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EastEnders - sexism?
This year we've seen woman fall as victims, and men fall as suspects for Lucy's murder. Why is DTC so keen to fit the characters in to specific roles based on their gender?
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Except it's not based on their gender is it?
Unless he's put them there because they're women and not because they're great actors/characters in need of good stories then what you're saying is rubbish. In the context of their stories they aren't targeted because they're women either. Except for the rape story of course, which fits. |
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I thought there was some sexism with the guys all playing poker.
How come they never show a group of all girls getting together, gambling and playing poker. It suggests that only men play card games and that sort of thinking is really old fashioned and out dated. Same with the old ones, having them all play dominoes together despite their gender. |
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I thought there was some sexism with the guys all playing poker.
How come they never show a group of all girls getting together, gambling and playing poker. It suggests that only men play card games and that sort of thinking is really old fashioned and out dated. Same with the old ones, having them all play dominoes together despite their gender. I feel like instead of raising awareness for men raping women, their next rape story would swap the genders around. This will put the audience into perspective - women rape too. |
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Yes women rape too. But that doesn't make a "man rapes woman" story sexist.
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I agree totally.
I feel like instead of raising awareness for men raping women, their next rape story would swap the genders around. This will put the audience into perspective - women rape too. |
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Far too much focus on this I think. We see male characters beaten down and victimised all the time!
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Far too much focus on this I think. We see male characters beaten down and victimised all the time!
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By women as well: Archie by Stacey; Den by Chrissie; Carl by Ronnie...
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bad examples as all those men were awful to women as well. max although adulterous wasn't a bad guy abd didn't deserve Tanya trying to kill and Alfie buy and large didn't deserve to be cheated on by kat
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I was going for the idea that it's not always female victims and male perpetrators and even if men are misogynists, they get their comeuppance at the hands of women, therefore refuting the original question being asked in the thread (is EastEnders sexist?).
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Far too much focus on this I think. We see male characters beaten down and victimised all the time!
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Far too much focus on this I think. We see male characters beaten down and victimised all the time!
In terms of female-centric victimisation stories we've had or are going to have soon this year, just off the top of my head: Lucy's murder Carol's cancer Sharon's attack at the Albert (and whatever is going to happen to her at the wedding - and no, I don't count her plotting against Phil as him being a victim, as he found out before she actually did anything to hurt him financially or otherwise) The Tosh/Tina DV storyline (although I'm not sure if this has possibly been scrapped) Linda's rape Kat's horrific scarring Denise finding out about Ian's infidelity Lola being callously dumped by Peter Dean blatantly using Lauren Whitney's alluding to Lucy bullying her I can't really think of any comparable male victimisation storylines apart from Patrick's stroke. Lee had potential with what initially looked like PTSD but that's seemingly been completely dropped now. Alfie's debt storyline is self-inflicted, not caused by anybody but himself. I suppose you could argue that Mick has been victimised by Ian over the kerb-crawling drama, but the main person to suffer from that was Linda. And obviously Ian and Peter have been massively affected by Lucy's murder, but the central point of the plot is still the murder of a young woman. I think DTC has absolute faith and investment in his female characters but the male characters rarely get the opportunity to play the victim in a scenario, and if they do (like in the case of Ian) they become so unlikeable and do such despicable things that it's hard to feel sorry for them. I don't mind seeing female characters victimised, particularly if they come out stronger on the other side, but I do think we need to see some balance being restored. |
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I thought there was some sexism with the guys all playing poker.
How come they never show a group of all girls getting together, gambling and playing poker. It suggests that only men play card games and that sort of thinking is really old fashioned and out dated. Same with the old ones, having them all play dominoes together despite their gender. Is this sexism? Of course not. Imo it's generally considered a thing that blokes do......and women don't. I'm all for equality, but it doesn't mean to say that women have to do exactly as men do and vice versa. Sometimes it's nice to be a bit different!
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I thought there was some sexism with the guys all playing poker.
How come they never show a group of all girls getting together, gambling and playing poker. It suggests that only men play card games and that sort of thinking is really old fashioned and out dated. Same with the old ones, having them all play dominoes together despite their gender. |
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I don't think we do. Which male characters have we seen victimised this year? Certainly not many, and not in the same way the female characters have been.
