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Old 21-09-2014, 15:56
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In this I'm not saying that DTC isn't doing a good job (well I personally think he's doing an OK job) but I think both of them have one problem OK BK has a lot more than one. But basically they both want to do loads of issue led storylines which is good but it becomes way too much and not enough time for all the storylines as well as that BK sometimes give these to the rubbish characters and DTC is constantly giving quite a few storylines to the Carter's and BK to the Roscoe's OK the Carters are a lot better. But it can become annoying.

BK

Vincent asylum seeking
Maxine and Patrick DV
John Paul's rape
Blessing's transgender
Katy's death
Darren's health issues
Cindy's bi-polar
Jason's body dysmorphia
Drug addiction

DTC

Grievance
Linda's rape
Tina's abuse
Alfie's money issues
Mick's water phobia
Carol's cancer
Patrick's stroke
Davids heart attack
Kat's burns
Johnny coming out
Linda accepting him
Drugs

There's probably more for both soaps but I think they need to calm down with the issue led storylines and focus on a few. With some other storylines going on big and small.
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Old 21-09-2014, 16:23
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In this I'm not saying that DTC isn't doing a good job (well I personally think he's doing an OK job) but I think both of them have one problem OK BK has a lot more than one. But basically they both want to do loads of issue led storylines which is good but it becomes way too much and not enough time for all the storylines as well as that BK sometimes give these to the rubbish characters and DTC is constantly giving quite a few storylines to the Carter's and BK to the Roscoe's OK the Carters are a lot better. But it can become annoying.

BK

Vincent asylum seeking
Maxine and Patrick DV
John Paul's rape
Blessing's transgender
Katy's death
Darren's health issues
Cindy's bi-polar
Jason's body dysmorphia
Drug addiction

DTC

Grievance
Linda's rape
Tina's abuse
Alfie's money issues
Mick's water phobia
Carol's cancer
Patrick's stroke
Davids heart attack
Kat's burns
Johnny coming out
Linda accepting him
Drugs

There's probably more for both soaps but I think they need to calm down with the issue led storylines and focus on a few. With some other storylines going on big and small.
I don't watch hollyoaks but I disagree that Eastenders is being issue led by storylines. For instance Johnny's coming out storyline was the first part of him coming to terms with his sexuality, we have seen him grow through going to gay pride and having his first sexual encounter. It's been entwined with Johnny being a sensitive person who hid when Sharon was attacked but then ultimately ran into a burning building as he doesn't want to be considered a coward. His confidence as a young man is growing and this will no doubt continue when he inevitably starts dating Ben.

As for Mick, I think it's great that they showed someone with a phobia, we all have them and it is a part of his character and it's helping to define him.

As for the drugs, it wasn't really issue led, we don't know much about Lucy taking the coccaine yet. With Babe, Tina and Carol it was introduced to affect both families but the drugs itself wasn't a big deal.

They do actually have to have some story lines.
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Old 21-09-2014, 16:31
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I don't watch hollyoaks but I disagree that Eastenders is being issue led by storylines. For instance Johnny's coming out storyline was the first part of him coming to terms with his sexuality, we have seen him grow through going to gay pride and having his first sexual encounter. It's been entwined with Johnny being a sensitive person who hid when Sharon was attacked but then ultimately ran into a burning building as he doesn't want to be considered a coward. His confidence as a young man is growing and this will no doubt continue when he inevitably starts dating Ben.

As for Mick, I think it's great that they showed someone with a phobia, we all have them and it is a part of his character and it's helping to define him.

As for the drugs, it wasn't really issue led, we don't know much about Lucy taking the coccaine yet. With Babe, Tina and Carol it was introduced to affect both families but the drugs itself wasn't a big deal.

They do actually have to have some story lines.
I'm not saying that's it's being led by storylines as there clearly is at times character driven but there are too many issue led storylines with some big storylines being made smaller and minor e.g. David having a heart attack, Patrick's stroke these were just plot devices. And I think there shouldn't be so many issue led storylines.
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Old 21-09-2014, 16:47
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What you've just listed isn't a bunch of "issues" that are too many but basically the entire story collection of soap operas.
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Old 21-09-2014, 16:56
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Grazemytvaddict, are you able to give me a few examples of storylines that you wouldn't class as issue-based? Because it strikes me that, for EE in particular, you're kind of reaching a little bit for what would constitute an 'issue' based storyline. Most of these are just dramatic storylines that happen to reflect real life situations. Which is kind of what soaps are all about.
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Old 21-09-2014, 17:08
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Grazemytvaddict, are you able to give me a few examples of storylines that you wouldn't class as issue-based? Because it strikes me that, for EE in particular, you're kind of reaching a little bit for what would constitute an 'issue' based storyline. Most of these are just dramatic storylines that happen to reflect real life situations. Which is kind of what soaps are all about.
Shirley being Mick's mother
Nick Cotton returning
Who killed Lucy
Ronnie murdering Carl
Carl and him blackmailing everyone

From hollyoaks
Sienna/Nancy/Darren
Browning's murder
Frindsay
The blast
Sienna's daughter

