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This storyline is absolutely sick.
If this was real life and a news website reported that a man set fire to his house and accidentally burned his wife as she was inside the comments would be one after the other saying what scum he was. But Eastenders think it's a good idea to make Alfie a vulnerable victim of not knowing what else to do, even if you take Kat out of it, that fire could have spread next door. I also found it annoying that people ran into the burning building, in a real fire situation running into a building that's on fire is one of the stupidest things any person could do. I totally get how it was written - he needed to rescue Kat, he needed the money but it is still setting a really bad example because what he did was horrible...and to do it to a lovable character doesn't make what he did any more right. He has messed up big time and there should be no way back for Alfie. And Eastenders should show him living with the consequences of this. |
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Arson. Not murder.
You don't murder a house. You set it on fire. |
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This storyline is absolutely sick.
If this was real life and a news website reported that a man set fire to his house and accidentally burned his wife as she was inside the comments would be one after the other saying what scum he was. But Eastenders think it's a good idea to make Alfie a vulnerable victim of not knowing what else to do, even if you take Kat out of it, that fire could have spread next door. I also found it annoying that people ran into the burning building, in a real fire situation running into a building that's on fire is one of the stupidest things any person could do. I totally get how it was written - he needed to rescue Kat, he needed the money but it is still setting a really bad example because what he did was horrible...and to do it to a lovable character doesn't make what he did any more right. He has messed up big time and there should be no way back for Alfie. And Eastenders should show him living with the consequences of this. Realistically, Alfie would either have a breakdown, attempt suicide, hand himself in/tell the truth or live with terrible guilt for the rest of his life. Mind you, when he first came in, he had spent time in prison and he did pretend to be Chris Wright so despite his cheeky chappie personality, he was always a chancer - it was Peggy's kindness and then falling for Kat that changed him but he still has that edge and that can come out in desperate situations. As for the news - sadly the majority in the world are judgemental. I heard recently that a man killed his girlfriend in mistake for an intruder - I was a bit shocked but I didn't judge him because though I didn't personally know the man, I didn't believe he meant to harm his girlfriend and after all he will have to live with this for the rest of his life. I did think though that he was an idiot for not thinking that there is another person in the house, checking all the rooms and ringing the police if he really thought there was an intruder - the most that would have happened then is him being told off for wasting police time. |
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I don't think they'd actually kill him off (although if any Producer were going to it would probably be DTC) but I can see him breaking down under the pressure of it all and perhaps the guilt causing him to walk out in a similar fashion to Frank 20 years ago.
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He wasn't thinking straight. He made a desperate, ill thought out bad decision. That doesn't mean he knew Kat was in the house.
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ok its fair to see he did honestly think everyone was out, but yeah checking first is a good thing to do.
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. Besides, if he had done that, people might start to say that the arson was thought out and calculated.
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which it was, just poorly thought out.
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I'm liking the fire story and the aftermath but cannot understand why Alfie felt so desperate and to start the fire was the only way to sort things out? Did he even think about consulting social services and the housing department, with a wife and three very young children they would probably not have been evicted and certainly would not be out on the street. His pride might not have liked it but surely this is better than the action he took?
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Arson. Not murder.
You don't murder a house. You set it on fire. |
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Why should he recover? He attempted to kill his wife
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I don't see what they can do with Alfie now especially as Mick knows he set fire to the place. It's a shame as I actually like Alfie but they have made it so there is very little that Alfie can do now. They should have just left him, Kat and the children as a happy family.
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Yes, or maybe he attempts suicide/self harms but survives or has a breakdown and goes to hospital. Is that why Frank left Pat all those years ago then? Guilt over the fire?
It all got too much and one day he just walked away in a daze and when he returned we learnt he'd spent time in an institution. |
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yes its a bad decesion to burn down the house, but he was fully aware of what he was doing, the fact he went to the lengths to hide Nana Moons picture is evidence of that.
That is why Arson carries such a heavy mandatory sentence, because even 'little' fires can get out of control so quickly and kill people even if it wasn't the initial intention. I actually think the photo could be his downfall (if he doesn't just crack and confess) - somebody will find it or he will retrieve it and somebody will want to know how it survived. It's still in the frame so he can't say Spencer or someone sent him a copy. They might have seeded it last night with Stacey being upset about losing her photos of Bradley. Though that said, nobody ever found the evidence Michael put in the bin the night of his murder - Alice's bloody clothes wasn't it? |
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I don't see what they can do with Alfie now especially as Mick knows he set fire to the place. It's a shame as I actually like Alfie but they have made it so there is very little that Alfie can do now. They should have just left him, Kat and the children as a happy family.
Kat's injuries aside, Alfie has committed a serious crime and I don't see how he can get away with it. Perhaps he killed Lucy Beale as well and is being given a massively dramatic exit storyline. To be honest, I'd accept that just to see the back of him. |
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This storyline is absolutely sick.
