[tdenson]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Seems they did not use China for launch day so likely 2015 will see China added to the launch day list to make that '11 million record'. The main supply source there is 'smuggled via Hong Kong' but lower demand ended in a glut.

http://nytimes.com/2014/09/29/techno...-begging-.html

"“This year the scalpers’ losses will be big,” he said."

You do so like your conspiracy theories don't you. I guess you believe also that man didn't land on the moon.
The real answer is that there are very strong rumours coming from Chinese sources that the iPhone 6 is about get the certification required to be able to sell it. But you stick with your ludicrous suggestion that Apple would hold the sale to their number 2 market back in order to provide some useful statistic in 12 months time. Laughable !

[IslandNiles]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Seems they did not use China for launch day so likely 2015 will see China added to the launch day list to make that '11 million record'. The main supply source there is 'smuggled via Hong Kong' but lower demand ended in a glut.

http://nytimes.com/2014/09/29/techno...-begging-.html

"“This year the scalpers’ losses will be big,” he said."

Seems another one of your conspiracy theories has fallen flat. The iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus will launch in China next month. http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/30/...na-october-17/

[alanwarwic]

17 days to go. So the black market has nearly weeks business in total.

I also recall reading a forum with buyers saying the exact same thing about touts making a loss. That was one of the reasons why that grabbed my attention.
Maybe that was Australia ?

Also, there were claims early September that the 6 Plus near non appearance was down to a screen issue.

[charliesays]

I'm not sure what the original sales figures show aside from the fact that Apple continue to have higher sales per launch, in a massively expanded smartphone market.

Rather than being impressive it's just a logical (almost) linear progression. The higher the user base the more early adopters you will have per launch.

We could put it like this;

2010 - iPhone 4 -- 1.7 Million units in 3 days
2010 - Q3 smartphone sales - 75 million

2014 - iPhone 6/6+ - 10 Million units in 3 days
2014 - Q2 smartphone sales - 300 million

In this context anything less would have been a disappointment. Samsung (and others) launch a myriad of phones per year, so comparisons with the S4, S5 etc are pointless.

[alanwarwic]

Well, for such a sellout on the Plus , CPW strangely have stock of the 16GB, 64GB and 128GB.


Just maybe even locally instore too, so you can be part of that 10 million figure if you want one.

[jonmorris]

10 million units shipped, so no doubt quite a few unsold as yet.

Given stores are drip fed supplies to maintain demand (some phone stores will have very few units delivered per day, or even get deliveries weekly but have to hold them back to simulate daily deliveries) then I am not sure how 10 million units could have been sold even if there really were 10 million phones sold from people pre-ordering or queuing up.

However, before I'm accused yet again of being anti-Apple let me stress that whatever Apple has sold to date, it's bloody impressive and nobody else can come remotely close. Sure, Samsung will issue a press release claiming a new benchmark has been smashed when the Note 4 is released next week, but it won't be as impressive (and also based on devices shipped).

[Steve_runner]

Also in stock online at the Apple store. Ordered 2 6s a week ago, delivery due in a couple of days

[alanwarwic]

It could be a fairly decent real total considering there was so much pent up demand for a bigger iPhone.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

It could be a fairly decent real total considering there was so much pent up demand for a bigger iPhone.

Is this the post you will use to cover the others where you claim sales are not real sales

It is very easy to see stock levels using on-line stock checkers. I'm still waiting for someone to explain the business logic behind 'drip feeding' and 'holding back stock' and how on earth that benefits a business in any way.

Anyhow, as I've always said, if people want to ignore reported sales (and who could blame them after Samsung has to admit in court to making them up), then the best measure is to wait for the financial results. I believe Apple will have initial sales (1 week) included in this quarters results, so that should give an indication.

To take another measure, I already know more people with an iphones 6 than the top end Samsungs/HTC/LG. Although I know alot of people with cheaper android devices.

[jonmorris]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

I'm still waiting for someone to explain the business logic behind 'drip feeding' and 'holding back stock' and how on earth that benefits a business in any way.

I am sure someone will take the time, but for now can you just believe it's the way companies like Apple, Samsung, Nintendo and many other big brands choose to do things.

