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Old 16-09-2014, 22:33
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As suspected Apple will limit the use of NFC to Apple Pay only. So file transfers, weblinks on NFC tags, sharing contacts etc wont work on the iPhone 6 or 6 Plus. No public API will be available for developers to use the tech for their own apps. So its typical Apple lockdown.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09...ss_restricted/
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Old 16-09-2014, 22:40
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If this is fact it really is embarrassing that people put up with this nonsense time and time again. Still i suppose to be expected punters can't be trusted with bluetooth why should they be trusted with NFC.

I guess we a re back to it being pointless anyway
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Old 16-09-2014, 22:54
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The only sensible thing to do with an iPhone is to jailbreak it due to its many daft restrictions. It will take time to do this with NFC if its even possible at all?!
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Old 16-09-2014, 23:29
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The only sensible thing to do with an iPhone is to jailbreak it due to its many daft restrictions. It will take time to do this with NFC if its even possible at all?!
Or maybe the only sensible thing is not to buy an iPhone in the first place
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Old 16-09-2014, 23:51
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iphone purchases and sense oxymoron
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Old 17-09-2014, 09:45
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It's possible that, like the touch ID sensor, this will be opened up in the future
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Old 17-09-2014, 10:53
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Anyone who did not see this coming has been living under a rock. Apple have come out and said that NFC will be locked down for at least a year.

I honestly want know what is taking so long for all these MFi controllers to come out. A big reason those aren't going hit of massive is because they going be more than Xbox and PS controllers based on the small amount that are already out. But lot of companies have announced and shown them off but no release date I wonder if Apple is to blame.
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Old 17-09-2014, 11:26
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So locked down until at least the next model of iPhone comes out ?

Useful on the 6/6+ for those UK purchasers who don't have apple pay either
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Old 17-09-2014, 11:34
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So locked down until at least the next model of iPhone comes out ?

Useful on the 6/6+ for those UK purchasers who don't have apple pay either
Yeah least till then so basically it's useless in Europe at moment hopefully they sort out Apple pay it is a good idea.
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Old 17-09-2014, 12:29
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Yeah least till then so basically it's useless in Europe at moment hopefully they sort out Apple pay it is a good idea.
Well let's hope it doesn't go the way of iTunes radio and passbook.
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Old 17-09-2014, 13:48
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Yeah least till then so basically it's useless in Europe at moment hopefully they sort out Apple pay it is a good idea.
Coming to Europe in 2015!
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Old 17-09-2014, 14:09
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Considering it wouldn't take much for the current UK infrastructure to take Apple Pay when it does arrive here as we already have contactless technology on a lot of our card terminals at our shops I can't see it being delayed in arriving here like some other services have
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Old 17-09-2014, 14:12
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There is a totally different way of looking at this instead of the knee jerk Apple bashing that is going on as usual.
If I had 500 million credit card details at risk, and want to build a reputation for those details being kept secure, I think I would want to lock down the technology that makes the whole thing work as tightly as possible. It seems quite a sensible precaution. Other applications for NFC are simply noise, there is no motivation or need, for Apple to open it up. It has already been accepted on this forum that there are no meaningful applications currently that really require NFC to be in the phone.
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Old 17-09-2014, 14:21
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There is a totally different way of looking at this instead of the knee jerk Apple bashing that is going on as usual.
If I had 500 million credit card details at risk, and want to build a reputation for those details being kept secure, I think I would want to lock down the technology that makes the whole thing work as tightly as possible. It seems quite a sensible precaution. Other applications for NFC are simply noise, there is no motivation or need, for Apple to open it up. It has already been accepted on this forum that there are no meaningful applications currently that really require NFC to be in the phone.
But by your logic nobody can create that "killer app" until apple say so ????

Its like preventing WiFi because sometimes you pass card data. Your argument falls over as the one use of NFC that they will allow is the only one that gives access to those 500 million credit cards !!!!

No NFC sharing of photos/videos
No NFC tag use
No NFC reader apps
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Old 17-09-2014, 14:26
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No NFC sharing of photos/videos
No NFC tag use
No NFC reader apps
Its actually pretty probable that some future IOS release WILL allow access to the NFC chip in the API.
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Old 17-09-2014, 14:33
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Its actually pretty probable that some future IOS release WILL allow access to the NFC chip in the API.
You'd hope so. Just seems a little odd to add hardware that only has very limited use.

I guess that's one of the differences between the "apple way" and the "android way".
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Old 17-09-2014, 14:42
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There is a totally different way of looking at this instead of the knee jerk Apple bashing that is going on as usual.
If I had 500 million credit card details at risk, and want to build a reputation for those details being kept secure, I think I would want to lock down the technology that makes the whole thing work as tightly as possible. It seems quite a sensible precaution. Other applications for NFC are simply noise, there is no motivation or need, for Apple to open it up. It has already been accepted on this forum that there are no meaningful applications currently that really require NFC to be in the phone.
Is there anything that apple will do that you wont defend?

