Okay so we see as soon as The Doctor's was unconscious and Clara and Orson was getting slightly sketchy with the entity trying to get into the Tardis. I've conjured up an interesting theory that may possible be the answer and the surprise to the end of Clara's reign.

So Clara sticks her hands into the telepathic modulator on the console, (unsure of the name so i'll call it that for now) However, for some reason during her established timeline, it takes her back to The Doctor's childhood, now understandably she was there during (TDOTD) but that was about 900 years later before The War Doctor was about to commit genocide.

Now i have a funny feeling, since Clara jumped into the Doctor's time stream during The Name of The Doctor, maybe she created a version of herself on Gallifrey who ended up becoming the mother of The Doctor? hence the Barn scene during listen, i know it doesn't add up as much with little evidence to suggest but if you do think about it, it's always about Clara since series 7 began, she's been written into the past 51 years of Doctor Who's history as always being there. But my evidence suggests... the Half Human comment from the Master in the TV Movie could come to play in Moffat's mind for this season. (Unsure about the Missy thing but let's leave that out for now)

If you think back to The End of Time...The Woman who was watching over Wilf could have been Clara? Again (The Doctor's Mum) The Woman could have been Clara in the Bells of St John when she got The Doctor's number.

could be over thinking things but if you put the pieces together, it could be! :P

(Clara knows The Doctor's name, she re-remembered it as soon as she was at Trenzalor in The Name of'', if she knew his name, she could have called The Doctor's name as the name she read in the book.) Again speculation but it's a interesting idea :P

Orson "Time Travel runs in the family" Referring to Clara... i'll let that be a mystery puzzle piece.

Interesting but unlikely given how much flirting the Doctor & Clara did last season. I'm not sure the BBC would be that thrilled at an incest storyline being added to a popular family TV show.

Nothing wrong with the idea as a sort of fan-fiction and it slides in nicely with the infamous "half-human on my mother's side" line from the 1996 movie - but anything that gives the Doctor a human mother or basically makes any direct statements about his parentage and origins will be pretty much universally rejected by "fans". It's so unlikely as to be almost impossible that Moffat would take such a step for that reason.

How about the possibility that mention of "other kids inside" suggests that he may have had foster or adoptive parents? If so, he may regard himself as "half-human" in honour of the woman he THINKS OF as "mum".

One other thing to keep in mind.

The unidentified woman in the barn was trying to force/persuade the youngster to go into the military rather than becoming a timelord and Clara was there to advise otherwise. That unseen woman was more in keeping with the Great Intelligence - trying to make another small change to the Doctor's life to change his timestream with Clara there to undo the potential damage.

Is it possible that the Clara-clones didn't manage to undo ALL of the damage done by the GI - which is why this Doctor regenerated with a oddly passionate hatred of soldiers - and the Doctor took Clara to Gallifrey cos he knew that incident needed to be "undone"? HIs "psychic interface" may have been a way to spot the times when Clara-clones didn't clear up the GI's mess.

River and Rory?

I never understand why fans look so deeply at the story and create theories, I see it as follows:

The first time Clara links with the TARDIS she is distracted by Danny resulting in them visiting his childhood as they are linked in her future timeline.

The second time Clara is distracted by the unconcious Doctor resulting in visiting him as a child as the Doctor is present in her past/present timeline.

As an irtating animal on an advert would say, simples.

I never understand why people feel the need to make that flaming comment all over a DOCTOR WHO FORUM!

A lot of people LIKE theorising or guessing at possible outcomes - or simply saying "Wouldn't it be fun if..." - it's one of the main reasons for using a forum like this.

It hurts no-one and it's getting extremely tedious to have a vocal minority constantly posting sneering comments about other DS members who are simply using the forums for their intended purpose. If some people are too far up their own backsides to ignore "theory" posts or too stupid to spot one like this when the title actually starts with the word "Theory", they should stay in the abuse thread so as not to have their gentle sensibilities offended by those of us who want to talk about Doctor Who.

Theoretically, none of the Clara/GI splinters ever happened as the Doctor didn't die on Trenzalore and, therefore, there was no Grave for Clara to throw herself into.

They may live on in her and the Doctor's memory but they should no longer have any actual effect on the timeline which I would imagine ought to have rolled all of that back when the outcome of the battle of Trenzalore was altered.

I prefer to think of it that way, anyway. It's a nice friendly reset putting the past back to the way we saw it in the seasons leading up to 7.

Actually thought exactly the same thing - that timestream didn't/doesn't exist anymore etc - BUT...

