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Old 12-09-2014, 08:51
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I thought this was a great little scene in last night's episode but I wonder whether the BBC faced any complaints for it? Because God forbid people actually know what happens to the formerly living creatures that are nicely prepared for them to eat.

Anyway, what I found particularly interesting was the reactions of those in the scene. You had Stan in the middle, in his element with his family's eyes all on him. Cora, with a sort of guilty grimace on her face, as though she was enjoying watching it but didn't want to let on. And then you had Mick watching the whole thing, looking as though he felt a bit uneasy but like he wasn't sure why.

Then the three grandsons: Johnny, just totally disgusted by it, and Dean also, but the way he seemed to re-establish his sense of control by grabbing Johnny, physically invading his space and waving the fish in his face, IMO to disguise his sense of unease. And finally Lee. Lee was the particularly interesting one in this scene. He showed absolutely no reaction, just watched with interested but otherwise unemotional eyes, until the point where Dean started messing around at which point he seemed to snap back to his 'cheeky chappy' persona.

I wonder if we get a hint in this scene that blood and violence doesn't really phase Lee in the slightest? Yes, you could put it down to him being in the army and therefore being conditioned to it, but perhaps that lack of response also suggests something darker... like, murderer-type darker?

Just something that occurred to me last night which I thought I'd share.
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:06
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I thought this was a great little scene in last night's episode but I wonder whether the BBC faced any complaints for it? Because God forbid people actually know what happens to the formerly living creatures that are nicely prepared for them to eat.

Anyway, what I found particularly interesting was the reactions of those in the scene. You had Stan in the middle, in his element with his family's eyes all on him. Cora, with a sort of guilty grimace on her face, as though she was enjoying watching it but didn't want to let on. And then you had Mick watching the whole thing, looking as though he felt a bit uneasy but like he wasn't sure why.

Then the three grandsons: Johnny, just totally disgusted by it, and Dean also, but the way he seemed to re-establish his sense of control by grabbing Johnny, physically invading his space and waving the fish in his face, IMO to disguise his sense of unease. And finally Lee. Lee was the particularly interesting one in this scene. He showed absolutely no reaction, just watched with interested but otherwise unemotional eyes, until the point where Dean started messing around at which point he seemed to snap back to his 'cheeky chappy' persona.

I wonder if we get a hint in this scene that blood and violence doesn't really phase Lee in the slightest? Yes, you could put it down to him being in the army and therefore being conditioned to it, but perhaps that lack of response also suggests something darker... like, murderer-type darker?

Just something that occurred to me last night which I thought I'd share.
As I was watching that scene, I was wondering at the same time whether we'd get the usual people complaining to the BBC or wherever it is that they complain to!
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:31
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I chose the wrong time to eat a muffin...
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:37
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I chose the wrong time to eat a muffin...
It could have been worse, you could've been eating a jam doughnut!
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:39
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I thought this was a great little scene in last night's episode but I wonder whether the BBC faced any complaints for it? Because God forbid people actually know what happens to the formerly living creatures that are nicely prepared for them to eat.

Anyway, what I found particularly interesting was the reactions of those in the scene. You had Stan in the middle, in his element with his family's eyes all on him. Cora, with a sort of guilty grimace on her face, as though she was enjoying watching it but didn't want to let on. And then you had Mick watching the whole thing, looking as though he felt a bit uneasy but like he wasn't sure why.

Then the three grandsons: Johnny, just totally disgusted by it, and Dean also, but the way he seemed to re-establish his sense of control by grabbing Johnny, physically invading his space and waving the fish in his face, IMO to disguise his sense of unease. And finally Lee. Lee was the particularly interesting one in this scene. He showed absolutely no reaction, just watched with interested but otherwise unemotional eyes, until the point where Dean started messing around at which point he seemed to snap back to his 'cheeky chappy' persona.

I wonder if we get a hint in this scene that blood and violence doesn't really phase Lee in the slightest? Yes, you could put it down to him being in the army and therefore being conditioned to it, but perhaps that lack of response also suggests something darker... like, murderer-type darker?

Just something that occurred to me last night which I thought I'd share.
It was a great little scene and totally agree about Lee, he seems totally void of all emotion!
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:49
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Lovely thread elly. I didn't pick up on what you did but was thinking about the symbolism of the head of the fish being chopped off and the belly (heart) being ripped out. A sign of foreboding?
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:04
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Didn't Lee say "Urr gross", Or something like that. Which i thought odd, because if he's an army chap with the things they see, a fish being gutted should just be like picking fluff out your belly button.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:07
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Lovely thread elly. I didn't pick up on what you did but was thinking about the symbolism of the head of the fish being chopped off and the belly (heart) being ripped out. A sign of foreboding?
Ooh that's a good point! Usually when soaps use metaphors and foreshadowing it's extremely heavy handed, but I think this scene was unusual enough to actually create a sense of unease without trying too hard. The family is about to have the heart of it ripped out, and I think there may be more to come.