If this was real life and a news website reported that a man set fire to his house and accidentally burned his wife as she was inside the comments would be one after the other saying what scum he was. But Eastenders think it's a good idea to make Alfie a vulnerable victim of not knowing what else to do, even if you take Kat out of it, that fire could have spread next door. I also found it annoying that people ran into the burning building, in a real fire situation running into a building that's on fire is one of the stupidest things any person could do. I totally get how it was written - he needed to rescue Kat, he needed the money but it is still setting a really bad example because what he did was horrible...and to do it to a lovable character doesn't make what he did any more right. He has messed up big time and there should be no way back for Alfie. And Eastenders should show him living with the consequences of this. I do agree that they should show the long term effects on everybody involved but the risk is that some viewers will be complaining that it is boring within a couple of months. |
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Agree about the photo. I don't think it was put in to show forethought, but as a device to expose him. He might delay it by going back and removing the frame, moving the photo and then bringing it out one day, saying that Spencer sent him a copy. I can see Kat eventually phoning Spencer to thank him and finding out that he didn't send any copies.
When we saw Alfie looking at the photo of Nana before he started the fire on Monday, I (and someone else also mentioned it in the episode thread) thought that it was showing that he knew that she wouldn't approve of what he was doing. It could also be that knowing that, he couldn't bear to have her photo in there at the time. |
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I am slightly disappointed that they gave Alfie the arson storyline because it does conflict slightly with his loveable personality - on the other hand it is good to show that things are not black and white in life and when pushed to breaking point or in a desperate situation most people are capable of doing wrong - Ronnie's prison counsellor said sometimes good people do bad things and you have to try and separate the person from the action.
Realistically, Alfie would either have a breakdown, attempt suicide, hand himself in/tell the truth or live with terrible guilt for the rest of his life. Mind you, when he first came in, he had spent time in prison and he did pretend to be Chris Wright so despite his cheeky chappie personality, he was always a chancer - it was Peggy's kindness and then falling for Kat that changed him but he still has that edge and that can come out in desperate situations. As for the news - sadly the majority in the world are judgemental. I heard recently that a man killed his girlfriend in mistake for an intruder - I was a bit shocked but I didn't judge him because though I didn't personally know the man, I didn't believe he meant to harm his girlfriend and after all he will have to live with this for the rest of his life. I did think though that he was an idiot for not thinking that there is another person in the house, checking all the rooms and ringing the police if he really thought there was an intruder - the most that would have happened then is him being told off for wasting police time. As I say, I try not to be judgemental and whilst not excusing it (arson is a stupid, dangerous act under any circumstances) I do tend to assume that there must be more to these news stories of people setting their own houses on fire with families in it. I have a slightly different view on the killing your girlfriend thinking it was an intruder. The most obvious recent case was Pistorias and my view on that was given the 'intruder' was locked in another room, why didn't he just get as far away as possible and wait for the Police. He may not have known it was his girlfriend but he knew someone was in there, someone who might have broken into his home but was,kt an immediate threat as they were locked in another room. So, by firing several bullets into it he knew was probably killing somebody. But, he might have been scared, not thinking straight and SA has very different attitudes to guns and dealing with intruders in your home. |
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Agree about the photo. I don't think it was put in to show forethought, but as a device to expose him. He might delay it by going back and removing the frame, moving the photo and then bringing it out one day, saying that Spencer sent him a copy. I can see Kat eventually phoning Spencer to thank him and finding out that he didn't send any copies.
When we saw Alfie looking at the photo of Nana before he started the fire on Monday, I (and someone else also mentioned it in the episode thread) thought that it was showing that he knew that she wouldn't approve of what he was doing. It could also be that knowing that, he couldn't bear to have her photo in there at the time. I'm sure it will trip him up though and can see it being Stacey that works it out. |
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Time for that ham Shane Ritchie to go and never return
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If Phil, Ben, Stacey, Ronnie, Janine, and Ian can recover I'm sure Alfie will
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Another day and half assed murderer Alfie is still walking the streets. I fear that he will strike again soon and you'll all be sorry you didn't listen to me.
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I don't see how Kat can ever forgive him. There are four kids living in that house and as proven he did not know for sure it was empty.
I also feel Dot is a bit of a forgotten victim in this. An elderly woman has been forced to leave her home because of him. What if Dot had been in there and the fire had spread? Arson is a very dangerous thing. |
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Another day and half assed murderer Alfie is still walking the streets. I fear that he will strike again soon and you'll all be sorry you didn't listen to me.
You make him sound like Jack The Ripper! ![]() ![]() ![]() Strike again? What? Another match? I'm more than a match for Alfie Moon! ![]() ![]() We could call him Alfie The Striker, mystery arsonist of Walford! |
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If Alfie and Kat are staying then this storyline will have to be swept under the rug like Stacey killing Archie. Somewhere down the line Alfie will be outed and a few months later everyone will have forgiven and forgotten. It really is sensationalised drama just for the sake of it. Can anyone really see Kat walking around with burns on her face for the rest of her days?
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I read somewhere that alfie dies soon. Maybe he kills himself if it's true. I prefer darker story lines with alfie and if the rest of the story is done well it could be quite emotional.
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