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Old 24-09-2014, 10:51
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Just watching mondays episode on iplayer and i'm sorry but why shouldn't Tosh have gone to the police about Alfie? And when she points out to dopey Mick that Johnny could have died in the fire he tells her that was 'low' Erm its the truth? Johnny was put at risk by something Alfie did and Mick's ok with it?

I can't stand Alfie and what he did was stupid and dangerous. He is a grown man and should take responsibilty for his actions. Once a fire has been started you never know how its's going to go, you cannot control a fire once it takes hold. In the real world people are punished for arson, its a serious crime. In the world of EE no one ever does the right thing or takes responsibility for their actions and why would Mick want to protect Alfie when he knows he is guilty? It's ridiculous. He shouldn't get away with it
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:10
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Alfie was at his wit's end about what to do to try and get some money so he could keep his family financially secure. He had already tried desperately to find a job, but failed. That idiot market boss was a right pig to him. This was his, understandably, last resort. He had exhausted all his options. I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, but I can understand why he did it though.

Edit: I can sort of understand Tosh, but I think she went about it slyly though.
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:13
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Alfie was at his wit's end about what to do to try and get some money so he could feed his family. He had already tried desperately to find a job, but failed. That idiot market boss was a right pig to him. This was his, understandably, last resort. He had exhausted all his options. I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, but I can understand why he did it though.
Sorry but no matter how desperate you get burning your own house down so you can claim on the insurance should NEVER be the answer. It should NEVER be the last resort. It's an insane thing to do.

If you're that desperate swallow your pride and take a job cleaning toilets or emptying the bins if you have to.
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:16
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Sorry but no matter how desperate you get burning your own house down so you can claim on the insurance should NEVER be the answer. It should NEVER be the last resort. It's an insane thing to do.

If you're that desperate swallow your pride and take a job cleaning toilets or emptying the bins if you have to.
I'm assuming that Alfie tried everything he could to get a job.
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:18
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I'm assuming that Alfie tried everything he could to get a job.
They are always looking for people on the bins. They have a high turnover of staff, i know cos i've done that job. 6am starts often in rain and frost, some mornings you really don't want to get out of a warm bed to do it, but hey i needed money and didn't think burning my house down was a better option.
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:23
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Well, blame the scriptwriters.
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:24
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He won't have any housing problems soon when he's living at the pleasure of Her Majesty. Attempted murder is attempted murder and he needs to be punished.
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:26
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Funny how Alfie refused the help of others because he didn't want to be a charity case and now since he's burnt down his house he's happy to have people look after his family.
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:35
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Did Alfie actually bother to look for jobs beyond...well Albert Square
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:50
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It wasn't just about finding a job, though. The guy was 6 months behind on the rent. He would have needed a big chunk of cash, quickly to either pay the rent or put a deposit down somewhere else. Getting a job - any job - wouldn't have actually solved the problem.

I'm not excusing him, just pointing that out.

The thing that I find the most farcical about the whole thing is that we're expected to believe that his insurance premiums would have been up to date!
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:52
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It wasn't just about finding a job, though. The guy was 6 months behind on the rent. He would have needed a big chunk of cash, quickly to either pay the rent or put a deposit down somewhere else. Getting a job - any job - wouldn't have actually solved the problem.

I'm not excusing him, just pointing that out.

The thing that I find the most farcical about the whole thing is that we're expected to believe that his insurance premiums would have been up to date!
Yes but help is available for managing debt and setting up payment plans etc

BIB - hehehe
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:52
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True, but maybe he should have actually tried to find a job before it got so out of hand instead of whining at Aleks the whole time.
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:57
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Alfie is a fool. He created a web of lies and left it too late to actually try and do anything about it. I do kinda feel sorry for him though.
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Old 24-09-2014, 11:58
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I do kinda feel sorry for him though.
I don't. I honestly don't
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:00
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Alfie was at his wit's end about what to do to try and get some money so he could keep his family financially secure. He had already tried desperately to find a job, but failed. That idiot market boss was a right pig to him. This was his, understandably, last resort. He had exhausted all his options. I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, but I can understand why he did it though.