Ever seen the South Park episode where Eric Cartman gets a theme park and won't let anyone in? That's not far off how companies control stock to keep up the hysteria and ensure continued sales.

It's very simple, but clever. You might be unsure whether to buy something, but when things are in high demand and always out of stock, you'll eventually cave and get your order in to avoid days/weeks/months/years of disappointment.

After all, if you don't do it now, you might never get one.

A friend who worked at an O2 store found it very hard to tell customers that they had no more phones when someone wanted to buy one desperately when she knew they had more but stock that couldn't be 'released' until the following day.

Bear in mind it only works when you have something people want! But controlling supply has other benefits, like being able to control prices and prevent discounting/price wars once there's a lot of stock in the market.

[BKM]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

I am sure someone will take the time, but for now can you just believe it's the way companies like Apple, Samsung, Nintendo and many other big brands choose to do things.

Actually no!! I would think it very MUCH more likely - given the number of countries they are launching into in a short time - that EVERY iPhone 6 yet manufactured has been shipped and that great efforts will be in to make lots more for the Christmas period!

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

I am sure someone will take the time, but for now can you just believe it's the way companies like Apple, Samsung, Nintendo and many other big brands choose to do things.

Ever seen the South Park episode where Eric Cartman gets a theme park and won't let anyone in? That's not far off how companies control stock to keep up the hysteria and ensure continued sales.

It's very simple, but clever. You might be unsure whether to buy something, but when things are in high demand and always out of stock, you'll eventually cave and get your order in to avoid days/weeks/months/years of disappointment.

After all, if you don't do it now, you might never get one.

A friend who worked at an O2 store found it very hard to tell customers that they had no more phones when someone wanted to buy one desperately when she knew they had more but stock that couldn't be 'released' until the following day.

Bear in mind it only works when you have something people want! But controlling supply has other benefits, like being able to control prices and prevent discounting/price wars once there's a lot of stock in the market.

I think you should read your own reply which gives very good reasons why holding stock back would make no sense.

[jonner101]

Never heard such a load of nonsense.

Apple want to be able to sell an iPhone to anybody that wants to buy one.

The trick is to Gauge the demand and match the supply to demand and there is no business case for under supplying which will lose sales or oversupplying like the original surface RT which loses a bundle of money.

[jonmorris]

Take it up with Apple then. If you think it's nonsense, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. It won't change how things are.

As I said, it doesn't work for everyone and obviously can't work forever.

The Nintendo Wii and then the Balance board are other examples of a successful control of supply, while Disney is also great at it.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

Take it up with Apple then. If you think it's nonsense, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. It won't change how things are.

As I said, it doesn't work for everyone and obviously can't work forever.

The Nintendo Wii and then the Balance board are other examples of a successful control of supply, while Disney is also great at it.

There is nothing to take up with Apple as there is no evidence of supply control.

AW has claimed it many itime a, but he just makes things up

[swordman]

Never fails to amaze me the refusal to accept any reality in these threads, do people honestly think they started making the iphone 6 a week or two before release. 10 million is nowhere near the number they could have made if wanted, especially as demand will be higher between now and xmas than at any other time.

All part of the Halo effect generated for the iphone, "Apple will try its best to meet demand but we can't promise", yeah right. There is a 'supply shortage' scare story for every single iphone release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJyMEkb_8to

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by swordman

Never fails to amaze me the refusal to accept any reality in these threads, do people honestly think they started making the iphone 6 a week or two before release. 10 million is nowhere near the number they could have made if wanted, especially as demand will be higher between now and xmas than at any other time.

All part of the Halo effect generated for the iphone, "Apple will try its best to meet demand but we can't promise", yeah right. There is a 'supply shortage' scare story for every single iphone release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJyMEkb_8to

Oh, there are plenty of stories.

Maybe you would like to have a go at explaining the business logic?

[jabbamk1]

Shipped doesn't = sold.

But then again the sell through of the iPhone 6 has been very healthy. I'd say at least an 80-90% sell through easily.

[swordman]

Yes it creates desire and demand, Apple knowing that customers will not get frustrated and go elsewhere. The desire and then success of getting an iphone is in many ways a big of a drug as the actual phone.

You wont see ferrari making plenty of cars, people will wait.

