US gets Artem, Val, Maks & we get... Kevin from Grimsby

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Monkseal

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“The standard primary definition of charisma (Oxford Dictionary) is 'compelling attractiveness or charm which inspires devotion in others' - I find humour and lack of vanity much more attractive and charming than fake tan, artificially whitened teeth and muscles. So apparently do others.

[sorry to be testy but while I can totally accept others don't share my tastes in men, dancing or choreography, I do resent being told I don't understand the meaning of a very basic English word]”

Well if nothing else I'm sure everyone can agree that Artem and Kevin both "inspire devotion".

Christa

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“The standard primary definition of charisma (Oxford Dictionary) is 'compelling attractiveness or charm which inspires devotion in others' - I find humour and lack of vanity much more attractive and charming than fake tan, artificially whitened teeth and muscles. So apparently do others.

[sorry to be testy but while I can totally accept others don't share my tastes in men or dancers, I do dislike being told I don't understand the meaning of a very basic English word]”

You've omitted the other (standard) key definition of charisma which means god-given talent, from the ancient Greek meaning 'grace'.

Even taking the partial definition of 'compelling attractiveness or charm' - you might find the qualities of 'humour' and 'lack of vanity' attractive - but my point stands that that does not define charisma.

Not sure where you got the fake tan and whitened teeth from...

Christa

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by The Swampster:
“Interesting you should choose that example, as the judges - and many of the people of this forum - thought that paso was their best dance. So on that basis I have to say that I hope Kevin's dancing continues to revolt you, as that seems to be when he's at his very best.”

The standards are fairly low.

I thought they were all crap, but I found the paso the most painful.

bendymixer

28-09-2014

Kevin has plenty of dance talent reaching the very top levels when competing and personally think he has been a great addition to the show would love to see some more home grown talent on SCD in future series

missfrankiecat

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Well if nothing else I'm sure everyone can agree that Artem and Kevin both "inspire devotion". ”

I feel an Olivia Newton John musical moment coming on .....

Ellie_

28-09-2014

Here's something to make the blood of Artem fans and Kevin haters boil;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EvfOymDlh0

Hahaha!

Christa

28-09-2014

I thought it was quite funny.

Not a 'fan' of anyone.

missfrankiecat

28-09-2014

http://youtu.be/V3ucBTI-f5s

How can anyone not love this?

Pet Monkey

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Christa:
“You've omitted the other (standard) key definition of charisma which means god-given talent, from the ancient Greek meaning 'grace'.

Even taking the partial definition of 'compelling attractiveness or charm' - you might find the qualities of 'humour' and 'lack of vanity' attractive - but my point stands that that does not define charisma.

Not sure where you got the fake tan and whitened teeth from...”

The point about God-given though is to do with the seemingly inexplicable nature of the talent or the appeal. 'God' in that case is another word to describe a subjective reaction that we feel but can't source. My dog is undeniably charismatic. Charming bugger. Gets away with everything. He choreographs freestyle and I keep on loving him.

Pet Monkey

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Ellie_:
“Here's something to make the blood of Artem fans and Kevin haters boil;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EvfOymDlh0

Hahaha! ”

How did I miss this?!? Thank you Ellie

Is perfect meerkat/Artem impersonation.

Skyrah

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Ellie_:
“Here's something to make the blood of Artem fans and Kevin haters boil;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EvfOymDlh0

Hahaha! ”

I love James in that, I really miss James and Artem

Oh well I have this saved in my favourites so I can watch it over and over again ♥

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=587m8z1UDbQ

Christa

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
“The point about God-given though is to do with the seemingly inexplicable nature of the talent or the appeal. 'God' in that case is another word to describe a subjective reaction that we feel but can't source. My dog is undeniably charismatic. Charming bugger. Gets away with everything. He choreographs freestyle and I keep on loving him.”

God is not another word for a 'subjective reaction'. The meaning of the ancient Greek is a gift or a favour from the Gods, in other words beyond that of other mortals.

Although applying this concept to ballroom dancing is rather falling into bathos.

