Apple sell in 10 million iPhone 6 &amp; 6 Plus units

Interesting 'fact' from an 'unnamed source'.

So 3 months after it's release someone has guessed that they make 500,000 iPhone 5s a day.

Let me guess another factless based denial of anything you find not to your liking

The story is of no relevance to this discussion other than the facts it contains. Any reason you can think of why this would be made up? Other than it claims facts you dislike.

calico_pie · 03-10-2014, 22:20

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10 million units shipped, so no doubt quite a few unsold as yet.

Given stores are drip fed supplies to maintain demand (some phone stores will have very few units delivered per day, or even get deliveries weekly but have to hold them back to simulate daily deliveries) then I am not sure how 10 million units could have been sold even if there really were 10 million phones sold from people pre-ordering or queuing up.

However, before I'm accused yet again of being anti-Apple let me stress that whatever Apple has sold to date, it's bloody impressive and nobody else can come remotely close. Sure, Samsung will issue a press release claiming a new benchmark has been smashed when the Note 4 is released next week, but it won't be as impressive (and also based on devices shipped).

Well, apparently the 5C was the biggest selling phone in he UK last month, a year after it was released, and just before new iPhones that a lot of people would have been holding out for were released.

Given that we know (because we've been told as often as we have) the 5C is an unmitigated disaster and flop, it doesn't say much for the competition.

Either that, or reports of how big a flop it was were greatly exaggerated. Unlikely as that sounds.

calico_pie · 03-10-2014, 22:26

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Never fails to amaze me the refusal to accept any reality in these threads

You and me both.

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do people honestly think they started making the iphone 6 a week or two before release. 10 million is nowhere near the number they could have made if wanted, especially as demand will be higher between now and xmas than at any other time.

Why? Are you saying it only takes one to to weeks to manufacture 10m phones?

Maybe they should have made 100m, and then you could have gone on a bout what a failure it had been because 80% + hadn't been sold yet.

jabbamk1 · 03-10-2014, 22:30

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

Well, apparently the 5C was the biggest selling phone in he UK last month, a year after it was released, and just before new iPhones that a lot of people would have been holding out for were released.

Given that we know (because we've been told as often as we have) the 5C is an unmitigated disaster and flop, it doesn't say much for the competition.

Either that, or reports of how big a flop it was were greatly exaggerated. Unlikely as that sounds.

It was a flop from September 2013 through to the end of the year.

It sold through less than 10% of its initial shipment on day 1 and around 20-30% sell through in the first month. So yeh, very bad. Now thanks to price drops, promotions and the new SKU it's selling through very well. The iPhone 5S on the other hand maintained a healthy sell through of over ~85% throughout 2013.

IslandNiles · 03-10-2014, 22:35

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It was a flop from September 2013 through to the end of the year.

It sold through less than 10% of its initial shipment on day 1 and around 20/30% sell through in the first month. So yeh, very bad. Now thanks to price drops, promotions and the new SKU it's selling through very well.

Sounds about right. I hardly saw any at all in the first few months, but they seem very common now.

kidspud · 03-10-2014, 22:43

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Let me guess another factless based denial of anything you find not to your liking

The story is of no relevance to this discussion other than the facts it contains. Any reason you can think of why this would be made up? Other than it claims facts you dislike.

I'm sorry,which part of my post are you now saying is not 'fact' based on the article you posted?

Show me which part I have got wrong.

swordman · 03-10-2014, 22:45

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You and me both.
Why? Are you saying it only takes one to to weeks to manufacture 10m phones?

Maybe they should have made 100m, and then you could have gone on a bout what a failure it had been because 80% + hadn't been sold yet.

Seriously what are you talking about?

To answer your question yes I am, why?

swordman · 03-10-2014, 22:49

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I'm sorry,which part of my post are you now saying is not 'fact' based on the article you posted?

Show me which part I have got wrong.

Again what?

I pointed out that as usual you claim anything that does not fit with your claims to be fabricated with no alternative proposition offered. Gets to be quite a theme by some posters.

