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Clara still hasnt told the Doctor about Danny pink, why?
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garbage456
20-09-2014
Why would she not tell him,

Do you think the Doctor knows Danny Pink and that is the reason the writers are refusing to let the Doctor know?
James Frederick
20-09-2014
Maybe she wants to keep her private life private.

Maybe she want to see how things are going before she starts talking about him so far they have been on 1 maybe 2 dates it's not like they are in a deep long-term and committed relationship
Sophie ~Oohie~
20-09-2014
Originally Posted by garbage456:
“Why would she not tell him,

Do you think the Doctor knows Danny Pink and that is the reason the writers are refusing to let the Doctor know?”

I'd guess either because the Doctor doesn't like soldiers, or because their relationship might make Clara leave.
sandydune
20-09-2014
Did The Doctor somehow get Danny and Clara together for a reason? Clara might think it was fate, their relationship, romantic, truthful and meaning something. Clara would be so angry with The Doctor, to find out it was just a plan of The Doctor's, would really need big explaining and so many apologies.
rwebster
20-09-2014
1. He doesn't like soldiers.
2. It's none of his business!
VegaNexos
20-09-2014
I think it's a metaphor for different planes of existence that coexist but don't interact.
amos_brearley
20-09-2014
I also think she's now passed the point of confessing about the whole Danny/Rupert/Orson thing without seeming slightly duplicitous. She missed her chance to 'fess up and if I were the Doctor (if he doesn't already know), then I'd be annoyed when I found out. I can't see how he won't instantly remember the face and name and realise Clara has been fibbing. Maybe the real reason he comes to Coal Hill is to snoop rather than to save the world next week?
James Frederick
20-09-2014
I think he already knows anyway and he knows a lot more about it than she does including how they end up .

If Danny and Clara are Orson's Great grandparents I think The Doctor already is well aware of that
MinkytheDog
20-09-2014
Iz it coz e iz black?
MinkytheDog
20-09-2014
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I think he already knows anyway and he knows a lot more about it than she does including how they end up .

If Danny and Clara are Orson's Great grandparents I think The Doctor already is well aware of that”

The little scanner tool that the Doctor had today (used to allow the pretty lass to turn into the silver fox) - was that meant to be some sort of "DNA scanner"?
TheSilentFez
20-09-2014
So there can be some conflict when they finally meet (ie. next week)
Flopflips
20-09-2014
The emotional relationship between the two of them must be pretty complex - especially after the regeneration. I mean it's gone from flirtatious to fatherly.

So it might be guilt, might be confusion, she might feel awkward telling him, she might think he'd stop visiting and be all by himself again. Especially as she lied about knowing Pink as a child and stuff. Would make it harder to admit later on or rectify.

It might be as simple as it's still early in the relationship and she wants to see if it progresses past the second date before telling him. I usually keep quiet about my dating activities until I know which direction, if any, its going.

Could be anything really.
PJ68
20-09-2014
isn't it because she doesn't want him to find out she meddled in danny pink's timeline in 'listen'..? when they met orson pink she denied knowing who he was (a relative of danny, the man who she had just started seeing) because she didn't want the doctor to put 2 and 2 together
PJ68
20-09-2014
Originally Posted by PJ68:
“isn't it because she doesn't want him to find out she meddled in danny pink's timeline in 'listen'..? when they met orson pink she denied knowing who he was (a relative of danny, the man who she had just started seeing) because she didn't want the doctor to put 2 and 2 together”

that when they met danny as a child (rupert) they influenced his future, the whole 'dan the soldier man' thing. the doctor doesn't realise that's what happened - i assume clara doesn't want him to find out.
James Frederick
20-09-2014
I agree with the lying bit she told one white lie then had to tell a bigger one to cover that up then tell a even bigger one to cover that up so that may be part of it.
CD93
20-09-2014
DANNY: I thought you might have a rule against soldiers.
CLARA: No. No, not at all.
....

CLARA: Not me.
sandydune
20-09-2014
Did Clara lie to The Doctor or was the time The Doctor talking about in the future? Timey Wimey is involved and that makes complications.
MinkytheDog
20-09-2014
The Doctor knew she was on a date with "someone" and instead of walking in - or even going to the window of the restaurant to take a peek - he sent "Orson" in to fetch her - dressed in a space-suit and helmet. Why?

The Doctor dropped her off to "patch it up" with her date and then - for some completely unstated reason - he just happens to go at meet - and fetch - "Orson Pink". When he has Orson and Clara in the Tardis, he finally says that he found Orson cos Clara "Left a trace on the Tardis telepathic circuits".

