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Gary's Speech - I Noticed Something
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Bela
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by Scrovegni:
“That's the great thing about supporting the forum favourite, you can just interpret their words and actions in such a way that they always look good and the majority will go along with it. ”

Indeed. I can imagine some words of Gary's coming out of another HM's mouth not meeting with quite the same approval or agreement over intent. It's like everything Gary says is seen as for the benefit of others, and coming from generosity. I'm sure some of it is but what I mostly get from Gary's words is Gary wanting me to see how generous and spiritual and enlightened and forgiving he is.
dialectic
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by Bela:
“Indeed. I can imagine some words of Gary's coming out of another HM's mouth not meeting with quite the same approval or agreement over intent. It's like everything Gary says is seen as for the benefit of others, and coming from generosity. I'm sure some of it is but what I mostly get from Gary's words is Gary wanting me to see how generous and spiritual and enlightened and forgiving he is. ”

Have you read this thread? The point is that many don't have agreement over the intent of Gary's words. I agree with the OP that Gary is getting a slight dig in with his compliments to them all, bar Audley, but I see that this is exactly the way he has handled them from day one. There are others who see a heartfelt speech from a kindly, forgiving, old man who was treated so badly. It isn't really a case here, for many, that Gary can do no wrong. Whatever he may be doing 'wrong' in anyones eyes is defending his corner, playing the game and fighting the 'rudeness' of the house with a bit of 'rudeness' of his own, while providing us with a bit of entertainment. Hardly anything worth condemning him for.

I can't imagine his words coming from the others' mouths, possibly because they are unique to him, whether he is using words to bamboozle them in there ,or not. As for what did come from the others mouths, they oozed insincerity in the substance and form of their speeches and, taking in to account that the majority of them left consider each other 'friends', that's saying a lot.
DavetheSensible
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by dialectic:
“Have you read this thread? The point is that many don't have agreement over the intent of Gary's words.
<snipped for brevity>
As for what did come from the others mouths, they oozed insincerity in the substance and form of their speeches and, taking in to account that the majority of them left consider each other 'friends', that's saying a lot.”

Neatly put
Bela
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by dialectic:
“Have you read this thread? The point is that many don't have agreement over the intent of Gary's words. I agree with the OP that Gary is getting a slight dig in with his compliments to them all, bar Audley, but I see that this is exactly the way he has handled them from day one. There are others who see a heartfelt speech from a kindly, forgiving, old man who was treated so badly. It isn't really a case here, for many, that Gary can do no wrong. Whatever he may be doing 'wrong' in anyones eyes is defending his corner, playing the game and fighting the 'rudeness' of the house with a bit of 'rudeness' of his own, while providing us with a bit of entertainment. Hardly anything worth condemning him for.”

I'm not condemning Gary at all. I'm perfectly fine with whatever meaning is in Gary's words - if he's having a dig or 10 along the way at the other HMs, good for him, he's totally entitled to that, and they're totally deserving of that; if, on the other hand, it's all straight from the heart and well-meaning, then fine too. It doesn't matter either way.

My response was a general one to the way Gary's words are often received on here, as if they have some special value over the words of any of the other HMs. I don't understand it. I find a lot of what he says trite and obvious and very self-serving. That's all.
HBB
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“I quoted word for word.”

You did, but what you think it means is not clear

Why is this to be admired
johnan
12-09-2014
The sillier he sounds the more praise he gets, some sort of inverted adoration here methinks.
Odd, very odd.
dialectic
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by Bela:
“I'm not condemning Gary at all. I'm perfectly fine with whatever meaning is in Gary's words - if he's having a dig or 10 along the way at the other HMs, good for him, he's totally entitled to that, and they're totally deserving of that; if, on the other hand, it's all straight from the heart and well-meaning, then fine too. It doesn't matter either way.

My response was a general one to the way Gary's words are often received on here, as if they have some special value over the words of any of the other HMs. I don't understand it. I find a lot of what he says trite and obvious and very self-serving. That's all. ”

I agree there is something self-serving, masked in trite, in order to get his message across. That's why I liked his speech, as opposed to the others. The faces of the others said it all.
BBoldie2013
12-09-2014
I just listened to this and all I heard were the demented ramblings of an up himself american who's been to far too many therapy sessions. I couldn't even watch it to the end it was so cringeworthy.
roseblue1
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“Good grief. People admire him for that?”


Yes they do.......what are you admired for.
roseblue1
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by BBoldie2013:
“I just listened to this and all I heard were the demented ramblings of an up himself american who's been to far too many therapy sessions. I couldn't even watch it to the end it was so cringeworthy.”

Who do you support ...James....George.....
yogacats
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by HBB:
“You did, but what you think it means is not clear

Why is this to be admired”

You tell me?
yogacats
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“Yes they do.......what are you admired for.”

KUDOS!
BBoldie2013
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“Who do you support ...James....George.....”