Edit: I can sort of understand Tosh, but I think she went about it slyly though.
He wasnt at his wit's end....he didnt go to sign on, he called in sick falsely the day after getting his stall back, he got Tamwar to breach Aleks computer and privacy and then told Roxy about Aleks wife...you dont do that to your boss and still think you have a job, he didnt apply for any jobs outside the square or other bars in London, he failed to take help from Mick, he failed to ask for help from the square or the Slater clan or ask people to speak to Aleks on his behalf. With all the benefits for him, his wife, stacey, mo, three kids and stacey's kid they would afford a house. Stacey could have worked on the stall whilst he worked for max. He could have sold his Capri ages ago. Also he could have shown the council his mobile or home phone statement which would have proved he left a voice mail as it shows the duration of the call.

Alfie deserves prison for this. And Tosh who risks her life day in and day out in fires to help save peoples lives had every right to notify the police.

Also in the UK no mum with newborn twins and a toddler would be left on the streets, council would help Kat.
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:05
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It wasn't just about finding a job, though. The guy was 6 months behind on the rent. He would have needed a big chunk of cash, quickly to either pay the rent or put a deposit down somewhere else. Getting a job - any job - wouldn't have actually solved the problem.

I'm not excusing him, just pointing that out.

The thing that I find the most farcical about the whole thing is that we're expected to believe that his insurance premiums would have been up to date!
He spent 6 months being a pratt to Aleks and not going to find a job the month after he realised he couldnt pay that first month of rent. It would have solved the problem all those months back.
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:08
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True, but maybe he should have actually tried to find a job before it got so out of hand instead of whining at Aleks the whole time.
$aybe he should also have tried following the rules set down by the Market (getting the correct licsnce to sell food as one example) so Aleks didn't have any reason of justification for taking his pitch away from him.

Alfie had a job but lost it. Due to insisting on breaking rules and giving it the 'cheeky chappie' routine and also carrying on a personal fued with Aleks. I know Aleks joined in as Well but Alfie was equally to blame.

I do feel sorry for him, he clearly was desperate and didn't know anybody was home so attempted murder is harsh but as somebody else said, insurance fraud and arson are never the solution. Even if his house had been empty, it could have spread to the neighbours houses and killed them, not to mention the danger to Fire officers.
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:30
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$aybe he should also have tried following the rules set down by the Market (getting the correct licsnce to sell food as one example) so Aleks didn't have any reason of justification for taking his pitch away from him.

Alfie had a job but lost it. Due to insisting on breaking rules and giving it the 'cheeky chappie' routine and also carrying on a personal fued with Aleks. I know Aleks joined in as Well but Alfie was equally to blame.

I do feel sorry for him, he clearly was desperate and didn't know anybody was home so attempted murder is harsh but as somebody else said, insurance fraud and arson are never the solution. Even if his house had been empty, it could have spread to the neighbours houses and killed them, not to mention the danger to Fire officers.
Exactly. Even if you don't intend to harm anybody, starting a fire is one of the most stupid and dangerous things you can ever do and the potential to harm anybody is far too great for the risk to even be worth it.

Instead of carrying on a feud with Aleks he should have just gotten over it and attempted to find a job. Aleks had every right to take his pitch away because as you say, he flouted the rules.
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:31
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Thing I dont get it, is even with the contents payout..there wouldn't be much? The kitchen and bathroom, carpets, wall paper and decoration and light fittings, belong to the landlords and covered by the landlords contents insurance.

So they'd get a pay out on what? the kids toys, pictures, clothes off the market, a tv, ,..they dont own apple mac's, iphones or other high end expensive stuff, we saw all their stuff that half the square helped them move across. Also they'd have to provide receipts for the expensive stuff and they seemed more cash people.

I don't get what the payout money would achieve with regards to them staying in that flat.
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:31
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well Alfie is going to get
Spoiler
this xmas
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:32
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well Alfie is going to get
Spoiler
this xmas
Isn't that just a rumour?
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:36
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Isn't that just a rumour?
nope.
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:36
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Really?
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:43
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there was a script leak of xmas storyline, two people get killed off this Xmas, the source has been removed though.
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Old 24-09-2014, 12:44
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there was a script leak of xmas storyline, two people get killed off this Xmas, the source has been removed though.
Who's the other person?
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