1> The nature of that timestream - the Doctor's "footprint on the universe" is so "alien" and "timelordy" that it can reasonably be argued that normal laws of cause and effect don't apply (and face it, they almost never do in DW anyway - it's part of the fun). It's like Rory the human "remembering" things done by a plastic robot just because it looked like him - made no sense whatsoever but just accepted within the show.

2> For all we know, the Doctor will die ten million years and five hundred regens from now - on Trenzalore. All we were told was that he will die there and that was his timestream - no-one said "This timestream starts at 1 and ends at 11". It's entirely possible that what we saw was the one and only timestream and we just assumed it was created on 11's death.

Overall, I reckon you're right - but it's not definite and the possible explanations make it easy enough to say "fair enough".

Yes they did happen and this will be referred back to in the finale I believe. Moffat also confirmed they happened (there would have been a reference to it in Deep Breath).

Either the Doctor still ends up buried on Trenzalore eventually anyway or they're using a theory of changing time streams which means changes don't cascade to the past - that past events still happened regardless of how future events unfold.

My impression is that they're trying this series to make Clara more of an 'ordinary' real woman - emphasising her job, her romance, etc. The repeated emphasis on school and Danny seems to me like Moffat wants Clara to be seen more like Rose, Martha and Donna were, and get her away as much as possible from the very complicated 'impossible girl' story. And Moffat's talked about Danny as 'competition' for the Doctor, ie the two men fighting over the attention of the one woman, and of Danny, unlike Micky and Rory, being a credible leading man competitor to the Doctor for Clara. So I'd be surprised. I'll probably be wrong now! I can see what you're saying and I wouldn't rule anything out, and speculating is all part of the fun, but I also think sometimes Moffat's series can be disappointing if you are expecting something too clever as an ending.

I don't like the idea that the Grave represented a different battle of Trenzalore to the one we think. That wasn't the way things were presented and I think it would be too much of a stretch.

However, the idea that changes to the timestream only ripple forwards and don't effect the past makes sense. It would be interesting to see if that rule has been followed consistently up till now but I do like the idea and it would certainly explain how the effects of Clara and the GI's splinterings could still have happened even though there is no grave now.

Having said that, since the GI jumping into the timestream happened in the future of the events on Trenzalore that event would still not have happened now even though the effects of it in the past are still present. So I would expect the GI to still be alive at this point

That could be true, but Clara seemed convinced that there were only Eleven Doctors. Suggests to me that it was Eleven that was meant to die, and the Time Lords changed it.

Then again, she had never met John Hurt, or if she did, she didn't remember him, so I guess it's still possible that she met future Doctors.

It would be a bit coincidental if there was this big fight on Trenzalore that almost caused his final death that had nothing to do with the big fight on Trenzalore much later that actually caused his final death!

They also made some heavy hints that it was impossible to change the event of his death without inteference from outside the Universe and, low and behold, there was interference from outside the Universe!

Anything's possible but I think the idea that the Grave on Trenzalore was not originally caused by the events of Day of the Doctor until Clara changed things seems a bit too unlikely for me.

Or maybe she learned not to reveal "spoilers" to the Doctor about his future.

My own opinion is that you're totally right but I try to avoid any absolutes where DW is concerned cos there are no genuine "facts" when it comes to a fantasy show like this.

Completely my view also. No matter what anyone says I will continue to believe this, as for me it's the only way that whole storyline makes sense. I will only believe otherwise (that it did happen) if it's stated in the show, but that for me will mean that the impossible storyline goes back to making no sense.


That's what I think also. The 'impossible girl' storyline was a mess, and did absolutely nothing to endear the fan's to Clara (and in some cases achieved the opposite I imagine). That is why, apart from a little nickname, there has been no mention of any of that stuff when there were clear opportunities to do so if they had wanted, but obviously Moffat has realised what a mistake that storyline was and is trying to 'sweep it under the rug' so to speak in an attempt to get another chance at making Clara a normal companion whom we may actually have a chance to like.

Please no!! apart from the fact that I hope never to hear the impossible girl storyline referenced again, we have already seen her be the most important woman in the doctors life twice now (name of the doctor, listen), we don't need to give Moffat any encouragement to do it more. If he thinks people like that kind of thing, before long he'll reveal she was secretly the creator of gallifrey and mother to every gallifreyean or something.

this is my interpretation too.
The Doctor moaned and distracted Clara, so they visited his childhood this time.

I can't understand why people are trying to read so much into it.

That's just your theory - and you don't need to "understand" other DS members' motives, you just have to respect their right to post without constant criticism from people who are no better qualified or informed than anyone else here.