Without wanting to be drawn in on this discussion to much as I don't really have the time to devote to it, your post did make me chuckle.

Apple focuses?

Twentieth Anniversary Mac - Killed of after 1 year despite large discounts
Pippen
Ping
Final Cut Pro X
Power Mac G4
iPod Photo


I could go on, but I'm not trying to be a smartass, just pointing out that even the most successful of companies produce products and services that the market doesn't want or need.

In case you don't understand the expression, noise means an insignificant number - not pointless. Once Apple have established eCommerce via NFC I suspect other applications will quickly become less than 1% of the total.

Of course they do, but I bet if you put Google's list alongside the above it would dwarf it.

Your most certainly right, but to some extent I think you missing a small point.

All Googles products are aimed at 1 thing and 1 thing only. Driving people to view Google ads which is where they make their money. From Google Search to Gmail to Android and their Nexus range of phones, it is to tie people to their ads and make them money.

Even Android One is not a philanthropic endeavour to bring decent affordable smartphones to the third world, its just another way of showing their ads to more people and open new revenue streams from emerging markets.

Now that's being focused on a single objective!

So strange that this sounds just like that exactly.


Even given your backtracking to Stiggles, anyway largely pointless as usual.

Every post you do is duplicate post

Going back to your list above, Final Cut X is actually a good example of focus rather than lack of focus. Apple are not afraid to abandon a software product that has a sizeable following in favour of a better implementation long term by rewriting it from scratch.

If apple arent into ticking boxes, why on their website, have they listed NFC as a feature? When it clearly isnt usable by anyone, anywhere?

I think its purely to tick a box, if you can give another explanation, I am all ears.

It's a hardware feature surely. Even ApplePay is not in IOS 8 as released yesterday AFAIK. When an IOS update for ApplePay IS released surely that would be time to expect that NFC would be added to the developers API (as the fingerprint scanner has been in IOS 8)

There is a fundamental difference between implementing a hardware feature to solve a problem, and implementing it a la Samsung to provide a tick list of hardware features for no other reason than marketing, whether those features are useful or not. Having implemented said hardware feature it would be mad marketing if Apple didn't point out that it is a feature.

I would call it bad marketing to advertise a feature that does absolutely nothing at this time, without stating that it is for future development.

If you go to the Apple UK website, it makes no mention that NFC does nothing and won't do anything until next year at the earliest.

So as far as the rest of the world without Apple Pay, NFC at this time is just a tick box feature. At least with your example of Samsung, NFC did have some uses, even if only a minority use them.

It's funny how Apple pay has now become a must have feature!!

in fact of all the uses of NFC payments in the wild is the one I care less about, I always have to have my debit (contactless) card so there is little point. payments through a phone doesn't mean I can leave my card at home or my wallet. I do remember some poster claiming it is just as easy to put a sticker on your phone so NFC payments are pointless.

I mean who exactly gets excited about a major feature of a phone being a closed payment system, I suppose those with nothing else to be excited over. I would rather have the NFC to pair with my washing machine and speakers.

It seems you are far sadder than the people who care about ApplePay!

You said they were noise. In other words pointless.

And because you think they are noise does not mean its a representative sample either. But you seem damn sure of it with no proof at all other than your opinion. None.

See this is what you kid and cp are quite good at. Throwing your opinions about with absolutely no backing at all. All we get it "well it stands to reason" or "its obvious" but never any proof.

Yet when we have an opinion its trashed with lies and hearsay.

I never once said in living memory. More lies as always. But then i don't expect anything else from you these days!!

Oh, and of course 5 out of 6 werent.

I suppose i must be based on the excitement you attach to being able to pay for something with a phone, looks like you even went to the effort to make sure it was grammatically correct too .... ApplePay. I would be far more excited if my phone could talk to my washing machine

I don't think you are in any position to guess or know what people do with their phones. I never edit photos on my phone, but i realise some do.

If I said it was a pointless feature and literally no one used it, what would you say to me?

The point is, you have no idea what people do. You're simply guessing.

And its hardly killer since it does what google wallet has done for years in the states.

Apple focuses on what? What killer feature do apple have that google/Samsung etc don't have?

This is gonna be good!!!

Has it? According to who?

Tdenson for one...

You asked me a similar question about who has dismissed NFC, to which I provided an answer. From now on try reading the threads.

Oh please stop this madness. That things like making calls, texting, surfing the net, playing games and taking photos are amongst the most common things people use their smartphones is hardly a wild stab in the dark.

here's a survey for you

another survey

You might be surprised that those sorts of things are the most common, and that using NFC to pair with other devices around the home seems less common.

And re:BIB - for the love of God! How many times? No-one has said its pointless or that no-one uses it!

I'm at a loss as to why, time and time again in these discussions, you interpret:

NFC has not taken off in a meaningful / mainstream way, and remains a niche feature used by a minority.

as

NFC is pointless and no-one uses it.

Over to you tdenson....

Did you say that Apple Pay was a "must have feature"?

The only madness comes from you every single day on here.

Are you blind or just trolling?

Tdenson claimed all other apps for nfc other than apples attempt was noise, which is exactly the same as saying it is pointless/nonsense/silly etc etc. So did anyone still not say it? Did we all not have a debate earlier this year with you claiming it was a niche product that no ones uses with utterly no proof of this at all, yet people on here told you they used it, but you and your 2 pals still wouldn't accept it

Do yourself a favour and get a hobby.

Are you incapable of reading yourself?