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We all know Google have a shotgun approach to features. They kill off more things than they keep. Apple focuses.
Apple focuses? Twentieth Anniversary Mac - Killed of after 1 year despite large discounts Pippen Ping Final Cut Pro X Power Mac G4 iPod Photo I could go on, but I'm not trying to be a smartass, just pointing out that even the most successful of companies produce products and services that the market doesn't want or need. |
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Oh, and tdenson claimed anything other than apples way for NFC was just noise. In other words pointless/rubbish. You yourself have claimed its useless. So don't sit and tell me no one has said it.
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Without wanting to be drawn in on this discussion to much as I don't really have the time to devote to it, your post did make me chuckle.
Apple focuses? Twentieth Anniversary Mac - Killed of after 1 year despite large discounts Pippen Ping Final Cut Pro X Power Mac G4 iPod Photo I could go on, but I'm not trying to be a smartass, just pointing out that even the most successful of companies produce products and services that the market doesn't want or need. |
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Of course they do, but I bet if you put Google's list alongside the above it would dwarf it.
All Googles products are aimed at 1 thing and 1 thing only. Driving people to view Google ads which is where they make their money. From Google Search to Gmail to Android and their Nexus range of phones, it is to tie people to their ads and make them money. Even Android One is not a philanthropic endeavour to bring decent affordable smartphones to the third world, its just another way of showing their ads to more people and open new revenue streams from emerging markets. Now that's being focused on a single objective! |
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I didn't say pointless, I said there are no meaningful apps. .
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.....................Other applications for NFC are simply noise, there is no motivation or need, for Apple to open it up.
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Your most certainly right, but to some extent I think you missing a small point.
All Googles products are aimed at 1 thing and 1 thing only. Driving people to view Google ads which is where they make their money. From Google Search to Gmail to Android and their Nexus range of phones, it is to tie people to their ads and make them money. Even Android One is not a philanthropic endeavour to bring decent affordable smartphones to the third world, its just another way of showing their ads to more people and open new revenue streams from emerging markets. Now that's being focused on a single objective! |
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Unlike the Samsungs of this world Apple aren't in the business of ticking feature boxes. They only support things when they provide a real user benefit. But of course you won't admit that.
I think its purely to tick a box, if you can give another explanation, I am all ears. |
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If apple arent into ticking boxes, why on their website, have they listed NFC as a feature? When it clearly isnt usable by anyone, anywhere?
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If apple arent into ticking boxes, why on their website, have they listed NFC as a feature? When it clearly isnt usable by anyone, anywhere?
I think its purely to tick a box, if you can give another explanation, I am all ears. |
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Having implemented said hardware feature it would be mad marketing if Apple didn't point out that it is a feature.
If you go to the Apple UK website, it makes no mention that NFC does nothing and won't do anything until next year at the earliest. So as far as the rest of the world without Apple Pay, NFC at this time is just a tick box feature. At least with your example of Samsung, NFC did have some uses, even if only a minority use them. |
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It's funny how Apple pay has now become a must have feature!!
in fact of all the uses of NFC payments in the wild is the one I care less about, I always have to have my debit (contactless) card so there is little point. payments through a phone doesn't mean I can leave my card at home or my wallet. I do remember some poster claiming it is just as easy to put a sticker on your phone so NFC payments are pointless. I mean who exactly gets excited about a major feature of a phone being a closed payment system, I suppose those with nothing else to be excited over. I would rather have the NFC to pair with my washing machine and speakers. |
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I mean who exactly gets excited about a major feature of a phone being a closed payment system, I suppose those with nothing else to be excited over. I would rather have the NFC to pair with my washing machine and speakers.
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I didn't say pointless, I said there are no meaningful apps. What I mean by that are apps that a significant proportion of phone users use on a regular basis. The fact that Stiggles manages to use NFC is not a representative sample. Remember Stiggles is someone who claims he has never (in living memory) seen someone not wearing a watch. I was at lunch yesterday and 5 of the 6 of us were not wearing a watch.
And because you think they are noise does not mean its a representative sample either. But you seem damn sure of it with no proof at all other than your opinion. None. See this is what you kid and cp are quite good at. Throwing your opinions about with absolutely no backing at all. All we get it "well it stands to reason" or "its obvious" but never any proof. Yet when we have an opinion its trashed with lies and hearsay. I never once said in living memory. More lies as always. But then i don't expect anything else from you these days!! Oh, and of course 5 out of 6 werent. |
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It seems you are far sadder than the people who care about ApplePay!
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You've got me.
It's a complete guess that NFC hasn't taken off in any meaningful way, and a complete guess that most people don't cite NFC as an important feature when buying a phone. It's a wild stab in the dark that most people use their phones mostly for calls, texts, photos, web browsing and playing games, and using NFC features is still a niche use. Are you actually disagreeing with that? If I said it was a pointless feature and literally no one used it, what would you say to me? The point is, you have no idea what people do. You're simply guessing. |
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They're not "struggling" to do it. They have decided to focus on one killer app.
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We all know Google have a shotgun approach to features. They kill off more things than they keep. Apple focuses.
This is gonna be good!!!
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It's funny how Apple pay has now become a must have feature!!
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Has it? According to who?
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Has it? According to who?
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I don't think you are in any position to guess or know what people do with their phones. I never edit photos on my phone, but i realise some do.
If I said it was a pointless feature and literally no one used it, what would you say to me? The point is, you have no idea what people do. You're simply guessing. here's a survey for you another survey You might be surprised that those sorts of things are the most common, and that using NFC to pair with other devices around the home seems less common. And re:BIB - for the love of God! How many times? No-one has said its pointless or that no-one uses it! I'm at a loss as to why, time and time again in these discussions, you interpret: NFC has not taken off in a meaningful / mainstream way, and remains a niche feature used by a minority. as NFC is pointless and no-one uses it. |
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Tdenson for one...
Did you say that Apple Pay was a "must have feature"? |
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Oh please stop this madness. That things like making calls, texting, surfing the net, playing games and taking photos are amongst the most common things people use their smartphones is hardly a wild stab in the dark.
here's a survey for you another survey You might be surprised that those sorts of things are the most common, and that using NFC to pair with other devices around the home seems less common. And re:BIB - for the love of God! How many times? No-one has said its pointless or that no-one uses it! I'm at a loss as to why, time and time again in these discussions, you interpret: NFC has not taken off in a meaningful / mainstream way, and remains a niche feature used by a minority. as NFC is pointless and no-one uses it. Are you blind or just trolling? Tdenson claimed all other apps for nfc other than apples attempt was noise, which is exactly the same as saying it is pointless/nonsense/silly etc etc. So did anyone still not say it? Did we all not have a debate earlier this year with you claiming it was a niche product that no ones uses with utterly no proof of this at all, yet people on here told you they used it, but you and your 2 pals still wouldn't accept it Do yourself a favour and get a hobby. |
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Over to you tdenson....
Did you say that Apple Pay was a "must have feature"? |
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