Of course there's lots more

What I mean is some of these EastEnders storylines could have actually been quite big as they are some serious issues but overshadowed because there are so many and I don't think you should put so many big storylines into one year.
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Old 21-09-2014, 17:10
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Hollyoaks might do issues but apart from Blessing's storyline, which I really hope wins some awads, they have all been crap and in some cases offensive and insulting to the intelligence of viewers.
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Old 21-09-2014, 17:20
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Hollyoaks might do issues but apart from Blessing's storyline, which I really hope wins some awads, they have all been crap and in some cases offensive and insulting to the intelligence of viewers.
I agree with this except I thought Maxine and Patrick was very good sissy mapart from the aftermath which was dreadful and hopefully something might happen now with it.
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Old 21-09-2014, 17:21
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Shirley being Mick's mother
Nick Cotton returning
Who killed Lucy
Ronnie murdering Carl
Carl and him blackmailing everyone

From hollyoaks
Sienna/Nancy/Darren
Browning's murder
Frindsay
The blast
Sienna's daughter

Of course there's lots more

What I mean is some of these EastEnders storylines could have actually been quite big as they are some serious issues but overshadowed because there are so many and I don't think you should put so many big storylines into one year.
Ah, so basically love triangles, family secrets and violence are non-issue based storylines. LOL. I would get so bored if this was all EE did.

Personally I couldn't give a damn about whether a storyline is 'issue based' or not, provided the characterisation is consistent and it fits with the general flow of the show. Admittedly, HO struggles with this quite a lot, but EE really doesn't suffer for it at all. The 'issue' based stuff you've listed, like Patrick's stroke, Johnny coming out, and Alfie's money issues leading up to Kat's injuries, have been some of the most powerful stories this year.
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Old 21-09-2014, 17:54
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Issue lead SL's are great if done well
Santer did SL's filled with issues, yet they were great IMO
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Old 21-09-2014, 18:06
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There's a big difference between issue-led story-lines (Vincent's story in HO) and stories that contain elements that are RL issues (Aflie turning to arson because of his money worries). Vincent's story was purely about that issue: he was a gay refugee that could face prosecution or worse in his home country because of his sexual orientation. Alfie has begun with money issues, but that story will ultimately become one of Kat learning to rely on her inner confidence and her wits/intelligence instead of her looks and overt sexuality.

By your logic, Graze, every story ever told is in issue story, in which case it's nothing to do with BK vs DTC, but soaps as a whole.
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Old 21-09-2014, 18:28
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Very annoying! At the start of the year it was just right for the first few months! Every family got their fair share, and the Carter's weren't massively involved, they were a nice size and used just the right amount, and weren't involved in everyone's business!

Don't get me wrong, I like the Carter's and I enjoy them, but they are far too big! And way too overused! I really like mick and linda and shirley, I also like Stan and I never thought I'd say this but I also actually like nancy now! I just don't like the way they've dressed her, but then again that's my opinion. The rest of the carters are dull and boring, johnny needs a storyline or a gay relationship of he should just go, lee is a dreadful character played by the worst actor in the show! Tina and tosh are a disgrace, I don't know what dtc is thinking there, I prefer tina by herself! The carters were much better when they first came into it and I wish it could go back to that!

The fact they've been heavily overused this year and have appeared in almost every single episode is bad enough, but for them to also get the Christmas storyline is a joke! It best be a good episode with other things going on! But I don't like how the Carter's have been involved with every storyline! The fire/the kerb crawling/butchers/Jackson's money problems/who killed lucy/fire/sharon and phil... What we've got coming up with Linda's rape sounds good but that's only because it's linda and she's a brilliant creation by dtc! If it was tosh I wouldn't be bothered! The thing is dtc is a good producer and the best since santer, he's done some great things and some great episodes! The problem is most of the characters he has introduced have failed! Not many people care about Donna, Les and Pam, aleks, tosh and tina, lee, etc... However, he has introduced some really good characters like linda, mick, charlie... I just don't enjoy the carters as much now because they're way too big and I hope they decrease in size soon, and we can have some old characters back like charlie slater, zainab etc... Ones who the fans love! And I hope the carters don't get involved in everyone else's business!

The characters I enjoy watching the most are ones pre 2010, Cora, charlie and a few carters, so I think the carters would be a lot better if they decrease in size and wasn't overused, I'm not moaning about the show before anyone attacks my comment, I'm just saying my opinions on the Carter's are very mixed...

It does appear that the carters are getting 50% of screen time, whilst the other characters are sharing the other 50%, I find this wrong as there's much better characters and actors than the Carter's!
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Old 21-09-2014, 18:37
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Also agree with the issue part, it's nice for them to cover it, but they concentrate more on that rather than actual good entertaining storylines, then again a lot of dtc' episodes have been entertaining. I do think there's a bit too much going on though, too many things at once, I think they could do with trimming the cast down a bit, there's over 10 characters they could get rid of, and the audience wouldn't loose sleep over it... (Abi, dexter, lee, tosh, dean to name a few)
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Old 22-09-2014, 16:46
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Also agree with the issue part, it's nice for them to cover it, but they concentrate more on that rather than actual good entertaining storylines, then again a lot of dtc' episodes have been entertaining. I do think there's a bit too much going on though, too many things at once, I think they could do with trimming the cast down a bit, there's over 10 characters they could get rid of, and the audience wouldn't loose sleep over it... (Abi, dexter, lee, tosh, dean to name a few)
Weren't you complaining the other day that not enough has been happening?

Make your mind up, the show can't win.
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