Pet Monkey

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Christa:
“God is not another word for a 'subjective reaction'. The meaning of the ancient Greek is a gift or a favour from the Gods, in other words beyond that of other mortals.

Although applying this concept to ballroom dancing is rather falling into bathos.”

Bear in mind I might be (?) an atheist so for me God 'in that case' (as I said) is exactly that naming of the unknowable. Above or below or beyond comprehension -- how can we know the difference? Eh? how?

Nah, God is everywhere if s/he is anywhere. Even in the ballroom.

bendymixer

28-09-2014

love that clip - how camp does James look !!!

missfrankiecat

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“love that clip - how camp does James look !!! ”

Me too. Bear in mind that shortly after this Artem injures his shoulder and blames it on lifting ... Kara!

Ellie_

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“I love James in that, I really miss James and Artem

Oh well I have this saved in my favourites so I can watch it over and over again ♥

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=587m8z1UDbQ”

Omg that is amazing! Love how James takes it totally seriously even when Artem is cracking up.

Pet Monkey

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Ellie_:
“Omg that is amazing! Love how James takes it totally seriously even when Artem is cracking up.”

Apropos of nothing

you can see how a hostile edit could make James out to be such a shit-stirrer there... I do miss James and Artem

Liza with a Zee

28-09-2014

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=y...&v=gdUrwPAL5GM
Ooh Artem x

Liza with a Zee

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
“Apropos of nothing you can see how a hostile edit could make James out to be such a shit-stirrer there... I do miss James and Artem ”

I don't thing James is a big loss. He's kicking on, wasn't particularly good anyway. Artem is a fabulous dancer and choreographer

Pet Monkey

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Liza with a Zee:
“I don't thing James is a big loss. He's kicking on, wasn't particularly good anyway. Artem is a fabulous dancer and choreographer”

Oh, I agree that James is nowhere near as fabulous as Arty, and he maybe was (his choreography, I mean) becoming samey. But the production team missed a trick (IMO) in not trying to keep James within the SCD world with something tempting and new for him such as a big role in ITT. He'd have brought a bit of vim to the show and a lot of insider knowledge.

Mr_Eye

28-09-2014

Its a pity Artem can't choreograph proper dances really.

Christa

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
“Bear in mind I might be (?) an atheist so for me God 'in that case' (as I said) is exactly that naming of the unknowable. Above or below or beyond comprehension -- how can we know the difference? Eh? how?

Nah, God is everywhere if s/he is anywhere. Even in the ballroom. ”

I'm an atheist myself. You didn't define God in your previous post as the 'naming of the unknowable' but as a 'subjective reaction we feel but can't source'. That could be indigestion...

Pet Monkey

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Christa:
“I'm an atheist myself. You didn't define God in your previous post as the 'naming of the unknowable' but as a 'subjective reaction we feel but can't source'. That could be indigestion... ”

...or epilepsy

I'm not going to go on and on and on (mercifully) but I think our inner selves and workings are fascinating and unknowable stuff. And instinct... Or brain processes that our consciousness isn't aware of... God could well be hiding in dyspepsia

I'm not a real atheist, by the way. I'm a rebellious Catholic. Ha ha!

Christa

28-09-2014

Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
“Oh, I agree that James is nowhere near as fabulous as Arty, and he maybe was (his choreography, I mean) becoming samey. But the production team missed a trick (IMO) in not trying to keep James within the SCD world with something tempting and new for him such as a big role in ITT. He'd have brought a bit of vim to the show and a lot of insider knowledge.”

I agree with this. I can't say I terribly liked him, and I actively disliked him at the start. But he actually turned out to be a good teacher, he did good work with Cherie Lunghi, Denise. I thought James & Denise's showdance was the best showdance thus far.

SeasideLady

28-09-2014

Artem came across as a perfectionist bully - he had Kara, Fern, Holly and Natalie in tears. I did love a lot of his choreography though, but for most of the time he never seemed to make training a happy experience for his partners. From what we've seen of Kevin so far, he seems the complete opposite - Susannah loved her time with him, and Frankie seems very relaxed and to be enjoying herself.

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