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Old 14-09-2014, 13:51
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I think EastEnders are going to build Ronnie up with being really happy now with her baby - which has saved her from a deeply dark streak that she was beginning to spiral down.

However, I think once Ronnie is all settled & truly happy with her child. Once she has overcome the anxiety that she will probably face, of something happening to her child, and restfully makes peace with her past - for their future...

Karl's Mother & brother with exact revenge on Ronnie and kill her child, as punishment for Ronnie killing Karl. Which would be something so catastrophic, it would only send Ronnie into the deep-end of her path to darkness, rapidly consuming her. Leaving Ronnie with a void only to be filled by rage. Broken mentally, emotionally and physically. without hope.

It could be the seeds that DTC has sown as soon as he took over as EP. I think he is playing the long game with Ronnie. Avoiding the villain that was foretold by finally achieving her happiness. Let it play out and get us really involved and at peace, like Ronnie. Then BOOM. Strip it away from her with very dark tragedy! Then take Ronnie to that very dark place that was promised for her.
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:00
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I agree it would be a very dark path to take but I just can't stomach another Ronnie's loosing another child, going bat shit crazy, I just think it's been done to death, she been punished enough surely?

We don't know how long Ronnie will be around for her stint so far has been short, she been away more then she been on screen so it's stop any plots progressing further.

I'm more interested in seeing her and Charlie, a far better pairing, I hope they haven't forgot the Carl plot but I really don't want her loosing another kid via death, tbh she shouldn't of been made preggers in the first place imo but it done and dusted.
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:15
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They will never kill a child. Ronnie will be killed if anything.
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:19
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Ronnie losing another child would be like this:
http://youtu.be/tbd4t-ua-WQ
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:25
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I agree it would be a very dark path to take but I just can't stomach another Ronnie's loosing another child, going bat shit crazy, I just think it's been done to death, she been punished enough surely?

We don't know how long Ronnie will be around for her stint so far has been short, she been away more then she been on screen so it's stop any plots progressing further.

I'm more interested in seeing her and Charlie, a far better pairing, I hope they haven't forgot the Carl plot but I really don't want her loosing another kid via death, tbh she shouldn't of been made preggers in the first place imo but it done and dusted.
I know it would be a lot to go through, as Ronnie has lost all her children before and we have followed her as she grieved. But I think this happening again, triggered as a result of Ronnie killing Karl, would be excellent tragedy. I also think that if we are allowed to believe that Ronnie is happy and see her finally able to bond a mother and child relationship, It would also make us empathetically devastated for her again, only now even more so than we have felt before. I also think it would undergo the next part of Ronnie's character journey - finally breaking, beyond reason. Changing Ronnie as we know her. Sending her immediately further to become the dark person that we have seen her saved from with her baby, which was her last chance to be normal and happy. A piece of her torn away for the last time, leaving a true new villain to explore.

To me it would seem like the natural next step in developing Ronnie's character and elevating her to a new status. One uncharted before.
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:33
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Becoming a mother doesn't make you a good person. Ronnie is supposed to be a baddie as DTC has told us. I don't want her to lose a baby. She could be a baddie with a child.
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:37
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I can't see them writing a child murder story line. Maybe Ronnie could have a breakdown and the child go to live with Charlie and Dot. (Charlie Cotton's the father, right?)

But then again there are nasty, evil, criminal people out there who have families, so why not Ronnie?
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:42
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I can't see them writing a child murder story line. Maybe Ronnie could have a breakdown and the child go to live with Charlie and Dot. (Charlie Cotton's the father, right?)

But then again there are nasty, evil, criminal people out there who have families, so why not Ronnie?
I hope it isn't off limits. DTC said they are giving EastEnders their balls back. That is a story pretty brave and ballsy.

Broadchurch did it well, and DTC is admirable of that story. I think limits should definitely be pushed and tested.
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:46
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I hope it isn't off limits. DTC said they are giving EastEnders their balls back. That is a story pretty brave and ballsy.

