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Old 26-09-2014, 01:35
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I'm not sure if the current writers are aware but Phil was not with Kathy when he and Sharon had an affair. It seemed to be implied by Phil that Kathy had good reason to hate Sharon but she really didn't. Nothing happened between them during Phil and Kathy's relationship. Phil cheated on Kathy with his ex wife Nadia and an alcoholic named Lorna. The worst Sharon did to Kathy is try to resume the affair with Phil and get shot down but I'm unsure if Kathy even knew about that Either way I can't see Kathy taking that grudge to her grave so I find it hard to believe she hated Sharon so much she bad mouthed her to a young child
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Old 26-09-2014, 02:35
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Does seem odd.

I doubt Kathy would've given Sharon a second's thought for years after.
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Old 26-09-2014, 03:03
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He didn't sleep with Nadia when he was with Kathy did he? I thought that was one night while Nadia was still married to Phil?
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Old 26-09-2014, 07:44
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I'm not sure if the current writers are aware but Phil was not with Kathy when he and Sharon had an affair. It seemed to be implied by Phil that Kathy had good reason to hate Sharon but she really didn't. Nothing happened between them during Phil and Kathy's relationship. Phil cheated on Kathy with his ex wife Nadia and an alcoholic named Lorna. The worst Sharon did to Kathy is try to resume the affair with Phil and get shot down but I'm unsure if Kathy even knew about that Either way I can't see Kathy taking that grudge to her grave so I find it hard to believe she hated Sharon so much she bad mouthed her to a young child
Indeed. Phil's affair with Sharon was over before he was ever with Kathy - he even told Kathy about it when they were in Paris (about a year before Grant found out). If I recall correctly, Kathy even confronted Sharon about it, and she assured her it was over.

Sharon did try to resume her affair with Phil later, but was knocked back. Kathy found out about this when Grant played the confession tape in the Vic. (Hence Kathy slapped Sharon and called her a slut).

It's silly that they're now trying to make us believe that Kathy 'hated' Sharon, she didn't. Kathy was not the kind of person to hold a grudge, and she forgave Sharon by the time she left the Square. And Peggy certainly didn't hate Sharon the last time they met; they parted on good terms.
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Old 26-09-2014, 08:22
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Sharon did make a pass at Phil after he'd decided to marry Kathy - basically once she knew he was moving on she wanted him again. It all kicked off again in the episodes set in France when Pat and Frank tracked pregnant Diane down. Phil did kiss her back but then stopped it and it was that which triggered Michelle and Sharon's recorded conversation.

Then of course Phil blamed Sharon for the whole original affair and Kathy took his side against Sharon as much as the rest of the family.

So, Kathy did rather hate Sharon during that time even though it was somewhat unfair as the bulk of the affair happened before Kathy was involved with Phil. But I think it was her trying it on again and the public humiliation of the tape being played at her engagement party that turned her against Sharon.
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Old 26-09-2014, 08:56
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I remember when Sharon originally came back after a stint in America, post Sharongate. And she went to see Kathy to apologise, and said to her "Mum says Hello" and Kathy response was something like "Don't bring your mum into this" because Kathy and Angie had been best friends. I'm sure Kathy and Sharon were civil by the time she left proper, and I know for definite that Peggy and Sharon were on civil if not friendly terms when she left after Dennis' death.

The writers seemed to have glossed over all of this and brought back the Peggy/ Sharon feud as a way to just have Peggy pop up in a surprise scene!

And I thought Ronnie defending Sharon was funny "She's not that bad!" when I didn't think Sharon and Ronnie got on, especially after finding out that Ronnie killed Carl and Sharon threatening her?????
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Old 26-09-2014, 09:53
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Where was it mentioned Kathy hated her?
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Old 26-09-2014, 10:04
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Where was it mentioned Kathy hated her?
Ben said something along the lines of "Mum and Gran both hated Sharon" the other day.
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Old 26-09-2014, 11:39
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Sharon went round to Phil and Kathy's flat and tried to resume the affair but he knocked her back. Kathy found out about this as Sharon mentioned it to Michelle on the Sharongate tape.