So here the Doctor - being lead to a man who ISN'T BORN YET by following a trace left by a girl - WHO CAN'T POSSIBLY BE CONNECTED TO HIM except by bllod OR TIME TRAVEL - and both Orson (the world's first TIME TRAVELLER) and Clara - THE IMPOSSIBLE GIRL - claim to have no connection...

...and the Doctor is not even slightly curious - doesn't maybe do a bit of background checking - at the very least - check to see if there IS any unknown family connection?

This is the same Doctor in the same Tardis with the same computer that had complete records and family trees of some people who dies on Mars - and he didn't think to check the world's first TIME TRAVELLER - one of the most important people in the history of the human race?

Really - people actually believe that's likely?

So why did he send Orson instead of just walking in or looking through the window?

Given that the Doctor is a nosey git and we now KNOW that he has some feelings/opinions about her date, the only logical reason for that is that he didn't NEED to look inside the diner - he already KNEW who she was seeing.

He's also had access to her entire timeline - uploaded it to the Tardis - and we just saw her memory had been wiped so he could have done or said anything and she''ll never know (and why didn't the Doctor ask the now friendly creature to restore all of their memories as it had with him?)

It's almost laughable to suggest that the Doctor doesn't know who Clara is seeing just cos she hasn't told him - is he really supposed to be that dull and stupid now?
claire2281
20-09-2014
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“It's almost laughable to suggest that the Doctor doesn't know who Clara is seeing just cos she hasn't told him - is he really supposed to be that dull and stupid now?”

You're right of course but I strongly suspect that hasn't actually cross the minds of those writing the show. If anything the explanation will be he was so obsessed with being right that he completely ignored the matter.

Honestly, I think the reason Clara hasn't told him is that Moffat decided her dilemma this series would be her home life vs her TARDIS life and so it fits to keep the two separate. Also I suspect Danny will eventually be proven to be up to something and they consequently wanted to keep him away from the Doctor for plot reasons for a while - it suits them that he only finds out about him next week. Moffat does have a tendency to place plot above characters.
MinkytheDog
20-09-2014
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“You're right of course but I strongly suspect that hasn't actually cross the minds of those writing the show. If anything the explanation will be he was so obsessed with being right that he completely ignored the matter.

Honestly, I think the reason Clara hasn't told him is that Moffat decided her dilemma this series would be her home life vs her TARDIS life and so it fits to keep the two separate. Also I suspect Danny will eventually be proven to be up to something and they consequently wanted to keep him away from the Doctor for plot reasons for a while - it suits them that he only finds out about him next week. Moffat does have a tendency to place plot above characters.”

I thinks it's far simpler - he knows that Clara is going to die as a result of her connection to Danny. He can't prevent them being together because of a fixed-point (which - very noticeably - was not described as such) - Orson Pink is the World's first time traveller - that MUST BE a fixed-point - and he can't risk a repeat of "Waters of Mars" by doing anything to change that future.

I'm seeing clues throughout - he's repeatedly messing around with memory - including hers. Even Vastra had a dig inside Clara's head (and it maybe her that tipped-off the Doctor). He's now got access to her memories and we've seen that he knows a way to wipe memories. And there's a repeating theme that he won't do anything to "prevent a necessary death".

I think it's possibgle that he is trying to make tiny changes to Clara's timeline in order to find a way to save her without affecting the fixed-point of Orson being born.

We had the scene where Clara effectively talked the young Doctor out of becoming a soldier. Given the way Moffat works, I'd suggest that we also had a scene of the Doctor doing the exact opposite. I reckon Danny was originally ONLY a maths teacher in a previous, unseen timeline and the whole set-up in Listen was about the Doctor getting him to become a soldier - perhaps so he'd learn to fight and protect Clara (but that failed and the timeline repaired itself - Danny got PTSD and still became a teacher).

I reckon the "heist" was entirely about rescuing and befriending the only two creatures in existence that can possibly read the full memories of "the impossible girl".

In effect - the Doctor is trying to find a way to save her without affecting the fixed point.

One curious thing for me - Orson looked blank when Clara called him "Danny" - like it was a name he'd never heard. That suggests that Danny isn't around in Orson's lifetime either. (not to mention that the Doctor was also present and said nothing - no reaction whatsoever.)