Kind of related, but I can't help worrying about Stan at the moment, I think something may happen to him as well soon.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:08
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Didn't Lee say "Urr gross", Or something like that. Which i thought odd, because if he's an army chap with the things they see, a fish being gutted should just be like picking fluff out your belly button.
I didn't hear him say that but maybe he did. His expression certainly didn't suggest he found it gross, though... he could have just been saying it because he didn't want to appear the odd one out.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:27
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I thought the fish played his/her part well. Much better than some of the characters.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:45
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Great thread Elly and very interesting. You could be right.

In any case that party was the calm before the storm. The fun is about to end- no more singing cheesy pop records. As DTC would say "EastEnders is not a warm bath".
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:54
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Great thread Elly and very interesting. You could be right.

In any case that party was the calm before the storm. The fun is about to end- no more singing cheesy pop records. As DTC would say "EastEnders is not a warm bath".
I agree, definitely the calm before the storm. Even though I enjoyed the whole episode, I had such a heavy heart knowing what's going to happen soon.
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Old 12-09-2014, 11:54
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I thought the fish played his/her part well. Much better than some of the characters.
The fish will join the other EE legends...Lauren's sandwiches, Dot's cold cuts, the snake and the Bubbly in the fridge as the unsung heroes of Eastenders
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Old 12-09-2014, 11:59
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The fish will join the other EE legends...Lauren's sandwiches, Dot's cold cuts, the snake and the Bubbly in the fridge as the unsung heroes of Eastenders
Don't forget the great carrot thief. That was EPIC.
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Old 12-09-2014, 13:10
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Ooh that's a good point! Usually when soaps use metaphors and foreshadowing it's extremely heavy handed, but I think this scene was unusual enough to actually create a sense of unease without trying too hard. The family is about to have the heart of it ripped out, and I think there may be more to come.

Kind of related, but I can't help worrying about Stan at the moment, I think something may happen to him as well soon.
I don't think Stan is long for this world. I think the family really comes to life with him around.
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Old 12-09-2014, 13:22
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I don't think Stan is long for this world. I think the family really comes to life with him around.
The (relative) happiness of summer is over.
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Old 12-09-2014, 13:34
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He should have taught Nancy how to gut the fish.

Sexism! (Yes I know she was sitting at the foot of the stairs with a face like a slapped arse at the time).
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Old 12-09-2014, 13:53
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Gutting fish stinks
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Old 12-09-2014, 13:55
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Soon as I saw it I was expecting people to complain.
I loved the scene and yes Dean, Johnny and especially Lee's reaction was interesting. I thought they got it spot on and in keeping with each of the characters.
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Old 12-09-2014, 14:13
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Lee was the particularly interesting one in this scene. He showed absolutely no reaction, just watched with interested but otherwise unemotional eyes...
I wonder if we get a hint in this scene that blood and violence doesn't really phase Lee in the slightest? Yes, you could put it down to him being in the army and therefore being conditioned to it, but perhaps that lack of response also suggests something darker... like, murderer-type darker?

Just something that occurred to me last night which I thought I'd share.
Well, I'm not a murderer, but I can't say that I'd show much emotion at a fish being gutted...
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Old 12-09-2014, 14:19
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I don't think Stan is long for this world. I think the family really comes to life with him around.
Same. They keep dropping hints about his age. I almost wonder if the events that are set to happen with Dean and Linda may lead to a heart attack of some sort. I'm really worried about him.

Well, I'm not a murderer, but I can't say that I'd show much emotion at a fish being gutted...
I found it pretty gruesome, all those fish guts. Bleurgh. But maybe I'm just a sensitive little flower like Johnny. I just think within the context of that scene that Lee's reaction was interesting, especially when contrasted with Dean and Johnny's.
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Old 12-09-2014, 14:46
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I was too grossed out to see any meaning behind it.
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Old 12-09-2014, 15:21
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I wouldn't read too much into it. I think the person who plays Lee is just a bad actor.
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Old 12-09-2014, 15:42
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Despite whats coming up I don't think it had a hidden meaning it was just a granddad showing his grandkids a skill.
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Old 12-09-2014, 15:45
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This was a good little scene.
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