Reminds of ...

Tim Cook: We're excited to announce....
Apple fans: We'll buy it!
Tim Cook: Let me fin...
Apple fans: We'll buy that too!

This is stupid of apple, but nothing new. Why did they even bother to announce NFC? Why not just announce apple pay? Apple pay may use NFC, but since the user cant use it, for anything else, its not a feature of the phone. I guess they were just trying to tick as many boxes as they could. Its what happens when you are playing catchup.

So the iphone 6 and Nexus 4 comparison is wrong, as the iphone 6 doesnt have NFC...hopefully iphone 8 might.
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Old 17-09-2014, 14:51
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There is a totally different way of looking at this instead of the knee jerk Apple bashing that is going on as usual.
If I had 500 million credit card details at risk, and want to build a reputation for those details being kept secure, I think I would want to lock down the technology that makes the whole thing work as tightly as possible. It seems quite a sensible precaution. Other applications for NFC are simply noise, there is no motivation or need, for Apple to open it up. It has already been accepted on this forum that there are no meaningful applications currently that really require NFC to be in the phone.
Oh come now!!!

What a daft way to look at it. Google wallet had no security issues and they use NFC payments a lot in the states. I used it here as well on my nexus 4.

And once again, just because YOU do not use apps for NFC does not mean they were just noise. I and many other find it invaluable.

It also was not accepted at all. There was the usual tribal rants from you cp and kid about it being pontless. That was it.

Apple are hobbling this just unlike they have hobbled Bluetooth and have done for years.

I was going to get the 6, but they can stuff right off now.
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Old 17-09-2014, 14:52
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IWhy did they even bother to announce NFC? Why not just announce apple pay? Apple pay may use NFC, but since the user cant use it, for anything else, its not a feature of the phone.
Did they???? I watched the launch and I do not recall much (if anything!!!!) being said about NFC - ApplePay WAS the main focus!
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Old 17-09-2014, 14:54
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You'd hope so. Just seems a little odd to add hardware that only has very limited use.

I guess that's one of the differences between the "apple way" and the "android way".
The Fingerprint scanner has been "closed" for a while - but it IS now in the API for IOS 8.
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Old 17-09-2014, 14:59
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Did they???? I watched the launch and I do not recall much (if anything!!!!) being said about NFC - ApplePay WAS the main focus!
I didnt watch the launch, I went to the apple site and looked at the spec sheet for the iphone6. It stated it had NFC, nothing about it being unusable and useless in the UK for sometime yet. It should have stated it was used by apply pay only.
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Old 17-09-2014, 15:27
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There is a totally different way of looking at this instead of the knee jerk Apple bashing that is going on as usual.
If I had 500 million credit card details at risk, and want to build a reputation for those details being kept secure, I think I would want to lock down the technology that makes the whole thing work as tightly as possible. It seems quite a sensible precaution. Other applications for NFC are simply noise, there is no motivation or need, for Apple to open it up. It has already been accepted on this forum that there are no meaningful applications currently that really require NFC to be in the phone.
Apple a tech giant worth Billions is really struggling to do what others have had on their phones for years. I don't buy it!

Apple are doing their usual drip feed of features
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Old 17-09-2014, 16:40
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If this is fact it really is embarrassing that people put up with this nonsense time and time again. Still i suppose to be expected punters can't be trusted with bluetooth why should they be trusted with NFC.

I guess we a re back to it being pointless anyway
Show me one quote from one person here saying NFC is pointless...
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Old 17-09-2014, 16:44
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But by your logic nobody can create that "killer app" until apple say so ????

Its like preventing WiFi because sometimes you pass card data. Your argument falls over as the one use of NFC that they will allow is the only one that gives access to those 500 million credit cards !!!!

No NFC sharing of photos/videos
No NFC tag use
No NFC reader apps
So what are the killer NFC apps on Android?

The fact is that it remains a niche feature.
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Old 17-09-2014, 16:49
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And once again, just because YOU do not use apps for NFC does not mean they were just noise. I and many other find it invaluable.

It also was not accepted at all. There was the usual tribal rants from you cp and kid about it being pontless. That was it.
"Tribal rants"? Seriously, where do you get this stuff from?

Any chance you could post one of these "tribal rants" to refresh our memories?

And no-one said it was pointless either.

It's not about how much you, me, tdenson or anyone uses it. The point is that it remains a niche feature and isn't something high on the average person's wish list of features they look for when getting a phone.
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