Like I said - simple stuff
doctor blue box
20-09-2014
I don't normally defend Clara, but I think in real life, if you only just met someone and only recently had a first date, you wouldn't go making a big deal about it to your family or close friends until you knew it was going somewhere. Makes sense to me. In listen she didn't know for sure that orson had any relation to her, and probably didn't want to probe and know too much about her own future in terms of whether she was actually going to be with danny long term or not, let alone getting the doctor filled in on the details of the confusing and very personal situation she was facing.
Flopflips
20-09-2014
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
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It's almost laughable to suggest that the Doctor doesn't know who Clara is seeing just cos she hasn't told him - is he really supposed to be that dull and stupid now?”

Mmmhmmm....

I am a bit, yes and no about that comment.

He can formulate great plans, and account for every detail, if he finds it challenging or interesting in some fashion, but tends to forget trivial things or stop paying attention if he thinks it unimportant. Or boring. Or too simple.

I mean he went fishing during the Time Key episodes and left Romana(sp?) in charge of the key's retrieval at one point, as he was bored with the quest. And the amount of times he didn't even notice she was missing was staggering too. I was getting sick of the lines:-

K-9 where is Romona?
She's fallen down a well, master.
Down a well?! Well, why didn't you tell me?
I tried Master, but.....

It was almost every arc. So he could be pretty absent minded too, when involved in something, specially during the Tom Baker years. And he hardly ever listened to a word his companions said until it was too late.

At that time the Doctor was more excited about where he found Orson, the family connection was almost trivial to him, an unimportant fact, as he was focused on finding the monster that had perfected hiding. And he thought this was the perfect place to do so.

So if he cared, I'd say sure he would have found everything else and known everything, On the other if he wasn't interested than no, he wouldn't have. I personally lean towards the latter option, but its just opinion and how I read the character.
MinkytheDog
20-09-2014
Originally Posted by Flopflips:
“He can formulate great plans, and account for every detail, if he finds it challenging or interesting in some fashion, but tends to forget trivial things or stop paying attention if he thinks it unimportant. Or boring. Or too simple. ”

Except that he appears to have met and very much interacted with him as a child and then appears to have met his "grandson" who is a fellow time-traveller - so it's not a simple as it only being about some bloke that Clara's going out for dinner with.

Consider that the "children's home in Gloucester" doesn't exist in the real world (I know - I line there) - and they deliberately chose a MASSIVE building to represent that home (real children's home are NOT huge places like that - I know cos I grew up in them)

Basically, the DW team made a big point of showing that it was anything BUT a coincidence that they went straight to Rupert Pink?

And don't forget that the Doctor went and found Orson whilst Clara was having dinner with Danny - clearly very "interested" in that family "all of a sudden".

And the best part where Orson was concerned...

Orson was trapped - crashed timeship and can't get home. The Doctor had already rescued him - so why the hell did he need to get Clara out of the restaurant and take her to that same crashed timeship where -supposedly - all three of them would be in danger? That's like taking Caecilius BACK to Pompeii for a giggle.

The Doctor NEEDED to have Clara and Orson in that setting.
Flopflips
21-09-2014
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“Except that he appears to have met and very much interacted with him as a child and then appears to have met his "grandson" who is a fellow time-traveller - so it's not a simple as it only being about some bloke that Clara's going out for dinner with.”

I think you may have hit the nail on the head with that comment, although not in the sense you mean. If he did meet Danny, maybe he will put it all together and how they are related, and how Clara is involved due to the resemblance. Maybe you will get a confused Orson? out of him when they do finally meet. And there will be an argument about lying or trust or something.

But as for the doctor having a big masterplan about needing them to meet and stuff, no - I don't see it. And I hope not. If does then, I am out.
The_Judge_
21-09-2014
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Maybe she wants to keep her private life private.

Maybe she want to see how things are going before she starts talking about him so far they have been on 1 maybe 2 dates it's not like they are in a deep long-term and committed relationship”

Originally Posted by rwebster:
“1. He doesn't like soldiers.
2. It's none of his business!”

Originally Posted by VegaNexos:
“I think it's a metaphor for different planes of existence that coexist but don't interact.”

Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“I don't normally defend Clara, but I think in real life, if you only just met someone and only recently had a first date, you wouldn't go making a big deal about it to your family or close friends until you knew it was going somewhere. Makes sense to me. In listen she didn't know for sure that orson had any relation to her, and probably didn't want to probe and know too much about her own future in terms of whether she was actually going to be with danny long term or not, let alone getting the doctor filled in on the details of the confusing and very personal situation she was facing.”

Yes to above
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