in order to accommodate the retcon. I'll accept it as Hollyoaks simply erasing backstory so they can introduce this twincest more easily- although the backstory was farcical. I'd rather that Sienna and Patrick both knew he was her twin from pretty soon after the conception so we didn't have to suffer that explanation or have Sienna talking as if she can't remember how her child was conceived. She's knowingly lied about the child's father so I don't buy her forgetting the event.

I don't think Patrick's pleased about the incest; no wonder he tried to make her forget about the child. Obviously the loss of the child was traumatic but would knowing you've slept with your twin brother and given birth to his kid be preferable?

Oh, he told Anna quite a lot that she was wrong but we had more reason to believe him in that she was mentally ill.
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Old 12-09-2014, 00:11
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She's knowingly lied about the child's father so I don't buy her forgetting the event.
Although in that episode she even said that she slept with a boy she didn't know and didn't see again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBizoo5ehFs
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:04
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The OP is right ppl don't change that much from their teens and at the age of 13/14 you would be able to remember someone you'd slept with! We start forming memories from the age of about 4/5, sometimes younger. I cant believe some are trying to defend this story by saying they only met briefly and that not all teens are able to remember things sorry but they slept together and unless you have a mental health issue you do have a good memory by the time you're 13/14.

Also in the original back story Patrick thought dodger was dead. The story is offensive and a retcon.
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:32
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The OP is right ppl don't change that much from their teens and at the age of 13/14 you would be able to remember someone you'd slept with! We start forming memories from the age of about 4/5, sometimes younger. I cant believe some are trying to defend this story by saying they only met briefly and that not all teens are able to remember things sorry but they slept together and unless you have a mental health issue you do have a good memory by the time you're 13/14.
Attitudes to sex have changed in the past few decades, people engage in casual sex much more frequently, having one night stands with folk they've only know for a few hours (if that!). Some don't remember who they slept with a year later let alone longer.

Good memory is also dependent on each individual, no matter what age you are some people have poor memory recall. Also, plenty don't recall details attached to significant events in their life i.e. my brother in law couldn't tell you for the life of him what he had for breakfast the day his first child was born (or what he wore that day, or even the name of the midwife who helped deliver my nephew let alone what she looked like).
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Old 12-09-2014, 02:02
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Tbf some people forget who they have slept with 14 days ago never mind 14 years ago.
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Old 12-09-2014, 02:53
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There is absolutely no way that Sienna - in all the times she's been on that boat in the last 2 years - hasn't seen a picture of Dodger as a teenager (not that she'd be bothered if it was him).

Also, I know it doesn't always happen but isn't mixing the same DNA meant to cause problems with the child so especially twin DNA. Maybe Patricks lying just to get in her head.
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Old 12-09-2014, 08:10
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Also, I know it doesn't always happen but isn't mixing the same DNA meant to cause problems with the child so especially twin DNA. Maybe Patricks lying just to get in her head.
It only increases the chances from 2% in non related couples to about 9-11%. Also, as they are fraternal twins (two eggs, two sperm) so have different DNA.
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Old 12-09-2014, 11:25
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Although in that episode she even said that she slept with a boy she didn't know and didn't see again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBizoo5ehFs
But she was being vague in order to dismiss it. She implied that it was at a party or something rather than a holiday romance. Also, she knew him to the extent of his name. I don't buy that they never mentioned anything about their lives.
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Old 12-09-2014, 11:32
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Attitudes to sex have changed in the past few decades, people engage in casual sex much more frequently, having one night stands with folk they've only know for a few hours (if that!). Some don't remember who they slept with a year later let alone longer.
Other people have used this excuse but there's no way this extends to a thirteen year old who was supposedly infatuated, wasn't promiscuous, wasn't under the influence of alcohol and gave birth to this person's child. There's no implication that Sienna went out with loads of boys after that and she said that her best friend was her father, so it's not like she has a lot of faces to remember.

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Old 12-09-2014, 12:26
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This SL is all over the place. It's so obvious they decided to make Dodger Nico's dad at the very last minute so they had to come up with some silly backstory of when Sienna and Dodger slept together X amount of years ago and now they don't recognise each other.
It's a load of nonsense.
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:43
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Other people have used this excuse but there's no way this extends to a thirteen year old who was supposedly infatuated, wasn't promiscuous, wasn't under the influence of alcohol and gave birth to this person's child. There's no implication that Sienna went out with loads of boys after that and she said that her best friend was her father, so it's not like she has a lot of faces to remember.

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My impression of the character has always been that Sienna was an isolated socially awkward child/teenager (because of her Dad). So it doesn't seem out of character to me that she'd immediately romanticise the first boy she has a crush on (and sleep with him so quickly), teenagers have a tendency to do so. Also, she didn't know she was going to get pregnant, why would she commit this boy to memory especially since soon after her father locked her up and attached a pretty intense trauma to what she did; I've often noticed that for teens who have sex young (and some older ones) it's the experience they recall more than the person they had sex with, of course that could be linked to emotional immaturity, etc.
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Old 12-09-2014, 17:40
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I can see that the experience would be more memorable than the face but really after two years of knowing each other quite well nothinghas come back to them until Sienna starts her random obsession?

Also, how did Patrick know that they'd done the deed? Wasn't that why he got them fired? How does he know that Sienna didn't sleep with another guy at that time?
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