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I would call it bad marketing to advertise a feature that does absolutely nothing at this time, without stating that it is for future development.
If you go to the Apple UK website, it makes no mention that NFC does nothing and won't do anything until next year at the earliest. So as far as the rest of the world without Apple Pay, NFC at this time is just a tick box feature. At least with your example of Samsung, NFC did have some uses, even if only a minority use them. |
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You said they were noise. In other words pointless.
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I never once said in living memory.
What you actually said was "I cannot remember the last time I saw someone without a watch". That to me says in your living memory you haven't seen someone without a watch. While we are accusing each other of lying I will claim that is a lie - or you have a very quiet hotel !Quote:
Oh, and of course 5 out of 6 werent.
The implication of that is that I am lying. To be fair I am in Kenya at the moment and it is probably less common to own a watch, however 4 of the party were westerners.
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The only madness comes from you every single day on here.
Madness like thinking that phone calls, texting, surfing the net, playing games, taking photos are all more common uses of smartphones than using NFC in the home? Yeah - utter madness. Quote:
Are you blind or just trolling? No! Niche does not actually mean "no-one uses it".Tdenson claimed all other apps for nfc other than apples attempt was noise, which is exactly the same as saying it is pointless/nonsense/silly etc etc. So did anyone still not say it? Did we all not have a debate earlier this year with you claiming it was a niche product that no ones uses with utterly no proof of this at all, yet people on here told you they used it, but you and your 2 pals still wouldn't accept it. And tdenson has already explained what he meant by "noise" - that it isn't used that much. Which is not saying it is pointless. How about an example of an Apple product, to help get it through that none of this is about Apple (perversely, but hey.) Something like Apple TV might be considered "noise" to the company's phone and computer business. But that isn't to say is pointless, or that no-one has an Apple TV. Quote:
Do yourself a favour and get a hobby.
Maybe you should do yourself a favour and get some manners.
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Over to you tdenson....
Did you say that Apple Pay was a "must have feature"? |
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Apple focuses on what? What killer feature do apple have that google/Samsung etc don't have?
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Tdenson for one...
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Over to you tdenson....
Did you say that Apple Pay was a "must have feature"? Quote:
No, but it wouldn't surprise me if Apple are the first technology company to really make a success of contactless payment. But none of us know how it will pan out yet, we haven't even seen the product.
Either that or deliberately misquoting. |
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No, but it wouldn't surprise me if Apple are the first technology company to really make a success of contactless payment. But none of us know how it will pan out yet, we haven't even seen the product.
Imagine it at rhe barriers on the Underground. Even with your phone ready, as you'd have your Oyster or debit card ready, you have to tap it, wait for the information to be displayed, then authenticate. By that point, you've got a queue of angry people behind you. Right now, you can do it without breaking stride. |
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Just to hijack this for a minute, my feelings on it at the moment are that it's too slow. I know it isn't SLOW, but it's being measured against swiping any signing rather than other methods. It might be very slightly quicker than Chip & PIN, but it's definitely not faster than our contactless system that involves no user input at all. It's even slower if people are messing about selecting a different card.
Imagine it at rhe barriers on the Underground. Even with your phone ready, as you'd have your Oyster or debit card ready, you have to tap it, wait for the information to be displayed, then authenticate. By that point, you've got a queue of angry people behind you. Right now, you can do it without breaking stride.
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Just to hijack this for a minute, my feelings on it at the moment are that it's too slow. I know it isn't SLOW, but it's being measured against swiping any signing rather than other methods. It might be very slightly quicker than Chip & PIN, but it's definitely not faster than our contactless system that involves no user input at all. It's even slower if people are messing about selecting a different card.
Imagine it at rhe barriers on the Underground. Even with your phone ready, as you'd have your Oyster or debit card ready, you have to tap it, wait for the information to be displayed, then authenticate. By that point, you've got a queue of angry people behind you. Right now, you can do it without breaking stride. There will be pros and cons with any system - with current contactless with cards you often have to hand your card over. I know its only for a few seconds, but your card details are on display. With Apple Pay none of your information is ever on display or passed to the store, so I think has security benefits. |
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So locked down until at least the next model of iPhone comes out ?..
You don't buy an iPhone to make use of it via standard USB or USB OTG. |
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It's a hardware feature surely. Even ApplePay is not in IOS 8 as released yesterday AFAIK. When an IOS update for ApplePay IS released surely that would be time to expect that NFC would be added to the developers API (as the fingerprint scanner has been in IOS 8)
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There is a fundamental difference between implementing a hardware feature to solve a problem, and implementing it a la Samsung to provide a tick list of hardware features for no other reason than marketing, whether those features are useful or not. Having implemented said hardware feature it would be mad marketing if Apple didn't point out that it is a feature.
As I said above, nothing wrong pointing out the feature, as long as you specify that the feature is currently useless. |
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A feture that is useless at the moment...