So I wonder why you doubt the veracity of the article.

jonmorris · 03-10-2014, 22:50

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Given that we know (because we've been told as often as we have) the 5C is an unmitigated disaster and flop, it doesn't say much for the competition.

Either that, or reports of how big a flop it was were greatly exaggerated. Unlikely as that sounds.

I think it was a flop, but have to say that I've seen a fair few in the wild now. Presumably this is down to a lowering of the price, and networks also pushing it more.

Given the networks contribute to advertising costs, and we saw lots of 5C ads in the summer, it seems to have paid off one way or another.

Edit: I see others have said the same thing. Wow, people who obviously work in the industry too and know how things work, rather than just making assumptions!

jabbamk1 · 03-10-2014, 22:56

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I think it was a flop, but have to say that I've seen a fair few in the wild now. Presumably this is down to a lowering of the price, and networks also pushing it more.

Given the networks contribute to advertising costs, and we saw lots of 5C ads in the summer, it seems to have paid off one way or another.

The bit in bold is spot on.

When you have 10's of thousand of iPhone 5C's sitting on store shelves you really need to finds way to sell them and a lot of networks were telling staff to push the iPhone 5C as the definitive alternative to the iPhone 5S. Accompanied with a lower price point early on, networks were sure enough able to sell through a lot more iPhone 5C's.

So yeh, the pro active selling approach from networks really helped the 5C as well.

It's funny though, the iPhone 5C was deemed a failure in it's first few months, and it was compared to the other iPhone launches. Yet it still sold enough to be a top 5 phone. Even flagships such as the HTC One and LG G2 couldn't come close. Just Apple over shipped right at the beginning. The HTC One sold in ~6.0m units and the LG G2 sold in around ~4m units in around 6 months yet the iPhone 5C sold in more than double in it's first 3 months.

calico_pie · 03-10-2014, 22:58

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I think it was a flop, but have to say that I've seen a fair few in the wild now. Presumably this is down to a lowering of the price, and networks also pushing it more.

Given the networks contribute to advertising costs, and we saw lots of 5C ads in the summer, it seems to have paid off one way or another.

Edit: I see others have said the same thing. Wow, people who obviously work in the industry too and know how things work, rather than just making assumptions!

I wasn't entirely convinced it had been that big a flop. But I sure did read a lot about what an abysmal failure it had been.

What you say makes a lot of sense, although my understanding was that it flopped simply because it was a piece of crap phone.

But having said that, I thought Apple used mind control and so could make people by any old crap.

To be honest, it's almost as though a lot of this reasoning just hasn't been thought through by people, because it really doesn't seem to add up.

calico_pie · 03-10-2014, 23:03

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Seriously what are you talking about?

I'm saying I agree with you - the refusal to accept any reality in these threads never fails to amaze me either.

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To answer your question yes I am, why?

Well, that seems quite a lot to have manufactured by day one.

How many do you think they should have manufactured?

kidspud · 03-10-2014, 23:10

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Again what?

I pointed out that as usual you claim anything that does not fit with your claims to be fabricated with no alternative proposition offered. Gets to be quite a theme by some posters.

So I wonder why you doubt the veracity of the article.

You seem to have gone into one of your inability to understand phases again.

You linked to an article which quoted an unnamed source calculating, based on a number of parameters, that 500,000 iPhone 5s a day are being produced 3 months after the phone was released.

Are you disagreeing with the very article you quoted, or are you saying I've got something in the article wrong?

jonmorris · 03-10-2014, 23:11

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I wasn't entirely convinced it had been that big a flop. But I sure did read a lot about what an abysmal failure it had been.

By all accounts it was, especially from Apple's perspective. But obviously when you only have a couple/few models of phone to choose from, sales will still be bigger than any individual Android phone in the charts. Simply because there are so many Android devices to split the sales.

Now it seems that the 5c is doing well, and even though it uses older hardware, I've always liked the look and feel of it.