Kathy and Sharon never did resolve their differences. When she wasnt ignoring her, Kathy gave Sharon the brush off whenever she tried to apologise.
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Old 26-09-2014, 11:42
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He didn't sleep with Nadia when he was with Kathy did he? I thought that was one night while Nadia was still married to Phil?
Phil and nadia slept together on xmas day 1993 when he was courting Kathy.
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Old 26-09-2014, 11:46
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He didn't sleep with Nadia when he was with Kathy did he? I thought that was one night while Nadia was still married to Phil?
Phil and Nadia were legally married but he was actually with Kathy. Phil and Nadia had been a marriage of convenience made when Phil was in a slump after losing Sharon. He then met Kathy and wanted a divorce, the deal was Nadia would give him one once she had lived at his flat for several months to convince the authorities that it was for real so she'd be able to stay in the country. She then decided she wanted him for herself and seduced him after he'd had a falling out with Kathy - following Pete's death I think.

So yes, phil did cheat on Kathy with Nadia.
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Old 26-09-2014, 12:46
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Ben probably heard from Peggy that Kathy hated Sharon. He was only 10 when his mum died I can't imagine Kathy badmouthing Sharon to a 10 year old child and going into detail about his dad's affair with her. In the years since Kathy's death when Peggy hated her she probably mentioned to Ben that Kathy hated her as well because of the Sharongate affair. Although Sharon and Kathy never did make up I can't imagine Kathy holding and grudge she wasn't like that.
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Old 26-09-2014, 13:49
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This has always been a problem on EastEnders. In reality very few people know the actual details of the affair apart from Michelle (Sharon told her everything), and Phil and Sharon themselves who were having the affair. And it all stems from the grubby deal that the Mitchell brothers did in the aftermath of Sharongate when to save their own relationship they put all the blame on Sharon. This is the version that Peggy received the following year, and despite knowing deep down that it was a pack of lies, Ma Mitchell accepted it and continues to this day. After all these were her 'precious boys'. This is the 'Official Mitchell Version' that Ben would have grown up to know about.

After the make up between the brothers, Grant told Kathy that it was all Sharon's fault and it was convenient for Kathy to accept this if she had any chance of taking Phil back. As been said the relationship between Sharon and Kathy never recovered on screen. During the 1995 period, Kathy refused point blank to have anything to do with Sharon, despite Michelle and Pauline's pleas to see at least some sense. When Sharon left in July, Kathy said in the cafe she was glad she was gone and hopefully the Watts girl would never come back.

A couple of years later in 1997 after the ill fated trip to Paris, Kathy went to stay with Angie in America to get away from Phil, and one assumes that she must have come into contact with Sharon. But nothing was said about Sharon when Kathy came back a few weeks later. So we will never know what happened.

What I did think was funny last night in the scenes with Peggy was that she was ranting about Sharon but then raised a glass to Pat, the woman who broke up her marriage to Frank and led indirectly to her losing the Vic to Sharon the following year.
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Old 26-09-2014, 14:14
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What I did think was funny last night in the scenes with Peggy was that she was ranting about Sharon but then raised a glass to Pat, the woman who broke up her marriage to Frank and led indirectly to her losing the Vic to Sharon the following year.
That is a very, very good point!
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Old 26-09-2014, 14:29
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This has always been a problem on EastEnders. In reality very few people know the actual details of the affair apart from Michelle (Sharon told her everything), and Phil and Sharon themselves who were having the affair. And it all stems from the grubby deal that the Mitchell brothers did in the aftermath of Sharongate when to save their own relationship they put all the blame on Sharon. This is the version that Peggy received the following year, and despite knowing deep down that it was a pack of lies, Ma Mitchell accepted it and continues to this day. After all these were her 'precious boys'. This is the 'Official Mitchell Version' that Ben would have grown up to know about.

After the make up between the brothers, Grant told Kathy that it was all Sharon's fault and it was convenient for Kathy to accept this if she had any chance of taking Phil back. As been said the relationship between Sharon and Kathy never recovered on screen. During the 1995 period, Kathy refused point blank to have anything to do with Sharon, despite Michelle and Pauline's pleas to see at least some sense. When Sharon left in July, Kathy said in the cafe she was glad she was gone and hopefully the Watts girl would never come back.

A couple of years later in 1997 after the ill fated trip to Paris, Kathy went to stay with Angie in America to get away from Phil, and one assumes that she must have come into contact with Sharon. But nothing was said about Sharon when Kathy came back a few weeks later. So we will never know what happened.

What I did think was funny last night in the scenes with Peggy was that she was ranting about Sharon but then raised a glass to Pat, the woman who broke up her marriage to Frank and led indirectly to her losing the Vic to Sharon the following year.
Great post, particularly the last paragraph. I thought that was pretty clunky too.
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