In terms of female-centric victimisation stories we've had or are going to have soon this year, just off the top of my head: Lucy's murder Carol's cancer Sharon's attack at the Albert (and whatever is going to happen to her at the wedding - and no, I don't count her plotting against Phil as him being a victim, as he found out before she actually did anything to hurt him financially or otherwise) The Tosh/Tina DV storyline (although I'm not sure if this has possibly been scrapped) Linda's rape Kat's horrific scarring Denise finding out about Ian's infidelity Lola being callously dumped by Peter Dean blatantly using Lauren Whitney's alluding to Lucy bullying her I can't really think of any comparable male victimisation storylines apart from Patrick's stroke. Lee had potential with what initially looked like PTSD but that's seemingly been completely dropped now. Alfie's debt storyline is self-inflicted, not caused by anybody but himself. I suppose you could argue that Mick has been victimised by Ian over the kerb-crawling drama, but the main person to suffer from that was Linda. And obviously Ian and Peter have been massively affected by Lucy's murder, but the central point of the plot is still the murder of a young woman. I think DTC has absolute faith and investment in his female characters but the male characters rarely get the opportunity to play the victim in a scenario, and if they do (like in the case of Ian) they become so unlikeable and do such despicable things that it's hard to feel sorry for them. I don't mind seeing female characters victimised, particularly if they come out stronger on the other side, but I do think we need to see some balance being restored. |
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I'm not seeing the sexism
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Shirley got phil drunk to have sex with him years ago. imagine the outrage if the situation was reversed
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I think DTC has absolute faith and investment in his female characters but the male characters rarely get the opportunity to play the victim in a scenario, and if they do (like in the case of Ian) they become so unlikeable and do such despicable things that it's hard to feel sorry for them. I don't mind seeing female characters victimised, particularly if they come out stronger on the other side, but I do think we need to see some balance being restored. I do think Eastenders recently has become a lot about women suffering harm from men or being treated like dirt by them. There aren't really many strong male characters in the show who are also decent people. If they are decent they are quite weak and make really stupid decisions. Mick is perhaps one but even he is so saintly he hurt his wife. I guess you could argue for the male Masoods..... All the female characters will come out stronger at the end of their respective storylines, it seems set up to be that way, and they should, but it seems tipping slightly towards being anti-men imo. |
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Shirley got phil drunk to have sex with him years ago. imagine the outrage if the situation was reversed
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I say this a few times but i don't get why they've gone the way they have with Deano, who appears to have been abused in prison, they've chosen to make him an abuser rather than explore him as a victim.
I do think Eastenders recently has become a lot about women suffering harm from men or being treated like dirt by them. There aren't really many strong male characters in the show who are also decent people. If they are decent they are quite weak and make really stupid decisions. Mick is perhaps one but even he is so saintly he hurt his wife. I guess you could argue for the male Masoods..... All the female characters will come out stronger at the end of their respective storylines, it seems set up to be that way, and they should, but it seems tipping slightly towards being anti-men imo. And yes, you're right about the lack of strong male characters on the show. I like Mick a lot but he's made some disappointing decisions. Masood is likeable enough but he has a dark side. Patrick is probably the only one that springs to mind that is genuinely a good, moral guy who isn't a complete pushover. The show really needs more David Wicks types, it's such a shame he's left. |
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I don't think we do. Which male characters have we seen victimised this year? Certainly not many, and not in the same way the female characters have been.
In terms of female-centric victimisation stories we've had or are going to have soon this year, just off the top of my head: Lucy's murder Carol's cancer Sharon's attack at the Albert (and whatever is going to happen to her at the wedding - and no, I don't count her plotting against Phil as him being a victim, as he found out before she actually did anything to hurt him financially or otherwise) The Tosh/Tina DV storyline (although I'm not sure if this has possibly been scrapped) Linda's rape Kat's horrific scarring Denise finding out about Ian's infidelity Lola being callously dumped by Peter Dean blatantly using Lauren Whitney's alluding to Lucy bullying her I can't really think of any comparable male victimisation storylines apart from Patrick's stroke. Lee had potential with what initially looked like PTSD but that's seemingly been completely dropped now. Alfie's debt storyline is self-inflicted, not caused by anybody but himself. I suppose you could argue that Mick has been victimised by Ian over the kerb-crawling drama, but the main person to suffer from that was Linda. And obviously Ian and Peter have been massively affected by Lucy's murder, but the central point of the plot is still the murder of a young woman. I think DTC has absolute faith and investment in his female characters but the male characters rarely get the opportunity to play the victim in a scenario, and if they do (like in the case of Ian) they become so unlikeable and do such despicable things that it's hard to feel sorry for them. I don't mind seeing female characters victimised, particularly if they come out stronger on the other side, but I do think we need to see some balance being restored. Once again you've hit the nail on the head.
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