IslandNiles · 03-10-2014, 23:15

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By all accounts it was, especially from Apple's perspective. But obviously when you only have a couple/few models of phone to choose from, sales will still be bigger than any individual Android phone in the charts. Simply because there are so many Android devices to split the sales.

Now it seems that the 5c is doing well, and even though it uses older hardware, I've always liked the look and feel of it.

I think Apple got the launch of it wrong. As you say, it does have a nice look and feel, and the different colours set it apart from the 5s. But the price point wasn't significantly lower than the 5s, and so in my opinion they struggled to make it appeal to people. If people wanted an iPhone, they were probably willing to spend the bit extra to have the 5s, and there was also a bit of a feeling at first that having the 5c would be seen as having the cheap, poor relation, even though it was itself pretty expensive.

As the price point has lowered, the 5c has definitely become more popular.

swordman · 03-10-2014, 23:36

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You seem to have gone into one of your inability to understand phases again.

You linked to an article which quoted an unnamed source calculating, based on a number of parameters, that 500,000 iPhone 5s a day are being produced 3 months after the phone was released.

Are you disagreeing with the very article you quoted, or are you saying I've got something in the article wrong?

3 months, another of your fascinating facts again I see, most bemusing

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5s released 20 sep article posted 27 nov, that is 2 months between the two. Given as I think even you will accept the article took some time to research, write etc I estimate closer to 1 month after release not 3.

As for the rest more diversion away from reality, so unless you have some kidspud facts? I am content that apples ability to meet demand is clearly there should they chose to meet it.

swordman · 03-10-2014, 23:38

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I'm saying I agree with you - the refusal to accept any reality in these threads never fails to amaze me either.

Well, that seems quite a lot to have manufactured by day one.

How many do you think they should have manufactured?

Does it seem a lot why is that exactly?

d123 · 03-10-2014, 23:38

Even trendy young Royals have been seen with a 5c recently

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calico_pie · 03-10-2014, 23:38

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3 months, another of your fascinating facts again I see, most bemusing

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5s released 20 sep article posted 27 nov, that is 2 months between the two. Given as I think even you will accept the article took some time to research, write etc I estimate closer to 1 month after release not 3.

As for the rest more diversion away from reality, so unless you have some kidspud facts? I am content that apples ability to meet demand is clearly there should they chose to meet it.

So the writer had i covered this piece of information before they did any research in the subject?

This is going to be difficult to follow, but do carry on.

kidspud · 03-10-2014, 23:44

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3 months, another of your fascinating facts again I see, most bemusing

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5s released 20 sep article posted 27 nov, that is 2 months between the two. Given as I think even you will accept the article took some time to research, write etc I estimate closer to 1 month after release not 3.

As for the rest more diversion away from reality, so unless you have some kidspud facts? I am content that apples ability to meet demand is clearly there should they chose to meet it.

Did they start production of the 5s on the day it was released?

I will assume from your lack of response that you don't actually disagree with my conclusions from the article.

Now, having linked to the article, maybe you can explain how in any way that relates to the point you are trying to make about the iphone 6. I can only think that you believe that Apple would be at full production capacity from day one, but I'm finding it hard to believe that even you are that stupid, so what point did you think you were making?

swordman · 03-10-2014, 23:44

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So the writer had i covered this piece of information before they did any research in the subject?
This is going to be difficult to follow, but do carry on.

Sorry I simply can't be bothered to work out your frankly bizarre and pointless posts

jonmorris · 03-10-2014, 23:46

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If people wanted an iPhone, they were probably willing to spend the bit extra to have the 5s, and there was also a bit of a feeling at first that having the 5c would be seen as having the cheap, poor relation, even though it was itself pretty expensive.

I wonder what the split was between those who thought it worth paying the extra for a 5s, especially given it had better specs, and those who feared they'd be laughed at for buying the (not so) cheap iPhone.

I guess that the fact it's now selling quite well suggests it was mostly the price.

I still think it should have had the same spec as the 5s, and just had a different design to stand it apart.

swordman · 03-10-2014, 23:54

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