Yes maybe we need a longer show, lose bbots .
The live feed is ok if you have time to watch it but I don't like the way the sound dips.

Perhaps you don't have the sense of humour that others do in finding the house villain winning a popularity contest.

She's a super-duper bully that's for certain.

Yep betting definitely involved in Helen's win.

Very long odds all the way through until a couple of days to the final.


I'll be surprised if bookies carry on offering BB as a betting option for much longer with all the manipulation that's gone on recently.

It seems that many people seem to like bulliesss. Not me though.

Is the wrap party for both bb and cbb on Monday.if so as Helen and her gang are returning to UK tomorrow there will be a few photo opportunities for all .
I hope Mark's eyebrows are ok.

This was said at the time of Helen winning and I do think it could be the case myself, no other reason, why else would she have won when she is so disliked and Ashleigh won every vote in the house from viewers.

Channel 5 have now revealed that they had voting breakdowns at various points before the result was announced (Ashleigh topped the voting earlier in the Final evening).

If that information was available to them it could easily be leaked. More recently Frenchy's eviction odds crashed before she was evicted so that suggests that someone in the know was leaking information to punters.

BB seem to have a mole and it's not Mario.

Yes, I believe betting syndicates played a major part in Helen's win.

She was 60/1 for most of the series, and still 33/1 in the week leading to the final week.
Those were ridiculous odds for someone with a pass to the final.
She was still 25/1 when "Finalist" appeared under her name on the board.
Her odds then started to tumble, and were down to 3/1 on final day.

For odds to tumble in such a manner means that lots of (large) bets were placed on Helen to win.

People who placed bets on her when she was between 60/1 and 25/1 would've made a killing.

Place £1k at 33/1, spend 2k voting over different methods (payphone, landline, mobile, app), get £34k back.
A few syndicates with 10-50 members each doing this, and you soon have your 4k votes difference that got Helen the win.

Ashleigh's voters were conned into believing she was going to win easily (odds were virtually at evens, topping all the polls comfortably, etc) so maybe they didn't feel the need to vote as passionately.

Sure, I'm not saying that Helen didn't have any genuine support as well, but I believe those ridiculous odds were always going to attract gamblers, and that they made all the difference.


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Re: CLL Dodge's post above

Yup, I agree. I also think there could be insider collusion involved here.



I disagree. It's BB/Endemols's fault for misleading the viewers with their editing.

Well that seems to be the convenient answer to excuse all the HMs behavior , except Helen's.

Makes you wonder if that's why they "couldn't" take away Helen's pass to the final

Too many big bets on her already.

As they had no qualms revoking Ashleigh's immunity.

I'm only going on what Ashleigh said in the BB Couch Potatoes interview regarding the "Pav staring" situation and how they edited out the references from her and others to make it look like only Chris was thinking it.

They even edited out all of Biannca, Danielle & Matthew's refs to it in the Power Alliance messages (the vids on the website showed them saying Pav is infatuated with Ashleigh, Pav is always looking at Ashleigh, etc etc, but it was all edited out of the HLs version).

They actually showed Helen being nasty & aggressive....

Helen won because she went on a spiritual journey and changed into a beautiful loving and caring person who will go onto to become a dedicated philanthropist and vjwvlksdnfeo lkalqefnl.... sorry, just vomited on the keyboard just kidding gets your pointers off of the alert button.

BIB Of course they did, that was their narrative for her.

My point was that if Ashleigh was annoyed that Pav was 'staring' at her, so much that she moaned about it in this interview and was happy that Chris had that 'talk' with Pav, she is responsible for the issue about the stares (and yes the edit may not have shown this) but it also proves what a ridiculous little stirrer she is….after-all who is that precious about someone looking at them.

She used the info from the ex-HMs as ammunition and used Chris to fire the bullets. And she was oh so chirpy about this in that interview. Chris probably wouldn't have got involved if she wasn't upset by 'stares'. The fact that the edit didn't show her annoyance proves she was protected by the edit.
Chris fans should be well annoyed. with the edit and with her -now they know what she's really like.

I think she charmed an incredible amount of people.

Using your logic Ashleigh winning because she wasn't Helen would make more sense because Ashleigh annoyed fewer viewers.

I quite accept the betting theory, it's a little effort for a reasonable return. That and the fact that we're living in 'Broken Britain' where many are not repulsed by her behaviour.

after all the stuff about "fixing" why do people not add up what each bit means?
the voting system is designed to stop "suspicious" votes that would be needed for a gambling fix...

When it came down to the final there were only 2 likely winners, neither of them particularly likeable. One wasn't worth backing, the other was.

Ask yourself if any "betting syndicate" was calling the shots on Helen being given an unprecedented pass to the final? Being as nasty as she pleased without being kicked? Turning on croc tears near the finale and apologizing to Ashleigh in a stomach churning OTT display? This wasn't just some spur of the moment opportunity grabbed by some syndicate. Her win was controlled from start to finish by her pimp Desmond. People can go on believing books accept 1k bets willy-nilly on such low liquidity markets... but anyone who does believe that obviously doesn't know books/betting very well.

Yes a very good point about Ashleigh 's immunity. and that's the crux of the whole thing , why was the pass not revoked after the third shown warning (not to mention the unseen warnings)

Were too many bets put on Helen already but that means the bb production team were in on the scam.

This is the August 7th episode that Ofcom is investigating.

Surely bb have to explain why the pass wasn't taken away.
No other housemate has ever been allowed to continue after such threatening and in your face agressive behaviour.

Something does occur to me, I remember Emma saying at sometime during the 10 weeks you could only vote via the iphone app ( no android or windows phone app) because something was wrong with telephone voting.
That kinda limits things.

If they used the methods I referred to in my post above, then those votes won't register as suspicious.

Good heavens, do you believe she is charming?

I think she is very charming yellowlabbie.

The vote split as well

Bit late seeing this one, but