Do you honestly believe that Apple could not have made sufficient phones for everyone who wants one right now? seriously?

[IslandNiles]

People on this very forum have suggested that Apple has such restrictive contracts with the networks that they're forced to take way more stock than they need. This supposedly allows Apple to claim record sales figures whilst concealing the fact that a lot of these sales are in fact unsold handsets sitting in the networks' warehouses.

But wait! As well as making the networks take TOO MUCH stock, they also restrict how many units networks can sell per day.

[jonner101]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

Take it up with Apple then. If you think it's nonsense, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. It won't change how things are.

As I said, it doesn't work for everyone and obviously can't work forever.

The Nintendo Wii and then the Balance board are other examples of a successful control of supply, while Disney is also great at it.

You're just proving my point is correct.

The wii balance board was an example of a company getting the supply wrong. Do you think Nintendo wanted the wii fit game to fall out of the charts because of stock issues. The fact that they couldn't meet the demand = loss of potential profit.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wii.../1100-6191630/

As I say all these companies want to sell to whoever will buy the product, but you have to access the demand correctly.

[jonmorris]

It's quite easy to force operators to take X number of phones over a certain period, but still make them drip feed them. The iPhone isn't being discontinued anytime soon. The operators also have to pay towards the advertising too, hence their logos appearing at the end of the ads.

It's so simple because this is what does happen. And everyone wins, unless we are to believe that someone sees a phone or iPad is out of stock and buys an Android phone or tablet instead. Ain't gonna happen is it?

When you believe there's little to no chance of getting something if you hesitate, you're more inclined to pre order or queue up in a tent outside a shop two weeks before a release.

And when you do get it, everyone else will be 'Wow, you got one. They're so hard to get'.

[jonner101]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

It's quite easy to force operators to take X number of phones over a certain period, but still make them drip feed them. The iPhone isn't being discontinued anytime soon. The operators also have to pay towards the advertising too, hence their logos appearing at the end of the ads.

It's so simple because this is what does happen. And everyone wins, unless we are to believe that someone sees a phone or iPad is out of stock and buys an Android phone or tablet instead. Ain't gonna happen is it?

When you believe there's little to no chance of getting something if you hesitate, you're more inclined to pre order or queue up in a tent outside a shop two weeks before a release.

And when you do get it, everyone else will be 'Wow, you got one. They're so hard to get'.

Can't see this to be true. A customer goes into a shop asking for an iPhone but none in stock, but they can get a Galaxy S5 no problem. I would imagine there are quite a few people who could be talked into getting the S5 instead if the salesman did a slick demo for the customer. The store wins as they get a sale but in this case Apple loses.

Besides the reality is the new iPhones are not hard to get hold of. You have been easily able to reserve one online and pickup the next day for a while now.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by swordman

Yes it creates desire and demand, Apple knowing that customers will not get frustrated and go elsewhere. The desire and then success of getting an iphone is in many ways a big of a drug as the actual phone.

You wont see ferrari making plenty of cars, people will wait.

Do you honestly believe that Apple could not have made sufficient phones for everyone who wants one right now? seriously?

Hang on, they don't need to create the demand. It is already there.

So you are claiming a company having created the demand will then on purpose not meet it

Brilliant business logic, it's a miracle Apple have managed to make so much money using your business skills

[swordman]

Of course you do, that is how the demand stays strong, apple know what sells the phone desire, need, belief, marketing all feed into the halo effect. The actual phone itself is secondary for most buyers as is clearly evidenced. Apple don't want to sell limitless amounts, they want to sell the maximum amount at maximum profit which is a fine balancing act.

But let's see I will try and provide some 'facts' as we can all cast doubt over everything, you know what 'facts' are yes.

http://bgr.com/2013/11/27/iphone-5s-production-foxconn/

Apple produced 500,000 5s's daily not long after its launch and that may be just from one factory? So that is 10 days to produce 10 million. Is it your contention (even if not producing quite on that scale quite yet) that Apple only started producing the 6 2 weeks before its launch date?

Also if they chose they could clearly produce that number a day, as they did it with the 5s, which was at the time difficult to produce.

It clearly makes no sense to hang on to this belief that demand is outstripping supply without that being allowed to happen.