Broadchurch did it well, and DTC is admirable of that story. I think limits should definitely be pushed and tested.
I was thinking more about programme timing. Wasn't Broadchurch an after the watershed show? (I didn't see it on TV, apologies if I've got that wrong) I'm not sure EE would be willing to go that far, pre-watershed.
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:53
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I was thinking more about programme timing. Wasn't Broadchurch an after the watershed show? (I didn't see it on TV, apologies if I've got that wrong) I'm not sure EE would be willing to go that far, pre-watershed.
Yeah I think you're right that Broadchurch was after the watershed.

EastEnders could have a particular (maybe even hour long) episode which involves the incident of when Ronnie's child is killed, if it was going to be a problem. And they wouldn't even have to show the murder of course.
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:53
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Becoming a mother doesn't make you a good person. Ronnie is supposed to be a baddie as DTC has told us. I don't want her to lose a baby. She could be a baddie with a child.
DTC said he was interested in seeing Ronnie become Archie. His quotes on the subject were:

"Ronnie will have a big story. The question with Ronnie is “Is she her father’s daughter?” And I think with Ronnie we are going to see how somebody becomes a villain. I keep talking about Darth Vader. The making of a villain. Not a soap bitch, but a villain.''

The only story Ronnie had was killing Carl. Sam then left and has only made a handful of appearances since. The question ''is Ronnie her father's daughter'' could have already been answered and covered. When Ronnie found out she was pregnant she realised her life was out of control and left to 'fix' things. The villain story could now well be over for that reason.

So unless we see Ronnie being bad on her return I think we can assume the storyline has been dropped for whatever reason and Ronnie will be pushed into the direction of Charlie and Dot. Giving her family away from the Mitchell's and perhaps more stability. Guess we will find out very soon what the character direction will be as Sam will be interviewed in the soap mags for her return.
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:04
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I know it would be a lot to go through, as Ronnie has lost all her children before and we have followed her as she grieved. But I think this happening again, triggered as a result of Ronnie killing Karl, would be excellent tragedy. I also think that if we are allowed to believe that Ronnie is happy and see her finally able to bond a mother and child relationship, It would also make us empathetically devastated for her again, only now even more so than we have felt before. I also think it would undergo the next part of Ronnie's character journey - finally breaking, beyond reason. Changing Ronnie as we know her. Sending her immediately further to become the dark person that we have seen her saved from with her baby, which was her last chance to be normal and happy. A piece of her torn away for the last time, leaving a true new villain to explore.

To me it would seem like the natural next step in developing Ronnie's character and elevating her to a new status. One uncharted before.
I can't see how people can be empathetic for her a third time for loosing a child, she been there done it, for her to what get pregnant again and be in the same predicament, it's too repetive and too predictable imo.

she been broken, how further can they realistically take her she already reach a high level of a dark place by murdering someone, reaching that place by her children's death, her father's murder, break up of her marriage and her abuse at Archie's hands, the only way I can see her really loosing it is her child being taken away from her if she found a unfit mother, not by death.
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:11
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DTC said he was interested in seeing Ronnie become Archie. His quotes on the subject were:

"Ronnie will have a big story. The question with Ronnie is “Is she her father’s daughter?” And I think with Ronnie we are going to see how somebody becomes a villain. I keep talking about Darth Vader. The making of a villain. Not a soap bitch, but a villain.''

The only story Ronnie had was killing Carl. Sam then left and has only made a handful of appearances since. So unless we see Ronnie being bad on her return I think we can assume the storyline has been dropped for whatever reason and Ronnie will be pushed into the direction of Charlie and Dot. Giving her family away from the Mitchell's and perhaps more stability. Guess we will find out very soon what the character direction will be as Sam will be interviewed in the soap mags for her return.
Maybe DTC means that Archie's darkness is in Ronnie too, which we have seen a glimpse of when she killed Karl. However, the twist could be that Ronnie is in fact much darker than Archie. Also I'd like to point out Darth Vader lost the love of his life (and the child she was carrying, so he thought), resulting in him truly losing himself to the dark side.

