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Old 25-09-2014, 21:35
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It's hilarious.

Philth caused them no end of grief by selling them a pub infested with Rising Damp (so much of it I expect to see Rigsby propping up the bar in the Vic).

Then Ben returns bold as brass - the murderer of Shirley's best friend.

If Mick was written in character their feet would not touch the ground as he booted them out.

And I love the fact that a convicted killer blatantly swans around Walford whilst the Carter's were treated like vermin because Mick might have slept with a prostitute.

The horror, the horror!

It's yet another example of TPTB and the 'Mitchell' effect.

Bullshit in other words.
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Old 25-09-2014, 21:51
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Phil isn't barred from the Vic because he 'is the community' and with Ben being his son he gets special dispensation. LOL
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Old 25-09-2014, 21:55
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Phil isn't barred from the Vic because he 'is the community' and with Ben being his son he gets special dispensation. LOL
It is hilarious - and TPTB expect us to take it all in our stride.

I wonder who 'got to' TPTB all those years ago?

I would love to know.
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Old 25-09-2014, 21:58
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ah come on they've done nothing to deserve barring. ben has served the sentence he was given. as much as I like mick, he should have had survey done before buying the pub
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Old 25-09-2014, 21:58
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It's hilarious.

Philth caused them no end of grief by selling them a pub infested with Rising Damp (so much of it I expect to see Rigsby propping up the bar in the Vic).

Then Ben returns bold as brass - the murderer of Shirley's best friend.

If Mick was written in character their feet would not touch the ground as he booted them out.

And I love the fact that a convicted killer blatantly swans around Walford whilst the Carter's were treated like vermin because Mick might have slept with a prostitute.

The horror, the horror!

It's yet another example of TPTB and the 'Mitchell' effect.

Bullshit in other words.

sorry what do you mean.. mick was written in character?? and his character is as a nice family man and not danny dyer playing himself as a cockney hardman.

surely you meant to say if mick was written as danny dyer playing himself their feet would not have touched the ground....

thought it was a nice touch ben apologising.

its not really a mitchell effect its the carter effect being all nice
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:03
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Phil's got a cheek. He owns the R&R and he owns a bar but he keeps shoving Ben in Shirley's face. And then we have Sharon staying the night before her wedding. Why can't she stay at Roxys for the night instead of rubbing Shirley's nose in it.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:04
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Phil's got a cheek. He owns the R&R and he owns a bar but he keeps shoving Ben in Shirley's face. And then we have Sharon staying the night before her wedding. Why can't she stay at Roxys for the night instead of rubbing Shirley's nose in it.
I love Shirley but if she is silly enough to keep sleeping with/wanting to be with phil, she'll just have to put up with it if she's that disgusted she should stay away.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:04
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ah come on they've done nothing to deserve barring. ben has served the sentence he was given. as much as I like mick, he should have had survey done before buying the pub
Voice of reason.
Besides Shirleys name is above the door she doesn't want Phil barred. Ben apologised and Mick accepted that's in character.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:06
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I was very surprised at Mick allowing Ben to drink in the Vic. Ben murdered his sisters best mate and has shown no remorse. Rather than beg Shirley for her forgiveness he physically assaulted her yesterday and Mick is ok with that it would seem?
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:07
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I don't think anyone's every stayed barred either.

Peggy used to ban all and sundry but it never stuck.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:07
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I don't think anyone's every stayed barred either.

Peggy used to ban all and sundry but it never stuck.
janine was banned every day for about 5 years
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:09
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I love Shirley but if she is silly enough to keep sleeping with/wanting to be with phil, she'll just have to put up with it if she's that disgusted she should stay away.
It's more to do with him shoving Heather's killer in her face every day than her feelings for Phil. And why should she stay away, it's her home. There are plenty of other places that Phil can take his son for a drink.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:11
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It's more to do with him shoving Heather's killer in her face every day than her feelings for Phil. And why should she stay away, it's her home. There are plenty of other places that Phil can take his son for a drink.
well she wasn't exactly much a
of a friend to Heather so I'm finding her outbursts slightly irritating at the moment.

She's always banging on about hev. pity she didn't show the same loyalty while hev was alive.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:16
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It's more to do with him shoving Heather's killer in her face every day than her feelings for Phil. And why should she stay away, it's her home. There are plenty of other places that Phil can take his son for a drink.
Of course there are.

And so what if he has served his sentence - two years for murdering someone?

I know it is realistic in our total joke of a justice system (they have only just got around to arresting that living filth Choudary today) but anyone who knew what he had done to Heather would not give Benth the time of day.

But he is a bloody Mitchell - so usual excuses are made.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:16
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I don't think anyone's every stayed barred either.

Peggy used to ban all and sundry but it never stuck.
no Max was supposedly sent to coventry and not allowed in the vic, cafe, market or anywhere but his house and that didnt last long
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:19
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well she wasn't exactly much a
of a friend to Heather so I'm finding her outbursts slightly irritating at the moment.