For once I'm actually very happy with all the finalists and wouldn't mind which one won (including Gary). They have all entertained me this series.

But if I was a housemate I would definitely have found Gary the hardest to live with.
jp761
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by BBoldie2013:
“For once I'm actually very happy with all the finalists and wouldn't mind which one won (including Gary). They have all entertained me this series.

But if I was a housemate I would definitely have found Gary the hardest to live with.”

See personally i find this strange. Dee and James look an absolute nightmare to live with. Gary just gets on with his time in the house that's it mostly. He hasn't been malicious like those other two.
dialectic
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by DavetheSensible:
“Neat ”

Ta
MACTOWIN
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by jp761:
“See personally i find this strange. Dee and James look an absolute nightmare to live with. Gary just gets on with his time in the house that's it mostly. He hasn't been malicious like those other two.”

Which is the opposite from almost every evicted h/m has said. How strange.
Conehead
12-09-2014
Sly
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Ensnare
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SPEECH!
ultros
12-09-2014
Yes OP, Gary's comments are very perceptive if you listen to what he's saying.

I also think his hit song scavenger boy was about the way George has been desperately trying to hook up/use/scavenger the women for a storyline.

'Don't get scavenged by that boy tonight'
'Don't get scavenged by that boy tonight'
'Don't get scavenged by that boy tonight'

ultros
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“Which is the opposite from almost every evicted h/m has said. How strange.”

Not really... you tell fibs.
Only James's gang have said it (David, Stephanie, Ricci). Everyone else have said James is far worse than Gary (Frenchy, Kellie, Lauren).
neversaydie
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“Why would you hope his speech was uncomplimentary? Wouldn't that mean he is no better than all the other supposed nasty housemates?

I thought his speech was rather nice and light hearted. I didn't consider him to be indulging in underhand snipes until I read this thread...”

You are a James Fan, So your comment is very fair, respect.
Allex
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Right ..... Maybe this was deliberate, maybe it wasn't, but I'm hoping it was!

Gary's speech was very 'complimentary' .... or was it? In between all the loving gushing Gary said, and I quote;

To Dee; You're very well known in your brain about knowing what you know"

To James; "Don't say anything to him, (James) about him"

To Edele; "All that dancing with George and James, it's just wonderful, it's like a circus"

To George; "How you work around things and move through things like nothing ever existed that's gonna block you." & "What I've seen you do around here - I think 'What you doin it for? What you doin it for is cos you love doin it"

Oh Gary! You really are the tops!!!!!! This series would have been a very dim place without you. HONK HONK HONK!!!”

Maaasive HONK!!!!
Scrovegni
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by dialectic:
“Have you read this thread? The point is that many don't have agreement over the intent of Gary's words. I agree with the OP that Gary is getting a slight dig in with his compliments to them all, bar Audley, but I see that this is exactly the way he has handled them from day one. There are others who see a heartfelt speech from a kindly, forgiving, old man who was treated so badly. It isn't really a case here, for many, that Gary can do no wrong. Whatever he may be doing 'wrong' in anyones eyes is defending his corner, playing the game and fighting the 'rudeness' of the house with a bit of 'rudeness' of his own, while providing us with a bit of entertainment. Hardly anything worth condemning him for.

I can't imagine his words coming from the others' mouths, possibly because they are unique to him, whether he is using words to bamboozle them in there ,or not. As for what did come from the others mouths, they oozed insincerity in the substance and form of their speeches and, taking in to account that the majority of them left consider each other 'friends', that's saying a lot.”

So it's either 'a heartfelt speech from a kindly, forgiving, old man who was treated so badly' or 'he is defending his corner, playing the game and fighting the 'rudeness' of the house with a bit of 'rudeness' of his own, while providing us with a bit of entertainment'.

Win\win for Gary yet again.
dialectic
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by Scrovegni:
“So it's either 'a heartfelt speech from a kindly, forgiving, old man who was treated so badly' or 'he is defending his corner, playing the game and fighting the 'rudeness' of the house with a bit of 'rudeness' of his own, while providing us with a bit of entertainment'.

Win\win for Gary yet again.”

No, I believe he is doing the latter, though some prefer to claim the former. If you read the post I was replying to, you would make out that I was explaining that many who like Gary are not on the same page, as that poster may have implied.
Janet_Hadfield
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by Jennyloo:
“I admire him for towelling himself down after coming out of teh shower with a big grin on his face whilst Audley and James were having a serious conversation. And Guess What that was BEFORE James accused him of not having a shower.”


No it wasn't it was the shower that James asked him to take, James and Audley helped him to the shower room and then had that discussion.
jp761
12-09-2014
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“Which is the opposite from almost every evicted h/m has said. How strange.”

Not strange. 'pack mentality' Bandwagons. Kellie , Frenchy Lauren and Audley all say different too. Audley the most balanced , mature , and individual person there gets on well with Gary , tells it's own story.
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