I hope most users are playing a slow wait and see game in choosing when/if to install OS 8. The 'No going back' policy does somewhat makes it a dilemma. |
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Just to hijack this for a minute, my feelings on it at the moment are that it's too slow. I know it isn't SLOW, but it's being measured against swiping any signing rather than other methods. It might be very slightly quicker than Chip & PIN, but it's definitely not faster than our contactless system that involves no user input at all. It's even slower if people are messing about selecting a different card.
Imagine it at rhe barriers on the Underground. Even with your phone ready, as you'd have your Oyster or debit card ready, you have to tap it, wait for the information to be displayed, then authenticate. By that point, you've got a queue of angry people behind you. Right now, you can do it without breaking stride. Perhaps it might be more secure but with banks promising to cover costs of lost or stolen cards I don't see that as an issue at all. Quote:
That's a valid point - although to be fair ticket barriers are not a point of payment.
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I completely agree. Paying by phone seems like a cool idea (and I would love to try it out) but it's not quicker or easier compared to using your contactless card.
In that sense paying by phone may be more in competition with "chip and pin" cards. |
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It is a profitable idea.
Why should banks spend money giving away free cards when you can get the user to pay for it all? |
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They are now in London, you can use your contactless cards just as you would an Oyster card at the barrier. That is exactly where you would tap your phone if you were to use it to pay on the tube.
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The impression I got from Apple's launch is that they (and presumably Visa as well as it is they who plan to help bring it to Europe) are trying to move contactless payments away from the current "low value payments only" and more into the mainstream.
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Don't forget in the USA they don't really have any contactless and haven't yet seen chip & pin !! But chip & pin is due by end of 2015 and contactless is coming with the new till kit.
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Well plenty of confusing spin in this story, but I hope retailers don't start to turn NFC Paywave etc off here in the UK too.
NFC cards are extremely convenient when doing small payments. |
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Well plenty of confusing spin in this story, but I hope retailers don't start to turn NFC Paywave etc off here in the UK too.
NFC cards are extremely convenient when doing small payments. |
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What spin is confusing you?
Retailers are disabling NFC readers to shut out Apple Pay The retailers, through a joint venture formed in 2012, are building their own mobile payment app, called CurrentC. It's expected to launch next year. In the meantime, these retailers have no intention to support Apple Pay. Following Apple's announcement last month, both Wal-Mart and Best Buy confirmed to The Wall Street Journal that customers would not be able to use the system in their stores. Earlier this week, a leaked internal memo from Rite Aid revealed that the drug store chain was modifying or disabling its NFC readers, preventing access to Apple Pay (and other systems, like Google Wallet and wireless carrier-backed SoftCard, which also depend on the contact-less technology). A representative later confirmed the news to iMore. Today, CVS followed suit and shut out Apple Pay, according to reports. Both will support CurrentC on launch next year. The companies have not immediately returned requests for comment. http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/25/7...-out-apple-pay |
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Although the verge not the most reliable source, not really an abundance of actual facts there, for those willing to look.
some I imagine already readying the pitchforks. |
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Ahh you haven't heard this news!
Retailers are disabling NFC readers to shut out Apple Pay The retailers, through a joint venture formed in 2012, are building their own mobile payment app, called CurrentC. It's expected to launch next year. In the meantime, these retailers have no intention to support Apple Pay. Following Apple's announcement last month, both Wal-Mart and Best Buy confirmed to The Wall Street Journal that customers would not be able to use the system in their stores. Earlier this week, a leaked internal memo from Rite Aid revealed that the drug store chain was modifying or disabling its NFC readers, preventing access to Apple Pay (and other systems, like Google Wallet and wireless carrier-backed SoftCard, which also depend on the contact-less technology). A representative later confirmed the news to iMore. Today, CVS followed suit and shut out Apple Pay, according to reports. Both will support CurrentC on launch next year. The companies have not immediately returned requests for comment. http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/25/7...-out-apple-pay |
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That's a valid point - although to be fair ticket barriers are not a point of payment.
There will be pros and cons with any system.. How has not seen an NFC machine here in the UK and found it turned off? http://www.fierceretail.com/retailit...nfc/2014-03-26 Oh look, this story dates back to March and, if you read it, well before that too. I'd suggest it is no NFC fees via Applepay that i the problem but average NFC all round that make far too costly to accept. "It seems the retailers simply found the expense too high, according to ComputerWorld." But with the spin I bet those pitchforks are 'very competitive' by now over at the Appleinsider comments page. And on this cost thing, I'm not 100% that happy that stores choose to increase costs in order to accept Credit cards rather than just Debit cards. We pay for it in the end, NFC included. |
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For a company that produces stuff that people claim "just works" there has been a lot of problems recently .....
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18...s-and-bugs.htm Apple pay seems to "work" and then "work again"
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