I like what you say of Ronnie living with her baby and settling (more or less) with the Cotton's. I just would be more interested to see them be really bold to take Ronnie even further with tragedy. To me it is what she is renowned for.
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:16
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I can't see how people can be empathetic for her a third time for loosing a child, she been there done it, for her to what get pregnant again and be in the same predicament, it's too repetive and too predictable imo.

she been broken, how further can they realistically take her she already reach a high level of a dark place by murdering someone, reaching that place by her children's death, her father's murder, break up of her marriage and her abuse at Archie's hands, the only way I can see her really loosing it is her child being taken away from her if she found a unfit mother, not by death.
That would be really interesting actually. Good call.
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:16
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Ronnie baddie as a mother interests me more than tragic or dropping it Ronnie. I enjoyed baddie Ronnie. Villain Ronnie is a better route in my view.
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:22
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Ronnie baddie as a mother interests me more than tragic or dropping it Ronnie. I enjoyed baddie Ronnie. Villain Ronnie is a better route in my view.
I agree. villainous Ronnie as opposed to tragironnie is infinitely far more compelling
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:23
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I agree. villainous Ronnie as opposed to tragironnie is infinitely far more compelling
Watch out Nick Cotton
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:25
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Watch out Nick Cotton
I had never though about that scenario but yeah it sounds fantastic! Ronnie v nick.
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:30
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Watch out Nick Cotton
Panto Nick v Darth Vader. I would love it.

Being a mother doesn't redeem or make you a better person it means you have successfully been able to breed. Karen Matthews anyone?
She has hardly been a good person not even letting Charlie knowing or sharing in the experience.
Ronnie has always been someone cold with no friends (her hen do with only her sister there!). Rack was crap.

I would love to see dark Ronnie take on Nick Cotton who might be a baddie but is very panto. And of course Dot's first great grandchild. And will she give up on her Freudian hold on Roxy? And is she still wearing Archie's ring?
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:37
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Panto Nick v Darth Vader. I would love it.

Being a mother doesn't redeem or make you a better person it means you have successfully been able to breed. Karen Matthews anyone?
She has hardly been a good person not even letting Charlie knowing or sharing in the experience.
Ronnie has always been someone cold with no friends (her hen do with only her sister there!). Rack was crap.

I would love to see dark Ronnie take on Nick Cotton who might be a baddie but is very panto. And of course Dot's first great grandchild. And will she give up on her Freudian hold on Roxy? And is she still wearing Archie's ring?
Ronnie having Charlie's baby could be a huge game changer for the Cottons. Dot would probably wrestle with her emotions, she knows Ronnie's tragic past but she'll love the idea of being a great grandma. I can actually see Yvonne being quite jealous of the baby and Ronnie, she is a very possessive woman when it comes to her son. Ad for Nick, he will try and find someway of prospering from it.

And I think Ronnie will do anything to protect this child, having Nick around will probably jeopardise that happiness and I think Ronnie would resort to anything to get rid of him.
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:41
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Panto Nick v Darth Vader. I would love it.

Being a mother doesn't redeem or make you a better person it means you have successfully been able to breed. Karen Matthews anyone?
She has hardly been a good person not even letting Charlie knowing or sharing in the experience.
Ronnie has always been someone cold with no friends (her hen do with only her sister there!). Rack was crap.

I would love to see dark Ronnie take on Nick Cotton who might be a baddie but is very panto. And of course Dot's first great grandchild. And will she give up on her Freudian hold on Roxy? And is she still wearing Archie's ring?
I agree, I think perhaps she more obsessed about getting it right, then actually being a mother, although she seems significantly more competent then Roxy, she may think being a mother will make her a better person and sort of 'clean her of the badness but ultimately it will probably make her even worse.

Charlie from the trailer didn't look that interested when told but this could change as we still don't know what his true intention is, plus his mother from what I've read is suppose to be a religious type, there is more benefit in keeping the child alive then dead.

Can we say Janine becoming a mother changed her, not much except she had someone she loved more then herself but a darker Ronnie would be a better direction to go then Mother Ronnie.
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:42
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I think it's telling that the only children of Ronnie's that do well are ones that aren't hers biologically - just take a look at Tommy, a smashing little bloke who puts up with so much from the disgusting Alfie and Kat, all because of Ron's unwavering and thorough approach to parenting. If she paid half as much attention to her own kids as she did to Tom she'd do well.
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