She's always banging on about hev. pity she didn't show the same loyalty while hev was alive.
She loved Heather even if she was harsh with her at times. She would often put herself out for her but Heather was clingy and demanding and there were times Shirley put her own needs first. Other times she would do things she absolutely hated just to please her. That doesn't mean she wanted her dead, killed in a dreadful assault by someone she loved. If Ben had been murdered do you think Phil would let his killer stroll into his pub.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:31
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She loved Heather even if she was harsh with her at times. She would often put herself out for her but Heather was clingy and demanding and there were times Shirley put her own needs first. Other times she would do things she absolutely hated just to please her. That doesn't mean she wanted her dead, killed in a dreadful assault by someone she loved. If Ben had been murdered do you think Phil would let his killer stroll into his pub.


Exactly.

Double standards by TPTB yet again when it comes to the Philth and his spawn.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:34
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Of course there are.

And so what if he has served his sentence - two years for murdering someone?

I know it is realistic in our total joke of a justice system (they have only just got around to arresting that living filth Choudary today) but anyone who knew what he had done to Heather would not give Benth the time of day.

But he is a bloody Mitchell - so usual excuses are made.
sorry keyser but the fact is having served the time he was given is relevant. also it was manslaughter. Ronnie hasn't paid for killing carl and Stacey managed to weasel her way out of killing archie. I like both stacey and Ronnie so I'm not necessarily saying it was a bad idea for tptb to do that but ben is one of the few who has somewhat paid for a crime.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:35
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She loved Heather even if she was harsh with her at times. She would often put herself out for her but Heather was clingy and demanding and there were times Shirley put her own needs first. Other times she would do things she absolutely hated just to please her. That doesn't mean she wanted her dead, killed in a dreadful assault by someone she loved. If Ben had been murdered do you think Phil would let his killer stroll into his pub.
fair point vald.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:44
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sorry keyser but the fact is having served the time he was given is relevant. also it was manslaughter. Ronnie hasn't paid for killing carl and Stacey managed to weasel her way out of killing archie. I like both stacey and Ronnie so I'm not necessarily saying it was a bad idea for tptb to do that but ben is one of the few who has somewhat paid for a crime.
I've got a lot of time for Ben, and you're right he's paid for his crime. I think Phil was a negligent father who put everybody and everything before his son...his women, booze, Jay, Crack...you name it. I hold Phil responsible for him being so messed up, although Shirley and Heather did their best to give him the love he wasn't getting from his father.

I just think that shoving him in Shirley's face (a woman he professes to love) was cruel. He and Sharon could easily have taken him to their new bar. But this is Phil.
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Old 25-09-2014, 22:53
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It's more to do with him shoving Heather's killer in her face every day than her feelings for Phil. And why should she stay away, it's her home. There are plenty of other places that Phil can take his son for a drink.
That's not the point though.

If she's silly enough to want to be with Phil then she's going to have to put up with the fact that Ben is his son.

If she was so disgusted by the Mitchell's because of what they did she'd want nothing to do with them and would bar them from the pub.
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Old 25-09-2014, 23:02
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That's not the point though.

If she's silly enough to want to be with Phil then she's going to have to put up with the fact that Ben is his son.

If she was so disgusted by the Mitchell's because of what they did she'd want nothing to do with them and would bar them from the pub.
And that's why Babe said to her that it will never work. Shirley shouldn't even be considering marrying Phil, and I think he realised that tonight. It's easier for Sharon, Heather was nothing to her....but there's no way she could live with Michelle's killer (not that she's been killed )

Maybe if Shirley had been given time she would have got used to him being around but he was straight in her face two days in a row.
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Old 25-09-2014, 23:10
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ah come on they've done nothing to deserve barring. ben has served the sentence he was given. as much as I like mick, he should have had survey done before buying the pub
This. Caveat Emptor - let the buyer beware.

Only an idiot would buy a pub with a duffle-bag full of used banknotes with no survey, no paperwork, nothing. And virtually unseen.

And all on the say-so of his sister/mum who wanted to settle scores with her ex-boyfriend.

It's a shame Mick isn't the sharpest tool in the box .....
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Old 25-09-2014, 23:26
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sorry keyser but the fact is having served the time he was given is relevant. also it was manslaughter. Ronnie hasn't paid for killing carl and Stacey managed to weasel her way out of killing archie. I like both stacey and Ronnie so I'm not necessarily saying it was a bad idea for tptb to do that but ben is one of the few who has somewhat paid for a crime.
Fair enough.

We cannot agree on everything.

I have not seen tonight's episode yet but I was very impressed with Harry on Tuesday.

It is Philth's attitude in all this that annoys me the most - but he will never change.
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Old 26-09-2014, 00:17
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It's more to do with him shoving Heather's killer in her face every day than her feelings for Phil. And why should she stay away, it's her home. There are plenty of other places that Phil can take his son for a drink.
Oh come on The only reason Shirley is bothered about Ben is because he reminds her how very badly she treated her best friend 'roll eyes'. And why would Phl be banned when all Shirley wants is to get in his boxers and to extort money from him rather than get him properly punished by the police for covering up for Ben.

All this ridiculous story line shows is how hypocritical the Carters are and as if we didn't know that already
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